No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:

[Walter and Deborah]

Friday 8-5-22 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Av 6 5782 46th. Summer Day

22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;

23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks

24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.

25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?

26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

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Love, Walter and Debbie

 

Love always, Fr. Walter & Debbie, La./Wa. A phrase of our Lord Jesus Christ/ Matt. 6:33.

My Faith and Belief Site

[Alive]

Yes--and then a few minutes later our Lord repeated Himself. When He did this, it behooves us to pay attention.

Take note of that phrase our Lord used: "because of this" and also the question that the disciples asked in verse 60-“This is a difficult    saying!    Who can understand it?” And then in verse 63 what Jesus says--⁶³ The Spirit is the one who gives life; human nature is of no help! 

Yes---"Because of this....I told you"

John 6:59 (NET)     Jesus said these things while he was teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. ⁶⁰ Then many of his disciples, when they heard these things,    said, “This is a difficult    saying!    Who can understand it?”    ⁶¹ When Jesus was aware    that his disciples were complaining    about this, he said to them, “Does this cause you to be offended?    ⁶² Then what if you see the Son of Man ascending where he was before?    ⁶³ The Spirit is the one who gives life; human nature is of no help!    The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.    ⁶⁴ But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus had already known from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)    ⁶⁵ So Jesus added,    “Because of this I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has allowed him to come.”   

[other one]

1 Tim 2:3-7
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time. 7 And for this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
NASB

I would think that at one time or another God calls all to Jesus.

[Alive]

11 minutes ago, other one said:

1 Tim 2:3-7
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time. 7 And for this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
NASB

I would think that at one time or another God calls all to Jesus.

The Word goes out but many hearing can't hear.

Matt. 13:13 (NET) For this reason I speak to them in parables: Although they see they do not see, and although they hear they do not hear nor do they understand.

Matt. 13:15 (NET)   For the heart of this people has become dull;   they are hard of hearing,   and they have shut their eyes,   so that they would not see with their eyes   and hear with their ears   and understand with their hearts   and turn, and I would heal them.’

Luke 8:10 (NAS20S) And He said, “ To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest they are told in parables, so that   while seeing they may not see, and while hearing they may not understand.

Edited August 5, 2022 by Alive
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[Your closest friendnt]

9 minutes ago, other one said:

1 Tim 2:3-7
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time. 7 And for this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
NASB

I would think that at one time or another God calls all to Jesus.

Thank you for posting, disciple. 

[Your closest friendnt]

@Walter and Deborah,

This was very unusual to the people of that close culture.

That culture was a closed culture, it was not open to all.

The statement "I will draw all men unto me" and this is that "the Father will draw all men unto me", and "all that the Father has he will give them to me", or "all will be taught by God" are statements that are not align with the culture in which Jesus and the disciples were born. 

That was a culture of people from the chosen seed of Abraham, eligible to be included in the Covenant of Sinai.  

The words Jesus used "all people", all will be taught by God", the Father will draw all people unto me", and all that the Father has he will give them unto me", I left this for last...

They are statements not inspired by the  closed culture of the people who were subjected to the Law. 

The Law makes a huge distinction between them and all other people of the world, and yet Jesus is speaking as if there is no distinction between the two, those under the Covenant of Sinai, the people of the Lord God Almighty and the people of the rest of the world who were bdeligma unto the Lord, and that was by the Lord's doing and it was codified in the Law...

Yet Jesus is including in his presentation all the world outside the culture of the people he is speaking to, and he is including the people he is speaking to and the world in the same boat of God which Jesus has claimed it for himself, saying that this is the will of God. 

Jesus is saying that something will happen unheard of...that everyone in the world will be taught by God, and this is not very simple, because Jesus said God will teach all the people of the world who seek him that if they want him, they must seek Jesus, that they can only have him if they believe in Jesus...that they cannot have him without Jesus Christ...

Jesus is relating this to this specific situation, at that time of his speech....knowing that the Holy Spirit of God will be released in the whole world at the right time and knowing that he will die for the forgiveness of the sins of the whole world, which includes all those who had died before him...those were the first Jesus spoke to after his death...

Jesus is speaking as if the uncleaniless of the whole world has been lifted up...and that includes those who had died before him...Jesus is addressing the whole world as if the bdelygma was not in the way to prevent God to go to all the people of the world...through the Holy Spirit of God...after Jesus Christ death...and minister to them and or teach each one of them, and if God was their own private tutor and had a special tutoring session with each one, suited to each ones understanding...

