Are you saved but believe you would have been damned had you died before you were saved?

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, other one said:

When I look around the world today I have to wonder what they were doing then that they are not doing now.  Maybe something in the heavenly realm, but certainly I don't see anything here on earth.

Before you have not looked in the place where Jesus went to take the Keys from Death and Hades...

Or you did not pay attention as much to the words of Jesus when he announce that all authority has been given to me in Heaven on Earth and in all the things under the Earth. Then maybe you can sing another song.  

[Sower]

25 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In the scriptures we find out that the children of believing parents, even the children of one believing parent are born to Jesus Christ...they are his, they are belonging to him.

Food for thought;

William Ashley "Billy" Sunday (November 19, 1862 – November 6, 1935)  considered the most influential American evangelist during the first two decades of the 20th century.

Sundays' three sons, embarrassed their parents with their errant lifestyles. George was arrested for drunkenness and auto theft before he committed suicide in 1933. Billy Jr. died in an automobile accident in 1938; and Paul, a test pilot, died in an airplane crash in 1944.

[JohnR7]

2 minutes ago, other one said:

When I look around the world today I have to wonder what they were doing then that they are not doing now.  Maybe something in the heavenly realm, but certainly I don't see anything here on earth.

Luke 16:22,23 "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

Matthew 27:55-53 "At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split.  The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.

People no longer go to Abrahams bosom. To be absent from the body is to be present with the lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 

Jesus tells us that all the law is summed up in the golden rule that we are to treat others the way we want others to treat us. Matthew 7:12 “Do to others whatever you would have them do to you. This is the law and the prophets"

[other one]

10 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Before you have not looked in the place where Jesus went to take the Keys from Death and Hades...

Or you did not pay attention as much to the words of Jesus when he announce that all authority has been given to me in Heaven on Earth and in all the things under the Earth. Then maybe you can sing another song.  

I spend hours a day looking at what's going on in the world today and I fail to see where Jesus is exercising that authority on planet earth except on some individual situations....   and as I understand it won't until he comes back in person and takes that authority very violently.

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, Sower said:

Food for thought;

William Ashley "Billy" Sunday (November 19, 1862 – November 6, 1935)  considered the most influential American evangelist during the first two decades of the 20th century.

Sundays' three sons, embarrassed their parents with their errant lifestyles. George was arrested for drunkenness and auto theft before he committed suicide in 1933. Billy Jr. died in an automobile accident in 1938; and Paul, a test pilot, died in an airplane crash in 1944.

I am trying to correctly discern what you are trying to say.

 Because you have not say any comments about what those men believed....

And I am not mistaken you also believe that we are saved from condemnation because we have believed in Jesus Christ. 

That we have forgiveness of sins in the blood of Jesus Christ...

If it so with you why then you have posted this story without any reference to their faith in Jesus Christ...

And the relevant scriptures that say nothing can separate us from the love of Jesus Christ...

Because they way you have posted is like that you have contemn them to Hell while they were believers in Jesus Christ...

Unless you have Judge them as unbelievers by what they did...forgetting that Jesus knows that with the heart man believes unto righteousness...unto his righteousness, because besides our own righteousness we also are in Jesus righteousness...

So did you take into consideration their righteousness in Jesus because of their faith in him, or you just consider their individual righteousness...

[Sower]

Are you saved but believe you would have been damned had you died before you were saved?

Answer; Scripture says you must be born again. Take it up with God, not man.

Amazing how often the same old Calvinistic vs choice debate shows it's ugly head.
It has been debated for hundreds of years, and yet we think we have the answers.
A waste of time, unless you just have to make sure everybody knows where you stand.
I care less who wins. I know the God I believe. And the enemy would have us debate, ferociously, this topic ad nauseam, and create discord.

I believe I will continue to share the good news, no matter how much it has "already been decided" by those that have all the answers.
I do not believe my efforts, as willed by God, will be in vain.....

 

[Alive]

6 minutes ago, other one said:

I spend hours a day looking at what's going on in the world today and I fail to see where Jesus is exercising that authority on planet earth except on some individual situations....   and as I understand it won't until he comes back in person and takes that authority very violently.

I do not profess to know about these things other than taking God at His Word, but perhaps much of His expressed authority as King is in the invisible realm and work in His Body--with angels lending a hand.

[other one]

7 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

Jesus tells us that all the law is summed up in the golden rule that we are to treat others the way we want others to treat us. Matthew 7:12 “Do to others whatever you would have them do to you. This is the law and the prophets"

The general context if this scripture is speaking of gifts.   People want to be treated differently.   Some want opportunities and others want gifts.

I do think we should look at his commandment as a whole::: 

John 13:34-35
 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
NASB

That is very different than treating them as you want to be treated.

[other one]

6 minutes ago, Alive said:

I do not profess to know about these things other than taking God at His Word, but perhaps much of His expressed authority as King is in the invisible realm and work in His Body--with angels lending a hand.

So how's the body doing these days.....     falling away yet to make possible his return.

Satan is alive and well here on planet earth and will be ruling things through people until Jesus returns and locks him up for a thousand years.....    and after that he's coming back for a short time to corrupt the human race again.

It won't be over until he's tossed into hell and that a long time from now.   And we should not be deceived into thinking all can be well here on planet earth as a global whole until he comes back.   Individual people yes, but not global conditions and who is in charge politically.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by other one
edited to add, that we do have the Holy Spirit to guide us individually, and in some ways protect us, but good born again Christians have evil things happen to them and their families.... every day

[JohnR7]

10 minutes ago, other one said:

I understand it won't until he comes back in person

I would like to think His return is symbolic. But the Bible is pretty clear that His feet will touch the ground on the Mount of Olives in the same place He departed. This is a spot where He preached sermons, and you can see the temple mount. There will be an earthquake at the time.