The Rapture under attack

[Diaste]

17 hours ago, iamlamad said:

God chose John as the writer. He therefore gets credit for writing what He saw and heard. I agree, God showed John EXACTLY what He wanted John to see.

But he gets no credit for content.

17 hours ago, iamlamad said:

John did not see people taking the mark, nor did he see people being martyred. I see much of chapter 13, what comes after the 42 months, as written in a parenthesis. God showed John what would happen later on in the week with these two beasts. Of course, both of these scenarios will happen during the last half of the week, and after they begin enforcing the mark and the worship of the image. In Revelation that would be late in chapter 14 after God sends angels to warn.

No one has seen any of this, not even a similitude. It's an unprecedented time which will never happen again; and it's all prophecy.  It doesn't matter if John saw the event, it's prophesied to happen. That's enough to know it will come to pass as our Father so purposes. 

17 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I don't think so. I think some little time passes between the two. Perhaps hours, or a few days. God did not show John when each of the 5 countdowns ends, but my guess is, the 42 months of trampling will end at Armageddon. The 1260 days of witnessing will end with their death, though some might say their resurrection was also a witness. In either case, that would be very close to the 7th vial.

My thoughts are the two witnesses are in the 1st half and are killed when the beast is given authority over all; "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

That would include the two witnesses whom the beast kills at or near the midpoint when the 42 month ministry of the witnesses is over. 

 

17 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I don't know when the 1260 days of fleeing will end. The 42 months of authority of the beast will end when Jesus captures him. But that will be some unknown time after the end of the week. Therefore his 42 months will end last, which tells me it begins last, in the same order John wrote about these five countdowns. This is just my thinking. There are many things we can think about that John was not shown.

Of course there's even more overlap. If the mentions of 42 months and 1260 days do not overlap then we have 14 years of the end of the age. If we think time, times and half a time is equivalent to 1,260 days and 42 months then we have 17.5 years of the end of the age; when the duration of the end of the age is at most 7 years and some think only 3.5 years. 

There is a whole lot of overlap of times and ergo, events.

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

But he gets no credit for content.

No one has seen any of this, not even a similitude. It's an unprecedented time which will never happen again; and it's all prophecy.  It doesn't matter if John saw the event, it's prophesied to happen. That's enough to know it will come to pass as our Father so purposes. 

My thoughts are the two witnesses are in the 1st half and are killed when the beast is given authority over all; "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

That would include the two witnesses whom the beast kills at or near the midpoint when the 42 month ministry of the witnesses is over. 

 

Of course there's even more overlap. If the mentions of 42 months and 1260 days do not overlap then we have 14 years of the end of the age. If we think time, times and half a time is equivalent to 1,260 days and 42 months then we have 17.5 years of the end of the age; when the duration of the end of the age is at most 7 years and some think only 3.5 years. 

There is a whole lot of overlap of times and ergo, events.

I say it again: there IS NO overlap! The five countdowns to the end (two given in days, two given in months and one given as times) all run parallel to each other. However, they have staggered starting times. The countdown for the 42 months of trampling and the 1260 days of testifying begin first, perhaps with a day or two between them.

There is simply no way the Two Witnesses testify in the first half. They suddenly show up and begin their testimony just days before the midpoint. They show up in chapter 11, a midpoint chapter.  Can you give a scriptural reason for thinking they testify in the first half but God chose to introduce John to them just before they die?

There is a problem with John's chronology that starts in chapter 11. All is good until one read verses 11:4 through 11:13, then reads of the 7th trumpet sounding. That makes it seem as if the 7th trumpet sounds at the end of the week, when in truth, it marks the midpoint. It gets worse. The reader then gets into chapter 12 and reads of the 1260 days of fleeing and it seems that the fleeing begins at the end of the week!

This is in no way the intent of either JOhn or the Holy Spirit. John used parentheses but had no markers for them. We should read and understand Rev. 11 like this.

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

(4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.)

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Some people, to solve this chronology problem, begin a parenthesis at 10:1 and end it after chapter 14. This leaves out things that must remain in John's chronology: the five separate countdowns to the end. 

