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[Hobie_]

1 minute ago, Starise said:

I'm not disputing that. 

This is one way the kingdom is described. Of course we are part of the new location if we are believers.

We won't be here. Where will we be? The kingdom of God.

I think Alive wrote something about a relocation, which I'll admit I didn't entirely pick up on, but his comments reminded me of the kingdom. The ideas seemed odd to me at the time because we are still locationally here. Probably just me.

I can say I'm a member of the Swedish skiing society but maybe I live in Florida.

Christians have always believed Christ is coming again to take them to heaven to the Kingdom, but now Satan has brought in confusion and doubt. We need to know what is going to happen, we need to study this, and ask for the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth..

[Starise]

2 minutes ago, Hobie_ said:

Christians have always believed Christ is coming again to take them to heaven to the Kingdom, but now Satan has brought in confusion and doubt. We need to know what is going to happen, we need to study this, and ask for the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth..

I agree.

So then, you see Christians who DON'T believe they are going to be with the Lord?

I don't believe I have ever met such a person. I have heard plenty of different views on how this is all supposed to play out eventually mainly hanging up on that 7 year period and the tribulation as they call it.

If I didn't think I was going to be saved eventually from this old earth and brought into a new heaven and earth, I would have to discount a large part of the bible.

 

[Starise]

51 minutes ago, johann pretorius said:

Question

What is the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Heaven?
Same, not the same?

2. is the basileia within the believers, or the believers within the kingdom?

Col 1:13  who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love;...

ος ερρυσατο ημας εκ της εξουσιας του σκοτους και μετεστησεν εις την βασιλειαν του υιου της αγαπης αυτου

Shalom brother.

Some get hung up on how this works because Jesus often spoke in parables and some of the things He said were not intended for those who He didn't want to understand. Those who didn't understand thought he was a looney bin.

He said things like" I and my Father are one", " If your eye causes you to sin gouge it out(parphrase)" . " Destroy this temple and in three days I will rebuild it".

In the same elusive way He speaks about a kingdom. All of those looking around who didn't understand only seen a man in  common dress and no kingdom but the one He happened to be in at the time. He is the king of His kingdom. To most He looked like a common ordinary man who was talking about something they did not fully understand. 

The Jews may have thought He was looking at a soon to be liberated Israel as a world power. 

The kingdom has a spiritual meaning and a future location. The kingdom is in us. This is a kingdom like no other, which makes it hard for comparison to all other worldy kingdoms.

Where is God now? Some might claim He is in heaven. Where is that? Others might say He is omnipresent. God extends Himself in ways we don't understand so that He is everywhere and somewhere.

Until the final rebellion during the millennium, God will be running things here on earth and all will be better than it has ever been since Eden before men fell. 

The new heaven and new earth are the final resting place or 'port' of the universe. This will be yet another kingdom we are part of.

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by Starise

[com7fy8]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

I'm not sure that God actually was "protecting" Job because Job served God. That was the accusation of Satan - 

This is a good point, how anything Satan says can be a lie.

If the Bible says that Satan said something . . . "he is a liar and the father of it," Jesus says in John 8:44. So, if the Bible says that Satan said something, it is true that he said it, but it is not necessarily true that what he said is true!

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 hour ago, Dan Knight said:

 

Your saying that Satan went before God and initiated the aggression towards Job.  Not so, even if he did, God was in control. So your saying God allowed this violent attack for ego sake? To prove Satan wrong? Prove to who? And at the expense of a presumably innocent human being. 

 

You are accusing Job of being an unrighteous man when God himself says he is a perfect and upright man, one who fears God.   Are you saying God is a liar?

1 hour ago, Dan Knight said:

Again, in the Lord's Prayer,  we are not asking God to ,"lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." Why would we constantly ask Him to do something He already said He would do, and God cannot lie.

No, we not asking for this in the Lord's Prayer.  We are proclaiming to Him, saying this is what You do! Father in Heaven,  You don't lead us into temptation,  You deliver us from evil. We are.praising Him.

How does your rendition of Job, fit with a God that says He don't do what He's being accused of doing? Of leading Job by temptation and handing him over to the evil one.

That is not what Jesus said, you completely twisted that scripture to fit your narrative.

Jesus clearly says:  

Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly [is] ready, but the flesh [is] weak. - Mar 14:38 KJV

We are promised temptations, testing and trails in this life.

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. - Jhn 16:33 KJV

My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. - Jas 1:2-3 NKJV

Edited September 22, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Dan Knight]

5 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

You are accusing Job of being an unrighteous man when God himself says he is a perfect and upright man, one who fears God.   Are you saying God is liar?

That is not what Jesus said, you completely twisted that scripture to fit your narrative.

Jesus clearly says:  

Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly [is] ready, but the flesh [is] weak. - Mar 14:38 KJV

We are promised temptations, testing and trails in this life.

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. - Jhn 16:33 KJV

My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. - Jas 1:2-3 NKJV

MARK 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, “Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but One, that is, God.

 

Romans 3:23²³ for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Isaiah 64:6

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We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

Add infinite..

God said Job was perfect in his ways. Not God's ways. And Gods ways are not our ways.

Job made constant sacrifices for his kids, who refused to take it serious.  Job thought that his actions of sacrifices for the sins of his children were good enough. 

Good enough for what. The penalty for sin is death. Not the death of a cow. But the death of a human. 

