God is not a laundry service that wash your sins in two hours and then you become clean and fragrant.

[Your closest friendnt]

16 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

I had a conversation with Paul about this. He liked to quote David even though people here like to point out that the old covenant is different from the new covenant. 

Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." This has to do with what David and Paul talks about being GOOD and being RIGHT before God. 

I have copy and paste the first paragraph from your post quoted above. Which reads as follows. 

 "I had a conversation with Paul about this. He liked to quote David even though people here like to point out that the old covenant is different from the new covenantI had a conversation with Paul about this. He liked to quote David even though people here like to point out that the old covenant is different from the new covenant".

And this is a question that flows out of your statements in the first paragraph of your post as copy and paste above: 

Did Paul quoted David for what reason, because not only Paul, but the other disciples quoted Paul, and even Jesus. What was the reason to quote Paul in as many different passages, that very each one from the other..

Was their common goal and reason to prove that there is not difference between the old and the new Covenant? 

Can hermeneutics apply in it's full strength help to support the statement on your post that their common goal was to show that there is no difference between the old and the new Covenant and how so. 

[Dan Knight]

On 9/2/2022 at 12:10 PM, JimmyB said:

I know what hermeneutics is.  However, you wrote earlier that everything written in the Bible applies to us.  It doesn't.

There are two covenants: the old and the new.  The Old Covenant is a contract between God and the Jews.  The New Covenant is a contract between God and those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.  You can't be under both.

(Old Covenant is a contract between God and the Jews..)

  More correctly the old covenant is between God and Isreal. 

All Jewish folk are Israeli but not all Israeli are Jewish.  Isreal had 12 sons. The Covenant between God and Abraham,  and God and Moses concerned all of the sons of Isreal not just the Jewish folk. Jewish folk were not the only people led out of Egypt. And in the book of Rev 7 beginning from :5, 12,000 from each tribe, ( decendants of the 12 sons of Isreal). 

  Of course, everyone is familiar with the sonsof Juda and of the levitical priest hood, but because the other 10 were scattered,  becoming the lost 10 tribes, not much thought is given to them. That does not make them any less important.  They are here, always have been.

[Mike Mclees]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

That's a very interesting passage. This is a diamond, how did you find it? Thank you. 

This came from a well known preacher teacher John Mcarther. I don't always listen to him but this time I did and found it to be very interesting. Give it a chance so we might learn from it. Are you talking of Zecharia Ch 3: 1-5. He did not quote it but i have known it for many years

[Mike Mclees]

3 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Born again needs repentance.

Born again is spiritual cleansing. It means regenerated which is to be made new  You can not put dirty clothes in with other dirty clothes to be washed. Can dirty cloths be made brand new again? Only God can make you new again. 

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[JohnR7]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Did Paul quoted David for what reason,

Paul quotes David and tells us what David was saying. We read this in Romans 3:10 "As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one. 

In the Psalm 14 we read "

3All have turned away,

they have together become corrupt;b

there is no one who does good,

not even one.

Paul tells us that we are justified by faith and not the law. From this, people conclude that we do not have to follow the law. But that is NOT what Paul is saying.

Galatians 3:24

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith".

We do not disregard the law as people here on the board claim. The law is designed to be our teacher to bring us to Christ. 

 

Edited September 4, 2022 by JohnR7

[JohnR7]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Was their common goal and reason to prove that there is not difference between the old and the new Covenant? 

Paul makes this very clear in Galatians 3:24: "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith".

Paul tells us the reason and the purpose for the law and the meaning of the law for us today. 

[R. Hartono]

8 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

Only God can make you new again. 

Not even God can make us new unless we repento.

Edited September 4, 2022 by R. Hartono

[JimmyB]

1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

Not even God can make us new unless we repento.

Not even God can make us new?  The deity who created the heavens and the earth and all living things can't make us into who He wants us to be?  We must help Him by works???

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

[Mike Mclees]

2 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Not even God can make us new unless we repento.

For God nothing is impossible . To repent of a sin is to stop the sin. This is a work which is physical not spiritual. What God does is spiritual and only He can make you new again, and that has nothing to do with repentance "you must be born again of the spirit "

Edited September 4, 2022 by Mike Mclees

[kwikphilly]

First of all it seems there is a bit of confusion with " repentance"

.Repentance is a process of recognizing ones sin,a regret or remorse,asking forgiveness & a willingness to not repeat .... to change and do things differently not to go back to sinning

So,does this mean "we" must complete the process of repentance before God Can make us New Creatures- of course not

 When you go to the laundry mat do you wash your clothes before hand or you bring them dirty- it's rather obvious? We come to Christ as we are,before during or after a process of repentance & just with a sincere,willing & open heart to Receive ....

Asking forgiveness means you have recognized you are a sinner & the repentant heart is that desire to change..... We do not have the power to complete a process of repentance without Christ Jesus