I believe what God did in the vision, once He introduces John to the Two Witnesses, is take him on a side journey (a parenthesis) down the last half of the week with the Two Witnesses only, showing John information about them. I think God does the same thing in chapter 13: after introducing John to the Beast, He then takes John on a side journey down the last half of the week with the Two beasts. That way, chapter 14 comes very soon after the rise of the Beast.

I must tell you what Jesus spoke to me when He was teaching me how to find the exact midpoint.

(Quote from one of my books)

One day as I was reading Daniel 9: 27, when my eyes and my mind got to the word “midst,” suddenly God spoke to me in what seemed like an audible voice:

“You could find that exact midpoint ‘clearly marked’ in the book of Revelation.”

I was suddenly “in the Spirit,” and could not speak, but my spirit man immediately spoke and ask “How would I find that?”

He answered, “Every time I mentioned an event that would begin at the midpoint and go to the end of the week, I always included the 3½ year period of time. When you find the mentions of the 3½ years, you will be very close to the exact midpoint.”

Then, almost as an afterthought, he concluded: “In fact, you could find the entire 70th-week ‘clearly marked.’ ”  (End of quote)

From Jesus' own words, every mention of the three and a half year period of time is for the last half of the week: "begin at the midpoint and go to the end of the week..."

This is why I strongly believe the two witnesses only show up and begin their testimony exactly where John introduces them to the reader.

In my books I wrote that there are 6 parallel paths from the midpoint to the end - with staggered beginnings:
1. The 42 months of trampling.
2. The 1260 days of witnessing.
3. The 1260 days of fleeing.
4. The 3 and 1/2 years of provision.
5. The 42 months of authority.

(All these counting down in the background.)

6. John's narrative from chapter 11 to the end of the week, while the five countdowns are counting down in the background. John never mentions the countdowns again once he started them. 

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

I'm pointing out the angel specifies the woes are because of the sounding of the trumps of the last three angels. Three woes, three angels, three trumps. The 7th trump is a woe, as it is written.

I agree with you. Perhaps our only difference is that I don't see the sounding of the trumpet in itself as a woe. It is what that trumpet allows to happen or causes to happen that is the woe.

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, iamlamad said:

There is simply no way the Two Witnesses testify in the first half. They suddenly show up and begin their testimony just days before the midpoint. They show up in chapter 11, a midpoint chapter.  Can you give a scriptural reason for thinking they testify in the first half but God chose to introduce John to them just before they die?

Yes. I can. 

From the onset we don't have an 'introduction just before they die'. All we see are the facts of the ministry of the witnesses and the end of that ministry. We see nothing about the ministry in relation to other events of known timing. 

What we do see is the same hour they were taken up there is an earthquake, a 1/10th of the city falls, people die and the rest glorify God.

So from Ch. 11 we have sketchy clues as to exactly when the two witnesses[2Ws] prophesy on earth in Jerusalem. Their ministry may coincide with with the 42 months of trampling but it's not necessary. It would be tidy and orderly and easy to grasp but I don't know if that's the case or not.

If we conclude the 1st half, 2nd half, GT and the wrath of God and the Lamb all occur inside the bounds of the last week[and we should conclude this] then the two witnesses must be in the first half of the week. I'll explain:

The wrath of God takes place in the final stages of the 2nd half and that wrath ends at the bitter end of the week. No believer, including the 2Ws, can be in the wrath of God so the 2W's ministry ends before God's wrath.

It is said of the beast in Rev 13: "Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation."

Here the beast has power over everyone but is only permitted that power for 42 months; "The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. 6And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven."

This section of Rev 13 is the midpoint of the week and it's after this grant of authority the beast has "authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation." while he also has the power to " wage war against the saints and to conquer them,".

The 2Ws testimony begins before the midpoint as they must have 42 months and they cannot be in the wrath of God, and the last half of the week is only 42 months total including GT and wrath. That's the first overlap placing the beginning of the 2Ws testimony months, or a year perhaps, before the midpoint.

But the beast has power over every person across the earth beginning at the midpoint. Right before the midpoint, some months or a year before, the 2Ws have been tormenting the earth and their enemies, enemies which must be made up of the followers of the beast as believers in Jesus Christ will recognize the 2Ws for who they are from whence they cometh.