In his presentation Jesus is including this for happening that God is opened up to the whole world through Jesus Christ and the Father has given to Jesus or has included to Jesus or has made possible that every one who was not included to Jesus that he will be included to Jesus Christ, so Jesus Christ can be all in all...but we know that the Heavenly Father did not have anyone else, that Jesus is the first one he had...for that reason Jesus must be referring to them who were the Lords people in Abraham and his chose children...in Issac, Jacob and the twelve tribes, known as the Israelites...

The reference to the Father it must be to the Father of the Israelites...their Lord God Almighty....the reference "their" is referring that the Lord was in Covenant with the Israelites to be their God only....

Jesus at that time spoke looking into what soon to come, knowing to what soon will take place to people who had not idea of what soon will take place...

They had teaching about to what they thought that soon will take place, but God had not teach those things to them...and they had formed the wrong picture of what soon will take place...

 

 

[AdHoc]

6 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

Friday 8-5-22 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Av 6 5782 46th. Summer Day

22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;

23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks

24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.

25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?

26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

Read full chapter

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

Love always, Fr. Walter & Debbie, La./Wa. A phrase of our Lord Jesus Christ/ Matt. 6:33.

My Faith and Belief Site

Three difficulties are found with this passage.

1. That the Father will have to draw any man that comes to Jesus
2. Why the Lord Jesus presents Himself as Bread
3. Why the Lord commands men to eat His flesh and drink His blood

(1) If you read Romans 7 carefully it is at once apparent that the nature we have inherited from Adam dwells richly in us so that sin (singular) is Personified and causes man to veer away from God all the time. Paul says that even when he wants to do God's will, he ends up not doing it. Man is like a snowball rolling down a snow-covered hill towards hell. He (i) collect more snow to make a return more unlikely, and (ii) he just can't beat the Law of sin and death. It needs God to draw him. This is an active help from God to turn to Him. The Greek word means a gentle but firm drawing like pulling in a full net of fish without breaking the net.

(2) In Eden, before sin, our Lord is presented as fruit of the Tree of Life. But once sin came in the way to the Tree of Life is barred. To get to it takes passing through a fiery sword. No one can do this because the fire consumes and the sword kills the sinner. So before man can eat Christ somebody worthy has to take the sinner's place. For the fallen nature of man Jesus is the Lamb (Jn.1:29). But the Lamb only deals with one thing.man might have the substitutionary effect of the Lamb but he still hasn't eaten Christ for LIFE. For this, because we are born from a Single Grain of Wheat - Christ (Jn.12:24), to eat Christ He must go through a process. This process is to die by being crushed and ground, then put into an oven to bake at high temperature. It is the suffering Christ we eat.

(3) When God made man He wanted a special product. Man was to be in the image and likeness of God, but not lose his humanity. To have a man act like God and to rule like God would, the man need to be a man, but with his humanity permeated with God's nature. If you eat something, it becomes one with the eater in a few hours. To eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life would have infused man with Christ's nature - both 100% man but with divinity. Divinity in the application of His lifestyle NOT His Godhead. And the way the Father achieves this is that He sent Christ as a Man (see Luke's genealogy), but He was God as well (see John's history of Jesus). Then God ordains that our Lord Jesus would go through the full experience of humanity. This would add human living to Christ's divinity. But it would be the perfect humanity - a humanity pleasing to the Father. then, if you ate Jesus, you would become one with a Man whose perfect humanity would be infused into you. Man's vitality by the breath of God is in his human spirit (Gen.2:7, Jas.2:26). But man humanity is in his blood (Act.17:26). Man's spirituality is in his human spirit, but his humanity - being a man, is in his FLESH.

So Jesus commanded that men, in order to reach God's original goal with men, eat His flesh and drink His blood. But if Jesus presented Himself as a human Body, there would barely be enough for the twelve apostles. So what He does is He lives the perfect human life under Law and even outside of Law (for the Law cannot demand that the innocent die for the guilty), and then adds it to His divinity. the Holy Spirit receives Christ's perfect humanity and through the unlimitedness of the Holy Spirit, Christ can be added to all men, past, present and future who would embrace Him. This is the meaning of John 7:39. Our Lord Jesus had to go through human birth, life, death and be glorified by resurrection to prove that all sin ans sins were put away. Then only, could He BREATHE Himself as the Spirit into His believers (Jn.20:22). The Greek for "Spirit" is the same as "wind" and "breath".

