Persecution

[DeighAnn]

 

10 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

If you are aware of how the Nazi's treated the Jews in World War 2 the Christians will be treated worse in the 7 year tribulation. And with todays technology it will be more difficult to hide. 

1 Corinthians 12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
1 Corinthians 12:26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

One of my best friends parents were there, numbers and all.  So yes.  And my Mother growing up in an occupied country.  So yes.  I am very well aware

Will it be worse that taking on all the sins of the world, being beaten beyond recognition, wrongly convicted,  and hung on a cross to die? 

NO, it won't.  

Revelation 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

That will take being here.  Certainly can't take place if one is flown away to safety.  
 

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest NOT the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it

 Can't do that if whisked away first
 

Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
 

GOT to be here
 

Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Romans 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Why 'keep' the sheep from the slaughter, especially if it is for HIS SAKE 


BUT MOST OF ALL the PRAYER of the one some CLAIM is coming to take them out of the world to keep them from tribulation

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

[missmuffet]

54 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I personally believe that having people hunting down your family to torture, rape and kill them because they BELIEVE in the words of GOD,
IS on a WAY DIFFERENT LEVEL than ANY PROBLEM facing someone in a country THAT protects the rights of everyone to freely worship as they will.   

Breaks my heart to hear you trying to equate what you are witnessing take place IN THE NAME OF GOD, with the 'personal' problems of those in the world NOT dealing with anything close to that.  

WHY won't the western church open it eyes and acknowledge?  PRE TRIB theory states THEY WILL BE RAPTURED AWAY before such persecution takes place.  HOW can they be raptured away before if it is ALREADY happening?   

Come the GWTJ, the books are going to be opened.  THERE HAS TO BE WRITING IN THOSE BOOKS powerful enough to END, forever and ever, a life that GOD Himself created.  IF those who are evil DON'T have anything written,  then they could end up in the NEW HEAVENS AND EARTH with us.  SO we suffer now, so that GODS PLAN, for a life too wonderful for our words to describe, will be possible at the end of it all. 

I think knowing your persecutions have MEANING far greater than we can understand, helps. And knowing the rewards for living and dying IN AND FOR HIS NAME last FOR EVER.  


Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

 

2 Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

2 Thessalonians 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

 

2Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

2Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Many prayers for you.  God bless

Revelation 3:10

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

[DeighAnn]

4 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Revelation 3:10

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

AND if ONLY man could DICTATE how that KEEP was to take place,but alas, that is UP TO GOD AND NOT MAN.  

And since it isn't WRITTEN anywhere that the church will be taken to heaven, and it isn't written Christ is leaving the right hand of GOD BEFORE enemies made footstool, 

then Christ coming pre trib is IMPOSSIBLE.  

Not to mention the word KEEP and what it MEANS

5083. téreó ►
Strong's Concordance
téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Definition: to watch over, to guard
Usage: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.
HELPS Word-studies
5083 tēréō (from tēros, "a guard") – properly, maintain (preserve); (figuratively) spiritually guard (watch), keep intact.

Does that sound like flying away to escape tribulation?  NO

but things like THIS sound like PLANS FOR BEING KEPT
Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

 

Revelation 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Revelation 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should NOT hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

THAT IS DEFINITELY BEING KEPT FROM THE HOUR

Revelation 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.



WHAT ABOUT

Revelation 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Revelation 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

WHO ARE THEY AFTER?

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

WELL IF WE AREN'T KEPT FROM THIS PART OF THE HOUR ALSO
 

Seems being WATCHED and guarded over COMES FROM THE  GOSPEL ARMOR WHICH IS WHAT HELPS US WITHSTAND THE FIERY DARTS OF SATAN.  


 

[Who me]

On 10/12/2022 at 6:56 PM, NCAP said:

We still don't know why you need to know the name of any organization that the poster is associated with.

Can you give us your home address to satisfy our nosiness?

Very simply, if he is working with say open doors in the near east, I can look at what they say abouit the near east, and see what they are asking for prayer in the different countries. There will be examples of people in those countries.

 

I have been receiving prayer letters from different missionary organisations for years, including supporting a missionary to Algeria and I have never before encountered a missionary who would not say what organisation they work for.

[NCAP]

On 10/5/2022 at 6:31 AM, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Estera

It's perfectly fine to post here but please do post a Thread in our Prayer Request Forums- our Brothers & Sisters do go there specifically to pray for one another & others- so you will get many prayers there

@who me. Well, there you go. She was instructed to post her prayer requests in the prayer section of the forum.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

This is in no way directed at Estera, but we do have to be aware of scammers that come on here and target individuals for money, claiming to be Christians that are suffering and need financial support.  They usually don't start out asking for money, but as they hone in on their targets they gradually do.  This has happened to me a few times while on here where someone made a post about their suffering and I politely replied, and shortly after they were hitting me up with private messages that lead to them asking for money.

[NCAP]

1 minute ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

This is no way directed at Estera, but we do have to be aware of scammers that come on here and target individuals for money, claiming to be Christians that are suffering and need financial support.  They usually don't start out asking for money, but as they hone in on their targets they gradually do.  This has happened to me a few times while on here where someone made a post about their suffering and I politely replied, and shortly after they were hitting me up with private messages that lead to them asking for money.

I can appreciate what you are saying.

How do we know who is and who is not a scammer?

And how would anyone send money to these scammers?

After rethinking this, whome has a point. So how does one go about determining who is real in their requests and who and is not real, a scammer?

And the "Jesus sent me" does not prove that Jesus sent one.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 hour ago, NCAP said:

I can appreciate what you are saying.

How do we know who is and who is not a scammer?

And how would anyone send money to these scammers?

After rethinking this, whome has a point. So how does one go about determining who is real in their requests and who and is not real, a scammer?

And the "Jesus sent me" does not prove that Jesus sent one.

Yes @Who me does make some valid points.  It is really hard sometimes to id a scammer.  That is why I direct them to organizations that are equipped with working with suffering Christians and they are better at identifying those who are truly in need.  I would be cautious about anyone who is asking for money online.  Loving your neighbor starts with those who are actually your neighbors.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Dave-regenerated]

It all comes down to whether a person is trying to solicit money online from strangers.  When and if that ever happens, it's a red flag.

[NCAP]

45 minutes ago, Dave-regenerated said:

It all comes down to whether a person is trying to solicit money online from strangers.  When and if that ever happens, it's a red flag.

It may well serve as a red flag.

Years ago, I was at a forum in which the owner of the forum announced that he needed funds for a medical procedure. A lot of posters forked over some money to help pay for the procedure (through "Go fund me). A short while after that, the owner confessed that is not why he needed the money. Some of the posters were pissed off. Shortly after that, the forum was shut down.