KJV vs. ESV (Matthew 24:10)

[Not of the World]

They don't appear to say the same thing.  Which is correct, please?

 

Matthew 24:10

English Standard Version

 

¹⁰ And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another.

 

Matthew 24:10

King James Version

 

¹⁰ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

[Deborah_]

The word in Greek is 'skandaliso', which is a difficult word to translate as there is no direct equivalent in English. 

It can mean "cause to trip" (literally or morally), "cause to fall away", "take offence at", or "give offence to" (hence the English word 'scandalise').

In this particular passage, it's in the passive mood, so these people are being led astray/ being offended/ being caused to backslide.

So it's not a case of one translation being 'right' and the other 'wrong' - both are attempts to make the sentence make sense in English. This is a common issue in translating any language - there's often more than one possible way to do it.

[Not of the World]

53 minutes ago, Deborah_ said:

The word in Greek is 'skandaliso', which is a difficult word to translate as there is no direct equivalent in English. 

It can mean "cause to trip" (literally or morally), "cause to fall away", "take offence at", or "give offence to" (hence the English word 'scandalise').

In this particular passage, it's in the passive mood, so these people are being led astray/ being offended/ being caused to backslide.

So it's not a case of one translation being 'right' and the other 'wrong' - both are attempts to make the sentence make sense in English. This is a common issue in translating any language - there's often more than one possible way to do it.

Great explanation!  Thank you!

[other one]

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of·fend | \ ə-ˈfend

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offended; offending; offends

Definition of offend

 

intransitive verb

1a : to transgress (see transgress sense transitive 1) the moral or divine law : sin if it be a sin to covet honor, I am the most offending soul alive— William Shakespeare

b : to violate a law or rule : do wrong offend against the law

2a : to cause difficulty, discomfort, or injury took off his shoe and removed the offending pebble

b : to cause dislike, anger, or vexation thoughtless words that offend needlessly

transitive verb

1a : violate, transgress a contract not offending a statute … might still be in restraint of trade— C. A. Cooke

b : to cause pain to : hurt tasteless billboards that offend the eye

2 obsolete : to cause to sin or fall

3 : to cause (a person or group) to feel hurt, angry, or upset by something said or done

considering when the KJV was written, there may well not be a difference at all.

At one time offend meant to cause to sin or fall.

[Not of the World]

5 minutes ago, other one said:

considering when the KJV was written, there may well not be a difference at all.

At one time offend meant to cause to sin or fall.

Great point!  I hadn't considered that.  Thank you!

[Dennis1209]

This is where the debate of “what is the best Bible” comes from. It would be too tedious to document and explain it all other than to say:

Some Bibles translate the Hebrew and Greek words as close to their original meanings, writing them out in comprehensive English sentences. Others are written for ease of comprehension, flow, and understanding. Still, others are to modernize with our changing vocabulary and English word meanings. Many are now revised and footnoted since the discovery, study, and translation of the Qumran Dead Sea Scrolls.

IMO the best Bibles are those copies of original manuscripts written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and common Greek. But that requires a good knowledge of the semantics of those languages. That is where excellent lexicons shine to delve deeper into the Word in any good translation.

[Not of the World]

6 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

This is where the debate of “what is the best Bible” comes from. It would be too tedious to document and explain it all other than to say:

Some Bibles translate the Hebrew and Greek words as close to their original meanings, writing them out in comprehensive English sentences. Others are written for ease of comprehension, flow, and understanding. Still, others are to modernize with our changing vocabulary and English word meanings. Many are now revised and footnoted since the discovery, study, and translation of the Qumran Dead Sea Scrolls.

IMO the best Bibles are those copies of original manuscripts written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and common Greek. But that requires a good knowledge of the semantics of those languages. That is where excellent lexicons shine to delve deeper into the Word in any good translation.

Thank you!  I've learned so much from you wise, kind, and generous brothers and sisters in Christ.

[DPMartin]

1 hour ago, Not of the World said:

They don't appear to say the same thing.  Which is correct, please?

 

Matthew 24:10

English Standard Version

 

¹⁰ And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another.

 

Matthew 24:10

King James Version

 

¹⁰ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

it has to be KJV especially in this case, the ESV is a so-called translation lead by Americans, and English is not a American language, it is a British language and therefore the Brits are the first and last on the subject of their own language. The American use of English is not authoritative at all. They all give you that “from Hebrew and Greek” but they are not the authority on the English language.

[OneLight]

Both are translation, as is the below from my Interlinear.

And then many shall be snared, and they shall be giving one another up and hating one another.

How it reads word for word is:

And then they-shall-be-being-snared many and one-another they-shall-be-giving-up and they-shall-be-hating one-another

[Alive]

Regardless--we can all be assured that the Lord via the 'Paraclete' (Helper/Holy Spirit) will indeed teach each of His own just what they need at any particular time. Why can I make that statement? Because He is the Great Shepherd. Its just that simple.

You may not get what you want, but you will get what you need--according to His will for your life.

IMO--the most important beginning and foundation for each of us--is a strong foundation of Christ's work on the Cross, the Resurrection and Ascension and what those things mean to a saint. That sure foundation can prevent many errors and confusion.