The problem came when His followers did not see the principle of the fruit of the Tree of Life. They should have been looking for a Messiah Who dealt with their sin ans sins and the infused Himself into them. Instead they looked for a Law-giver and Warrior. Both these things are OUTSIDE of men and have no effect on them. God's plan is to get INSIDE man and let LIFE rule in a man.

[Walter and Deborah]

5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Walter and Deborah,

This was very unusual to the people of that close culture.

That culture was a closed culture, it was not open to all.

The statement "I will draw all men unto me" and this is that "the Father will draw all men unto me", and "all that the Father has he will give them to me", or "all will be taught by God" are statements that are not align with the culture in which Jesus and the disciples were born. 

That was a culture of people from the chosen seed of Abraham, eligible to be included in the Covenant of Sinai.  

The words Jesus used "all people", all will be taught by God", the Father will draw all people unto me", and all that the Father has he will give them unto me", I left this for last...

They are statements not inspired by the  closed culture of the people who were subjected to the Law. 

The Law makes a huge distinction between them and all other people of the world, and yet Jesus is speaking as if there is no distinction between the two, those under the Covenant of Sinai, the people of the Lord God Almighty and the people of the rest of the world who were bdeligma unto the Lord, and that was by the Lord's doing and it was codified in the Law...

Yet Jesus is including in his presentation all the world outside the culture of the people he is speaking to, and he is including the people he is speaking to and the world in the same boat of God which Jesus has claimed it for himself, saying that this is the will of God. 

Jesus is saying that something will happen unheard of...that everyone in the world will be taught by God, and this is not very simple, because Jesus said God will teach all the people of the world who seek him that if they want him, they must seek Jesus, that they can only have him if they believe in Jesus...that they cannot have him without Jesus Christ...

Jesus is relating this to this specific situation, at that time of his speech....knowing that the Holy Spirit of God will be released in the whole world at the right time and knowing that he will die for the forgiveness of the sins of the whole world, which includes all those who had died before him...those were the first Jesus spoke to after his death...

Jesus is speaking as if the uncleaniless of the whole world has been lifted up...and that includes those who had died before him...Jesus is addressing the whole world as if the bdelygma was not in the way to prevent God to go to all the people of the world...through the Holy Spirit of God...after Jesus Christ death...and minister to them and or teach each one of them, and if God was their own private tutor and had a special tutoring session with each one, suited to each ones understanding...

In his presentation Jesus is including this for happening that God is opened up to the whole world through Jesus Christ and the Father has given to Jesus or has included to Jesus or has made possible that every one who was not included to Jesus that he will be included to Jesus Christ, so Jesus Christ can be all in all...but we know that the Heavenly Father did not have anyone else, that Jesus is the first one he had...for that reason Jesus must be referring to them who were the Lords people in Abraham and his chose children...in Issac, Jacob and the twelve tribes, known as the Israelites...

The reference to the Father it must be to the Father of the Israelites...their Lord God Almighty....the reference "their" is referring that the Lord was in Covenant with the Israelites to be their God only....

Jesus at that time spoke looking into what soon to come, knowing to what soon will take place to people who had not idea of what soon will take place...

They had teaching about to what they thought that soon will take place, but God had not teach those things to them...and they had formed the wrong picture of what soon will take place...

 

 

Thank you for your input.

Love, Walter and Debbie

[Walter and Deborah]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Three difficulties are found with this passage.

1. That the Father will have to draw any man that comes to Jesus
2. Why the Lord Jesus presents Himself as Bread
3. Why the Lord commands men to eat His flesh and drink His blood

(1) If you read Romans 7 carefully it is at once apparent that the nature we have inherited from Adam dwells richly in us so that sin (singular) is Personified and causes man to veer away from God all the time. Paul says that even when he wants to do God's will, he ends up not doing it. Man is like a snowball rolling down a snow-covered hill towards hell. He (i) collect more snow to make a return more unlikely, and (ii) he just can't beat the Law of sin and death. It needs God to draw him. This is an active help from God to turn to Him. The Greek word means a gentle but firm drawing like pulling in a full net of fish without breaking the net.

