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[Dan Knight]

29 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

And to this, Dan, you said >

So, it looks like you are saying, no, Jesus was not alive spiritually while He was "dead". 

But I can see how His body is what died, and He simply spiritually was alive in another realm.

So, in case you believe Jesus was spiritually dead, after He died . . . what do you mean by this? 

Spiritually dead, by the way, can be taken to mean a person is in sin away from God so he or she is not alive in God's love. Jesus was not spiritually dead because of sin, in any case.

At the cross everyone believed that Jesus suffered this fate because He broke the law. Even those who who believed He was innocent,  believed He was innocent of the same laws He was accused of breaking . No one knew the real reason He was on that cross.  Nobody put Him there, He WILLFULLY got up on the cross. All observers thought they were looking at a man dieing due to a transgression of law, whether guilty of or innocent of. 

No one saw Him as the Sacrificial Lamb of God, taking on the sins of the world,  He became sin so that we might be saved from that very same thing He was suffering.  To SURELY DIE. Suffering the death penalty not for Himself but for us, in our stead.

We must accept that Jesus surely died. God died. It was His choice to do so.

 

Edited October 6, 2022 by Dan Knight

[Dan Knight]

22 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

 

 

Well, Jesus has died, but now He is alive in another realm. So, He has been "dead" yet conscious in another life.

So, this can be so for humans, too, I would say. And we have how those souls under the altar in Heaven were able to talk, though they are "dead" as far as this life is concerned.

The body is physical. It can stop and even rot, or be dissolved by a shark . . . of course  But that doesn't keep God from having the person's spirit somewhere, and conscious.

The word dead can have different meanings.

What are the biblical meanings of death.

I have heard it said that death is to be apart from God.  No. Issue here is being, existing,  with out God.  That is to presume that humans are eternal beings.  However,  bible says that Adam and Eve were removed from the Garden of Eden be before they ate of the tree of life and live forever. 

Also, if death is being separate from God,  and Jesus cried out Father why have you forsaken me,  then the penalty would have been paid in full. So why would the Father put him thru anymore? Why did Jesus have to continue to suffer unto death and burial?

 

[Dennis1209]

6 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I agree that some of the seals have already been opened and the Four Horsemen are the beginning of sorrows leading up to the Great Tribulation.  I believe we are in the 3rd seal and on the verge of the 4th Seal.

1st seal/White Horse: World Wide Deception... And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. - Mat 24:4-5 KJV (RCC, Islam, New Age, Universalism, False Gospels, etc...)

2nd Seal/Red Horse:  World Wars (World War 1, 2, civil wars, uprisings, etc...)  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. - Mat 24:6 

3rd Seal/Black Horse: World Famine and Pestilences...and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. - Mat 24:7-8 KJV

4th Seal/Pale horse represents the start of the Great Tribulation, its a culmination of all three previous seals (deception, wars, famine, plagues, and death all over the world) called the Great Tribulation. This is were the one world beast government and Anti-Christ/false prophet rise to power.  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake, those days shall be shortened....

5th Seal/Jacob's Trouble/Great Persecution/Mass Apostasy) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. - Mat 24:7, 9-11

6 Seal/Cosmic Disturbance/Signs in the Heavens: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. - Mat 24:5, 7-11, 29-30 KJV

I am not adamant about the following, just an opinion.

The Lord Himself is the only one found worthy and qualified to unseal the scroll. It begs the question, what is written and inside of this scroll? Some say it is the title deed to the earth; some say it contains all the wrath in the seal, bowl, and trumpet judgments. I prefer the latter.

If that is indeed what this scroll is, God's wrath is being unleashed on the earth-dwellers.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. [emphasis mine]

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. [emphasis mine]

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; [emphasis again mine]

The preceding scripture and much other scripture talk about what many will have to endure in this fallen, sinful world for the name of Jesus, what Satan and his minions throw at us, and the evil hearts of governments and men.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

All the Tribulation (Daniel’s 70^th week) is the wrath of God poured upon the earth-dwellers. The last three and a half years are the time of Jacobs’s trouble; it is so severe, hence Matt. 24:21.

I see the seal, bowls, and trumpets as all the wrath of the Lamb poured out on the earth-dwellers.

REASON FOR THE TRIBULATION

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

If we are not appointed to God’s wrath, which the Tribulation is, then the harpazo must occur before the Tribulation. If these seals, bowls, and trumpets are contained in this scroll, it is all the wrath of God. I believe what we are seeing come to pass right now is a warning, a precursor, a tiny taste of what is coming. To repent and accept the Lord Jesus while there is still time.

