There was water before the creation ?

[Starise]

Just now, Alive said:

John 1:1 (NAS20S)    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ² He was in the beginning with God. ³ All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

We have a clear account of this in Genesis. What need is there to parse or try to take apart what is not stated.

I get that it may be interesting, in a sense, for some--Lord knows, I have done the same on some points--but I fail to see what benefit there is in this particular discussion.

Maybe its just me.

:-)

I just heard a sermon on this where that pastor made a strong correlation between Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. 

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Starise said:

I just heard a sermon on this where that pastor made a strong correlation between Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. 

Yup--and with the Holy Spirit's help--it can make a great sermon.!

[teddyv]

On 6/20/2022 at 7:07 PM, R. Hartono said:

Genesis 1:1 ...and the Spirit of God hovering over the water.

1. Where did the water came from before the creation ? There are not any verse regarding the creation of water.

God suddenly divide the water without any hint as to when did He create it. Its in Genesis 1:⁶ And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

This is a reference to the primordial chaos prior to the creative acts God performs, common in many contemporary cosmologies. 

On 6/20/2022 at 7:07 PM, R. Hartono said:

2. And in the 1st day God said let there be light that made morning and evening. How can there be morning and evening before the creation of the earth ? 

Genesis 1 ³ And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. ⁴ God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. ⁵ God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

3. Further how could God create the sky to separate the water at the above and below the vault/sky on the 2nd day before the creation of the earth on the 3rd day ? 

Genesis 1 ⁶ And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” ⁷ So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. ⁸ God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

Did Moses write it wrong ? No way.

Imho Genesis 1:1 actually explains that God already created the earth and the water before the socalled 1st day by Moses. But the earth was not yet ready as it was all covered by water. Formless and void as Moses wrote it. Thats why the Spirit of God was hovering over the water.  

So at the 1st day the earth was already spinning when God created the light of the stars, spinning created morning and evening

And therefore God did not create the earth on the 3rd day as churches believe but simply separate the water  from the land.

 

The Creation Story is about God establishing the true worldview and his relation with the created earth, universe and his image-bearers. It was written for the Israelites who were, no doubt, well-versed in Egyptian lore and myth which need to be adjusted.

[JohnR7]

On 6/20/2022 at 10:07 PM, R. Hartono said:

Genesis 1:1 ...and the Spirit of God hovering over the water.

1. Where did the water came from before the creation ? There are not any verse regarding the creation of water.

Science or creation itself answers this question. A good book to read is Neil Degrasse Tyson's book on astro physic or watch the PBS program: Cosmos. Hydrogen, helium lithium, beryllium existed at creation. Oxygen came later. Water was a gas until the earth cooled 3.8 billion years ago. I personally like physics, but it may not be everyone's cup of tea. " Creation itself testifies about its Creator." Romans 1:20

Genesis 1:2 tells us: "Now the earth was formless and empty,". We also read this in Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

[R. Hartono]

On 6/28/2022 at 3:33 AM, JohnR7 said:

Genesis 1:2 tells us: "Now the earth was formless and empty,". We also read this in Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Imho that showed the earth in its primitive stage of creation.