(2) In Eden, before sin, our Lord is presented as fruit of the Tree of Life. But once sin came in the way to the Tree of Life is barred. To get to it takes passing through a fiery sword. No one can do this because the fire consumes and the sword kills the sinner. So before man can eat Christ somebody worthy has to take the sinner's place. For the fallen nature of man Jesus is the Lamb (Jn.1:29). But the Lamb only deals with one thing.man might have the substitutionary effect of the Lamb but he still hasn't eaten Christ for LIFE. For this, because we are born from a Single Grain of Wheat - Christ (Jn.12:24), to eat Christ He must go through a process. This process is to die by being crushed and ground, then put into an oven to bake at high temperature. It is the suffering Christ we eat.

(3) When God made man He wanted a special product. Man was to be in the image and likeness of God, but not lose his humanity. To have a man act like God and to rule like God would, the man need to be a man, but with his humanity permeated with God's nature. If you eat something, it becomes one with the eater in a few hours. To eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life would have infused man with Christ's nature - both 100% man but with divinity. Divinity in the application of His lifestyle NOT His Godhead. And the way the Father achieves this is that He sent Christ as a Man (see Luke's genealogy), but He was God as well (see John's history of Jesus). Then God ordains that our Lord Jesus would go through the full experience of humanity. This would add human living to Christ's divinity. But it would be the perfect humanity - a humanity pleasing to the Father. then, if you ate Jesus, you would become one with a Man whose perfect humanity would be infused into you. Man's vitality by the breath of God is in his human spirit (Gen.2:7, Jas.2:26). But man humanity is in his blood (Act.17:26). Man's spirituality is in his human spirit, but his humanity - being a man, is in his FLESH.

So Jesus commanded that men, in order to reach God's original goal with men, eat His flesh and drink His blood. But if Jesus presented Himself as a human Body, there would barely be enough for the twelve apostles. So what He does is He lives the perfect human life under Law and even outside of Law (for the Law cannot demand that the innocent die for the guilty), and then adds it to His divinity. the Holy Spirit receives Christ's perfect humanity and through the unlimitedness of the Holy Spirit, Christ can be added to all men, past, present and future who would embrace Him. This is the meaning of John 7:39. Our Lord Jesus had to go through human birth, life, death and be glorified by resurrection to prove that all sin ans sins were put away. Then only, could He BREATHE Himself as the Spirit into His believers (Jn.20:22). The Greek for "Spirit" is the same as "wind" and "breath".

The problem came when His followers did not see the principle of the fruit of the Tree of Life. They should have been looking for a Messiah Who dealt with their sin ans sins and the infused Himself into them. Instead they looked for a Law-giver and Warrior. Both these things are OUTSIDE of men and have no effect on them. God's plan is to get INSIDE man and let LIFE rule in a man.

Thank you for your input.

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Three difficulties are found with this passage.

1. That the Father will have to draw any man that comes to Jesus
2. Why the Lord Jesus presents Himself as Bread
3. Why the Lord commands men to eat His flesh and drink His blood

(1) If you read Romans 7 carefully it is at once apparent that the nature we have inherited from Adam dwells richly in us so that sin (singular) is Personified and causes man to veer away from God all the time. Paul says that even when he wants to do God's will, he ends up not doing it. Man is like a snowball rolling down a snow-covered hill towards hell. He (i) collect more snow to make a return more unlikely, and (ii) he just can't beat the Law of sin and death. It needs God to draw him. This is an active help from God to turn to Him. The Greek word means a gentle but firm drawing like pulling in a full net of fish without breaking the net.

(2) In Eden, before sin, our Lord is presented as fruit of the Tree of Life. But once sin came in the way to the Tree of Life is barred. To get to it takes passing through a fiery sword. No one can do this because the fire consumes and the sword kills the sinner. So before man can eat Christ somebody worthy has to take the sinner's place. For the fallen nature of man Jesus is the Lamb (Jn.1:29). But the Lamb only deals with one thing.man might have the substitutionary effect of the Lamb but he still hasn't eaten Christ for LIFE. For this, because we are born from a Single Grain of Wheat - Christ (Jn.12:24), to eat Christ He must go through a process. This process is to die by being crushed and ground, then put into an oven to bake at high temperature. It is the suffering Christ we eat.