However, if the beast kills them now, at the midpoint, then the 2Ws ministry is stopped short of the full 42 months, which they must have. One conclusion is that the 2Ws time will be throughout the GT right up to day wrath begins. Possible but then I doubt anyone will be partying for 3 days. 

If that is the case then we would have to move the death of the 2Ws to 3.5 days prior to when wrath begins. That is not possible as then all would know the day wrath starts and that is hidden from all but the Father. 

Since the 2Ws have been tormenting the earth and destroying their enemies before the beast takes power it's my opinion the beast's first act is to kill these two and give the earth and the people relief from the torment. 

And if that's true, and it is, then the 2Ws eschatological performance begins at the start of the last week and is solely a 1st half ministry. 

 

 

[Diaste]

19 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I agree with you. Perhaps our only difference is that I don't see the sounding of the trumpet in itself as a woe. It is what that trumpet allows to happen or causes to happen that is the woe.

I agree.

[truth7t7]

51 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Yes. I can. 

From the onset we don't have an 'introduction just before they die'. All we see are the facts of the ministry of the witnesses and the end of that ministry. We see nothing about the ministry in relation to other events of known timing. 

What we do see is the same hour they were taken up there is an earthquake, a 1/10th of the city falls, people die and the rest glorify God.

So from Ch. 11 we have sketchy clues as to exactly when the two witnesses[2Ws] prophesy on earth in Jerusalem. Their ministry may coincide with with the 42 months of trampling but it's not necessary. It would be tidy and orderly and easy to grasp but I don't know if that's the case or not.

If we conclude the 1st half, 2nd half, GT and the wrath of God and the Lamb all occur inside the bounds of the last week[and we should conclude this] then the two witnesses must be in the first half of the week. I'll explain:

The wrath of God takes place in the final stages of the 2nd half and that wrath ends at the bitter end of the week. No believer, including the 2Ws, can be in the wrath of God so the 2W's ministry ends before God's wrath.

It is said of the beast in Rev 13: "Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation."

Here the beast has power over everyone but is only permitted that power for 42 months; "The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. 6And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven."

This section of Rev 13 is the midpoint of the week and it's after this grant of authority the beast has "authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation." while he also has the power to " wage war against the saints and to conquer them,".

The 2Ws testimony begins before the midpoint as they must have 42 months and they cannot be in the wrath of God, and the last half of the week is only 42 months total including GT and wrath. That's the first overlap placing the beginning of the 2Ws testimony months, or a year perhaps, before the midpoint.

But the beast has power over every person across the earth beginning at the midpoint. Right before the midpoint, some months or a year before, the 2Ws have been tormenting the earth and their enemies, enemies which must be made up of the followers of the beast as believers in Jesus Christ will recognize the 2Ws for who they are from whence they cometh.

However, if the beast kills them now, at the midpoint, then the 2Ws ministry is stopped short of the full 42 months, which they must have. One conclusion is that the 2Ws time will be throughout the GT right up to day wrath begins. Possible but then I doubt anyone will be partying for 3 days. 

If that is the case then we would have to move the death of the 2Ws to 3.5 days prior to when wrath begins. That is not possible as then all would know the day wrath starts and that is hidden from all but the Father. 

Since the 2Ws have been tormenting the earth and destroying their enemies before the beast takes power it's my opinion the beast's first act is to kill these two and give the earth and the people relief from the torment. 

And if that's true, and it is, then the 2Ws eschatological performance begins at the start of the last week and is solely a 1st half ministry. 

 

 

The 42 months of the beast, and 1260 days of the two witnesses are the exact same "Parallel" time frames, you will closely note shortly after the two witnesses are raised to heaven the 7th Trump takes place in Rev 11:15 (The End) final judgment seen in Rev 11:18

Edited July 22, 2022 by truth7t7

[Diaste]

21 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The 42 months of the beast, and 1260 days of the two witnesses are the exact same "Parallel" time frames, you will closely note shortly after the two witnesses are raised to heaven the 7th Trump takes place in Rev 11:15 (The End) final judgment seen in Rev 11:18

Perhaps. But for all the reasons I listed I think not.