[com7fy8]

59 minutes ago, Dan Knight said:

New King James Version
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Well, if this means Jesus changed into being sin . . . or sinful, therefore . . . this would mean He changed. And God can not change, right? 

"God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone," we have in James 1:13; and "there is no variation or shadow of turning" with Him, we have in James 1:17.

So, if God can not tempt anyone, to me this means He could not have "made" His own Son change in character to become "sin".

But in appearance and position and situation . . . you can become one thing and then another thing, but without you changing, at all. 

A house can become red, or then change to become blue. But the house in its inner realities never changes. 

And in a play a very kind and caring actor can become a villain and play the part well. But everyone who knows him or her knows he or she is kind and caring and just playing a certain role. 

And a top quality officer of proven character can become an inmate in a corrupt prison, in order to bring down the evil warden. But he or she is not guilty of anything! but "became" guilty in appearances only 

Jesus became guilty and punished, but only in appearances and legally and circumstantially. He took our place so He could die right, for us who could never die right for our own sins. And Jesus on Calvary was doing an undercover operation . . . to take down the devil > Hebrews 2:14-15.

Jesus was always one with the Father > God was right inside of Jesus, through it all > 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Ones say Jesus is God the Son. How can God change to be sin? If Jesus could change so, we have an interesting theological problem about if Jesus is God or not. Ones might simply say it can't be explained, but I have just offered an explanation.

Edited October 6, 2022 by com7fy8

[com7fy8]

30 minutes ago, Dan Knight said:

Also, if death is being separate from God,  and Jesus cried out Father why have you forsaken me,  then the penalty would have been paid in full. So why would the Father put him thru anymore? Why did Jesus have to continue to suffer unto death and burial?

In my case, I have heard people say that sin is separation from God. 

But even while someone is living in sin, there is spiritual death, meaning a person is not alive in God's love. Yet, he or she can be conscious, but in the misery and ruin of sin. And God's word does say we were "dead in trespasses and sins" > in Ephesians 2:1. So, you can be "dead" and very conscious, spiritually.

"But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives." (1 Timothy 5:6)

So, death can mean something relative. You can be alive one way, but dead in another way. 

The Bible tells us to be dead to sin, and alive to God, right? Romans 6:11

So, I see how Jesus was dead, meaning no longer consciously moving with His physical body. But He was alive and spiritually conscious, somehow, I would say, if He is God who can not change from how He is alive in love and conscious in this love. 

Why did our Father put Jesus through more than the death of the cross? My opinion is that Christ's redemptive work for us was finished . . . on the cross. Jesus obeyed our Father, there, pleasing Him to forgive and reconcile with us, because Jesus was "a sweet-smelling aroma" on Calvary > Ephesians 5:2 > sweetly pleasing through it all ! ! !

And so, what He did on the cross is enough.

But it was also God's plan for Jesus to rise from the dead, including to be witnessed during that. So, Jesus was buried and then in a private place, so He could come out and manage who would witness Him. 

[Dan Knight]

7 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

Well, if this means Jesus changed into being sin . . . or sinful, therefore . . . this would mean He changed. And God can not change, right? 

"God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone," we have in James 1:13; and "there is no variation or shadow of turning" with Him, we have in James 1:17.

So, if God can not tempt anyone, to me this means He could not have "made" His own Son change in character to become "sin".

But in appearance and position and situation . . . you can become one thing and then another thing, but without you changing, at all. 

A house can become red, or then change to become blue. But the house in its inner realities never changes. 

And in a play a very kind and caring actor can become a villain and play the part well. But everyone who knows him or her knows he or she is kind and caring and just playing a certain role. 

And a top quality officer of proven character can become an inmate in a corrupt prison, in order to bring down the evil warden. But he or she is not guilty of anything! but "became" guilty in appearances only 

Jesus became guilty and punished, but only in appearances and legally and circumstantially. He took our place so He could die right, for us who could never die right for our own sins. And Jesus on Calvary was doing an undercover operation . . . to take down the devil > Hebrews 2:14-15.

Jesus was always one with the Father > God was right inside of Jesus, through it all > 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Ones say Jesus is God the Son. How can God change to be sin? If Jesus could change so, we have an interesting theological problem about if Jesus is God or not. Ones might simply say it can't be explained, but I have just offered an explanation.

Jesus did not defeat the devil at the cross, He defeated the devil before the cross. Luke  4:1-13.

Jesus sole purpose on the cross was to save  mankind. Nothing else. 

Jesus never changed. He remained 100% God and sinless.  He WILLFULLY took all sins of mankind upon Himself.  And willfully accepted the penalty of surely die. For us, in our stead.  He WILLFULLY became the Sacrificial Lamb of God. 