(3) When God made man He wanted a special product. Man was to be in the image and likeness of God, but not lose his humanity. To have a man act like God and to rule like God would, the man need to be a man, but with his humanity permeated with God's nature. If you eat something, it becomes one with the eater in a few hours. To eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life would have infused man with Christ's nature - both 100% man but with divinity. Divinity in the application of His lifestyle NOT His Godhead. And the way the Father achieves this is that He sent Christ as a Man (see Luke's genealogy), but He was God as well (see John's history of Jesus). Then God ordains that our Lord Jesus would go through the full experience of humanity. This would add human living to Christ's divinity. But it would be the perfect humanity - a humanity pleasing to the Father. then, if you ate Jesus, you would become one with a Man whose perfect humanity would be infused into you. Man's vitality by the breath of God is in his human spirit (Gen.2:7, Jas.2:26). But man humanity is in his blood (Act.17:26). Man's spirituality is in his human spirit, but his humanity - being a man, is in his FLESH.

So Jesus commanded that men, in order to reach God's original goal with men, eat His flesh and drink His blood. But if Jesus presented Himself as a human Body, there would barely be enough for the twelve apostles. So what He does is He lives the perfect human life under Law and even outside of Law (for the Law cannot demand that the innocent die for the guilty), and then adds it to His divinity. the Holy Spirit receives Christ's perfect humanity and through the unlimitedness of the Holy Spirit, Christ can be added to all men, past, present and future who would embrace Him. This is the meaning of John 7:39. Our Lord Jesus had to go through human birth, life, death and be glorified by resurrection to prove that all sin ans sins were put away. Then only, could He BREATHE Himself as the Spirit into His believers (Jn.20:22). The Greek for "Spirit" is the same as "wind" and "breath".

The problem came when His followers did not see the principle of the fruit of the Tree of Life. They should have been looking for a Messiah Who dealt with their sin ans sins and the infused Himself into them. Instead they looked for a Law-giver and Warrior. Both these things are OUTSIDE of men and have no effect on them. God's plan is to get INSIDE man and let LIFE rule in a man.

In the negative in Genesis we are informed that there is no way that man can get to the tree of Life.. 

Actually we are informed that the efforts of any man who will attempt to get close to the tree of Life it will be sure death...

A proof that man is in death...the inherited death from Adam...this is to know that no man should think that because he is of high standard in his own contact and in his charity that those and any other credential will open the way to the tree of Life...this also may create a problem with man thinking that God does not want man to have access to the tree of Life, because at the time of the prohibition he did not set the way or give the hope to man that one day the way to the tree of Life will open...

One thing is clear, that the way of man to where the tree of Life is closed, even though there is a gate in the garden.

There is only another hope for man and that is because there is not a prohibition to the tree of Life that the tree of Life may come to where man is outside the gates and man will then have access to eats fruit.  

The tree may represent a Family, and also may represent a Patriarch the first in the family...or so to speak. 

We also know from the context that the tree of Life existed apart from Adam and the generations of man...

But that it leaves the door open for the woman, that the tree of Life may enter our world through the woman...without the doing of man..

And we see that in Genesis ch.3 that the promise was made that the seed of the woman will bring something knew to the world...a man the Patriarch, the tree of Life. 

But there is something else, we are informed that the tree of Life will give man another kind of Life than the Life Adam had before he ate from the tree of death...and he fall from the Life unto death...

And every man was by default in the sea of death...

They were the fish in the Dead Sea, which Jesus is fishing out from the sea of death. 

He choose fishermen and made them to fish men out from the see of death.

Actually the scripture says that men will be saved from the see of death, because the promise is that when they eat from the fruit of the tree of Life they will never die again while knowing good and evil...

Adam ate from the fruit and die without having the knowledge of good and evil. 

So the fruit of Life will give to man EVERLASTING LIFE. 

That when he disobeys God or when he sins he will not died like Adam died, that he will continue to be in the Life, and here is the Key to that, because this time he is in the Life and the righteousness of the tree of Life...and not his own, the way Adam was, who had the burden to remain in the Life of God through his own obedience...and to remain righteous through his own efforts. 

Jesus had a similar burden, because God required from him to remain obedient to him all the way to the Cross...

Because for man to remain alive even though he disobeys God or sins he had to be in the imputed righteousness that comes from the tree of Life...

The tree of Life had to also be able to give imputed righteousness to man. So man even though he is in his own righteousness no matter what it is, at the same time he is in the righteousness of the tree of Life...that's why there is no fear of death for the one who is in the tree of Life, who has believe in Jesus Christ...

Edited August 6, 2022 by Your closest friendnt