Do you thank God everyday for not leading you into temptation,  but instead He delivers you from the evil one?

The devil does not sleep, but always seeks whom he may devour.

We thank God that He does not sleep either.

 

 

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 minute ago, Dan Knight said:

MARK 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, “Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but One, that is, God.

 

Romans 3:23²³ for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Isaiah 64:6

Not Helpful

We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

Add infinite..

God said Job was perfect in his ways. Not God's ways. And Gods ways are not our ways.

Job made constant sacrifices for his kids, who refused to take it serious.  Job thought that his actions of sacrifices for the sins of his children were good enough. 

Good enough for what. The penalty for sin is death. Not the death of a cow. But the death of a human. 

Do you thank God everyday for not leading you into temptation,  but instead He delivers you from the evil one?

The devil does not sleep, but always seeks whom he may devour.

We thank God that He does not sleep either.

 

 

 

God clearly calls certain people through-out scripture righteous.  Examples: Abraham, Noah, King David, to include Job and many others.  Yet you deny this.

God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry [with the wicked] every day. - Psa 7:11 KJV

The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. - Psa 11:5 KJV

There were they in great fear: for God [is] in the generation of the righteous. - Psa 14:5 KJV

Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all [ye that are] upright in heart. - Psa 32:11 KJV

Rejoice in the LORD, O ye righteous: [for] praise is comely for the upright. - Psa 33:1 KJV

Many [are] the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all. - Psa 34:19 KJV

A little that a righteous man hath [is] better than the riches of many wicked. - Psa 37:16 KJV

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. - Luk 1:5-6 KJV
 

[com7fy8]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

The kingdom has a spiritual meaning and a future location. The kingdom is in us. 

Yes > in Luke 17:20-21 > Jesus says >

"The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See, here!' or 'See, there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:20-21)

One way I understand this is, that God's kingdom is God's realm - - - of how He is, what He is experiencing, how He does things, and how He rules.

And in this realm of God, we share with Him in this . . . in His love >

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

This love is in God; so it is in the kingdom of God, plus this is Heaven's love; and so it is in the realm of Heaven.

My opinion, Starise, is they are the same kingdom, then. But "Kingdom of God" brings out how this is God's kingdom, while the name "Kingdom of Heaven" brings out how this realm of God is higher and better than this earthly world's kingdom. 

What matters is that the love is the same and so more and better than human and worldly loves and ways of loving.

And 1 John 4:17 says >

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

So, in this love we share with Him in how He is in His character > "in this world" John says. Plus, with God we can feel what He is feeling in this gentle and kind all-loving family caring and sharing love. And Philippians 1:9 to me means we discover how He sees things in this love, and how He rules.

This is all in His realm, shared with us in His love living in us.

[teddyv]

When it comes to the book of Job, I think care must be taken in reading it as a historical narrative. Many Biblical scholars treat it as a theodicy - an exploration of the "why do bad things happen to good people". The fact it is dominantly poetic in structure with cycles of speakers should be a clue that this is not likely a historical account, as we would consider history today.

The place of satan acting as the accuser and being allowed in God's presence is certainly very similar to Jewish understanding of satan and his role. 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Starise said:

DeighAnn, Our eventual new normal won't be until after the millennium. After Satan is thrown into the pit for the last time and all evil uprisings are stopped forever.

Is this how you see it? In my opinion this is our forever state, so whatever that is is our permanent new home.

I believe there is a new 'normal' when the 2 witnesses and Satan and the angels (the problem I was having this morning) come to the earth from heaven as it will be the first time that MIRACLES and BIG ones will be done with the whole world able to witness them.  "lying signs and wonders" so good will Satan be that the time had to be shortened or else even the elect would be deceived.  THAT IS REALLY REALLY convincing.  I say that from the stand point of if I am still living then I would EXPECT to be here when Satan comes.  I expect there to be a one world system.  I expect a moment of severe chaos (deadly wound)  I expect the 2 witnesses of God to show up with miracles, I expect Satan and the fallen angels to come in and take over the kingdoms,  I expect an image to be set up, I expect the whole world to worship the image, I expect that false prophet to convince the world he is 'the god' all religions have been waiting for, I expect all of this to bring in peace and prosperity to the world, and KNOWING all of that as sure as I know my name,  to know that the time had to be shortened or else even I would be convinced IS DOWN AND OUTRIGHT SCARY for those of the body of Christ who don't know these things and so won't know what is going on and so WILL be deceived.  

THEN when Jesus arrives 'the new normal' will be in the presently unseen world (and the heavens were opened and ....)   now become a SEEN world in which we live.  

THEN after the end of the GWTJ  when the heaven and earth are changed back to the GARDEN of EDEN type of world, I have no idea,  but just thinking about it makes me all kinds of happy and excited and makes this 'time' right now seem like WHAT EVER lets just do our jobs and get to the other side.  Gods Plan is counting on us to do just that. 

That's what I believe anyhow.  

OH, and as for our permanent state,

Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Hebrews 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

Hebrews 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


I think we will have another 'in the beginning' at the New Heaven and earth but I personally don't think it will be the last 'in the beginning'.   With EVERYTHING as a possibility, why get bored?    But that's just me. Nothing written that I know of except a couple times as I have been reading along and something random stuck in the middle of of something else, makes me think humm like

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

how does that work...