 Seals                                {1  2   3   4}  [ 5 ]         (6 )     7                                                 Trumps                               {[ 1 2 3 4 5 6]}          (7)                                                   Bowls                                                          / 1 2 3 4 5 6 7\  

{}: 1st Half                                                                                                                          []: 2nd Half                                                                                                                        (): Beginning of Wrath                                                                                                      /\: Wrath                                                                                                     

Somewhat like the above where the seals and trumps have a concurrence in the time period[not to each other] and are still consecutive to each other; with the bowls all poured out at the end signified by the 7th trump.

So there's no end of the age past the 7th of each. If the 2Ws ministry and the reign of the beast exactly parallel then the 2Ws would be in the wrath of Almighty God. That cannot happen. 

The beast will be active from the midpoint for 42 months, part of which wrath is visited on him and his kingdom.

"2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image."

"10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,"

The 2Ws cannot be here now as they are believers like you and I. God won't leave them in His wrath upon the beast. So the 2Ws ministry overlaps the midpoint by some months at least, before the beast is granted power.

 

[truth7t7]

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

Perhaps. But for all the reasons I listed I think not.

 Seals                                {1  2   3   4}  [ 5 ]         (6 )     7                                                 Trumps                               {[ 1 2 3 4 5 6]}          (7)                                                   Bowls                                                          / 1 2 3 4 5 6 7\  

{}: 1st Half                                                                                                                          []: 2nd Half                                                                                                                        (): Beginning of Wrath                                                                                                      /\: Wrath                                                                                                     

Somewhat like the above where the seals and trumps have a concurrence in the time period[not to each other] and are still consecutive to each other; with the bowls all poured out at the end signified by the 7th trump.

So there's no end of the age past the 7th of each. If the 2Ws ministry and the reign of the beast exactly parallel then the 2Ws would be in the wrath of Almighty God. That cannot happen. 

The beast will be active from the midpoint for 42 months, part of which wrath is visited on him and his kingdom.

"2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image."

"10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,"

The 2Ws cannot be here now as they are believers like you and I. God won't leave them in His wrath upon the beast. So the 2Ws ministry overlaps the midpoint by some months at least, before the beast is granted power.

 

I Disagree

In revelation Chapter 11 the beast overcomes and kills the two witnesses, they lay dead for 3.5 days and are raised to heaven as the 2nd woe passes after the earthquake, the 3rd woe comes in the 7th Trump (The End) Revelation 11:18 is the final judgement, it's that simple

The Beast kills the two witnesses, roughly 3-4 days later the 7th Trump (The End) Final Judgement Revelation 11:18

As previously stated, the beasts 42 months and the two witnesses 1260 days are (Parallel) time frames of the same period of 3.5 years, it's that easy

Look Below It's That Simple, The Beast And Two Witnesses Are Together To The 7th Trump (The End) Same Time Frames, It's "Amazing"!

Revelation 11:7-18KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Edited July 23, 2022 by truth7t7

[Diaste]

On 7/23/2022 at 3:06 AM, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree

In revelation Chapter 11 the beast overcomes and kills the two witnesses, they lay dead for 3.5 days and are raised to heaven as the 2nd woe passes after the earthquake, the 3rd woe comes in the 7th Trump (The End) Revelation 11:18 is the final judgement, it's that simple

The Beast kills the two witnesses, roughly 3-4 days later the 7th Trump (The End) Final Judgement Revelation 11:18

As previously stated, the beasts 42 months and the two witnesses 1260 days are (Parallel) time frames of the same period of 3.5 years, it's that easy

Look Below It's That Simple, The Beast And Two Witnesses Are Together To The 7th Trump (The End) Same Time Frames, It's "Amazing"!

 

The angel says: 

" Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound"

So the three woes are the 5th-7th trumps. Then the angel says,

"One woe is past; [and], behold, there come two woes more hereafter."

After the 5th and just before the 6th trump disaster is about to commence; a 200 million strong army led by the four angels which were bound at the Euphrates but are now loosed to slay a third of men.