The cross was not a reaction to mankind sinning, it was the Plan long before Adam and Eve. 

It cannot be fully grasped without a perfect understanding of what He meant by 'surely die '. The penalty of sin is to be un-existed.  That is the foundation of Truth. God said '..you shall surely die", the devil said "..you shall Not surely die ". 

God is not the liar, the devil is. 

[Dan Knight]

11 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

In my case, I have heard people say that sin is separation from God. 

But even while someone is living in sin, there is spiritual death, meaning a person is not alive in God's love. Yet, he or she can be conscious, but in the misery and ruin of sin. And God's word does say we were "dead in trespasses and sins" > in Ephesians 2:1. So, you can be "dead" and very conscious, spiritually.

"But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives." (1 Timothy 5:6)

So, death can mean something relative. You can be alive one way, but dead in another way. 

The Bible tells us to be dead to sin, and alive to God, right? Romans 6:11

So, I see how Jesus was dead, meaning no longer consciously moving with His physical body. But He was alive and spiritually conscious, somehow, I would say, if He is God who can not change from how He is alive in love and conscious in this love. 

Why did our Father put Jesus through more than the death of the cross? My opinion is that Christ's redemptive work for us was finished . . . on the cross. Jesus obeyed our Father, there, pleasing Him to forgive and reconcile with us, because Jesus was "a sweet-smelling aroma" on Calvary > Ephesians 5:2 > sweetly pleasing through it all ! ! !

And so, what He did on the cross is enough.

But it was also God's plan for Jesus to rise from the dead, including to be witnessed during that. So, Jesus was buried and then in a private place, so He could come out and manage who would witness Him. 

NO,NO,NO. I didn't say why did the Father put Jesus thru more than death on the cross. Re-read what I said. 

God knows that I am innocent of your charge against me. 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I am not adamant about the following, just an opinion.

The Lord Himself is the only one found worthy and qualified to unseal the scroll. It begs the question, what is written and inside of this scroll? Some say it is the title deed to the earth; some say it contains all the wrath in the seal, bowl, and trumpet judgments. I prefer the latter.

If that is indeed what this scroll is, God's wrath is being unleashed on the earth-dwellers.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. [emphasis mine]

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. [emphasis mine]

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; [emphasis again mine]

The preceding scripture and much other scripture talk about what many will have to endure in this fallen, sinful world for the name of Jesus, what Satan and his minions throw at us, and the evil hearts of governments and men.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

All the Tribulation (Daniel’s 70^th week) is the wrath of God poured upon the earth-dwellers. The last three and a half years are the time of Jacobs’s trouble; it is so severe, hence Matt. 24:21.

I see the seal, bowls, and trumpets as all the wrath of the Lamb poured out on the earth-dwellers.

REASON FOR THE TRIBULATION

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

If we are not appointed to God’s wrath, which the Tribulation is, then the harpazo must occur before the Tribulation. If these seals, bowls, and trumpets are contained in this scroll, it is all the wrath of God. I believe what we are seeing come to pass right now is a warning, a precursor, a tiny taste of what is coming. To repent and accept the Lord Jesus while there is still time.

The Seals 1-6 are not the Wrath of God, tribulation yes.  God's Wrath does not happen until the 7th seal is opened.  God's wrath is announced at the end of the 6th seal and just before the 7th seal is opened.

[Rev 6:12-17 KJV] 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

[Joe 2:30-31 KJV] 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

The 7th seal includes all the Trumpet Judgements and Vials of Wrath. The Seventh Seal is the Great Day of God's Wrath, this happens after the Sun is darkened and the Moon turns to blood which were apart of the 6th seal.

 

 

[Sower]

On 9/12/2022 at 12:05 PM, Starise said:

I can't guarantee I'll be able to answer everything.

Please no silly questions like - Did Adam have a belly button?

Luke 7:28

"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he"

Question, Starise.
Who are those that are the least in the kingdom of God?
Why are they greater than the greatest prophet born of a women?

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, com7fy8 said:

 

 

Well, Jesus has died, but now He is alive in another realm. So, He has been "dead" yet conscious in another life.

So, this can be so for humans, too, I would say. And we have how those souls under the altar in Heaven were able to talk, though they are "dead" as far as this life is concerned.

The body is physical. It can stop and even rot, or be dissolved by a shark . . . of course  But that doesn't keep God from having the person's spirit somewhere, and conscious.

The word dead can have different meanings.

I forgot that the body can be dissolved by the acid...and nothing  it's going to be left not even a trace of it, like it never existed...

Edited October 7, 2022 by Your closest friendnt