So when the angel says this "The second woe is past; [and ], behold, the third woe cometh quickly." in Rev 11, it's a reference to the 6th trump and not the parenthetical in Rev 11:1-13.

It has to be thus as we know the last three trumps are woes, as it is said. Three woes, three angels, three trumps. and the woes are " by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound". That can only be the 5th, 6th and 7th trumps.

The 2Ws are not a woe and the whole of their ministry can't be placed within the timeline accurately relying on Ch. 11 alone. 

I do agree the time of the beast and the testimony of the 2Ws does coincide; in the first half. I could be wrong here but it'll take some convincing for me to see it other than this:

The beast rises to some sort of power at the beginning of the week and gets at least some nations to agree Israel should have their Temple on the Temple Mount.[I don't want to discuss the city of David location, location isn't the main factor] A treaty is signed between the beast, Israel and the nations, to build the Temple and protect Israel in the construction as no doubt radical Islam will strenuously oppose this; to the point of war.

The treaty is ultimately a pact with the devil and is an agreement with death. When the agreement is entered into by Israel is when the 2Ws will appear and begin their Ch 11 testimony.

Near the midpoint the beast is slain, revived, proclaims himself God in the Temple and kills the witnesses at the point the 1260 of the witness testimony is up. 

The second half of the week is characterized by GT and God's wrath. The witnesses cannot be in God's wrath so the 2Ws must appear within a portion of the 1st half.

Then, the time when the beast is given all authority over everyone on the earth spells doom for the beast's most strident opposition, the 2Ws, and he kills them when he is granted that power and authority. 

This puts the 2Ws firmly within the whole of the 1st half as opposition to the pact Israel made with death, from the onset of the 7 year agreement.

 

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

The angel says: 

" Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound"

So the three woes are the 5th-7th trumps. Then the angel says,

"One woe is past; [and], behold, there come two woes more hereafter."

After the 5th and just before the 6th trump disaster is about to commence; a 200 million strong army led by the four angels which were bound at the Euphrates but are now loosed to slay a third of men.

So when the angel says this "The second woe is past; [and ], behold, the third woe cometh quickly." in Rev 11, it's a reference to the 6th trump and not the parenthetical in Rev 11:1-13.

It has to be thus as we know the last three trumps are woes, as it is said. Three woes, three angels, three trumps. and the woes are " by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound". That can only be the 5th, 6th and 7th trumps.

The 2Ws are not a woe and the whole of their ministry can't be placed within the timeline accurately relying on Ch. 11 alone. 

I do agree the time of the beast and the testimony of the 2Ws does coincide; in the first half. I could be wrong here but it'll take some convincing for me to see it other than this:

The beast rises to some sort of power at the beginning of the week and gets at least some nations to agree Israel should have their Temple on the Temple Mount.[I don't want to discuss the city of David location, location isn't the main factor] A treaty is signed between the beast, Israel and the nations, to build the Temple and protect Israel in the construction as no doubt radical Islam will strenuously oppose this; to the point of war.

The treaty is ultimately a pact with the devil and is an agreement with death. When the agreement is entered into by Israel is when the 2Ws will appear and begin their Ch 11 testimony.

Near the midpoint the beast is slain, revived, proclaims himself God in the Temple and kills the witnesses at the point the 1260 of the witness testimony is up. 

The second half of the week is characterized by GT and God's wrath. The witnesses cannot be in God's wrath so the 2Ws must appear within a portion of the 1st half.

Then, the time when the beast is given all authority over everyone on the earth spells doom for the beast's most strident opposition, the 2Ws, and he kills them when he is granted that power and authority. 

This puts the 2Ws firmly within the whole of the 1st half as opposition to the pact Israel made with death, from the onset of the 7 year agreement.

 

My post presented above was 5th grade reading comprehension, the beast will kill the two witnesses, 3-4 days later will be the 3rd woe in the 7th Trump (The End) Revelation 11:18 shows the final judgement 

The Beast's 42 months and the Two Witnesses 1260 days are "Parallel" time frames equaling 3.5 years, simple and very easy to understand 

Edited July 24, 2022 by truth7t7