The souls under the altar (Rev. 6:9-11); are they killed before or during the tribulation period?

[truth7t7]

9 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Well, maybe your orthodoxy, and that of some others.

But hardly an official doctrine of any Church that I know of. Certainly not of any pre-Tribbers or pre-Wrathers, who put Christ's return to resurrect the dead well before the 7th trumpet is ever blown.

I have nothing to do with pre trib or wrath

The 7th Angel sounding, the Last Trump and 7th Trump are one and the same, it's that simple

[WilliamL]

5 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The 7th Angel sounding, the Last Trump and 7th Trump are one and the same, it's that simple

That simplistic, anyway...

[Montana Marv]

The 7th trumpet blast comes from an angel  as the prior 6. These all send forth. The last trumpet call of God is his last call for someone.  I say it could be the last  one called into the Bride.  It is the Father who draws people to his Son. Tens of millions of calls. Take  my Son. You will be rewarded. 

In Christ

Montana Marv 

[The Light]

On 3/19/2023 at 6:33 PM, DeighAnn said:

And here is the REAL PROBLEM,

It does fit perfectly as given in the words of God
AS the 7th Trump,
AS the last trump,
AS the trump of God. 

 

This should help.................

The 7th trumpet is blown by an angel at the end of wrath.

The last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets at the 6th seal and is the gathering from heaven and earth.

The trump of God is the voice of God and will signal the rapture of the Church before the seals are opened.

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Says chapter and verses right there in my post, which you apparently didn't bother to read very closely.

Are you saying the Scripture THAT IS IN MY POST is the correct one or that it isn't the correct one?  

It wasn't that I didn't read it, it's that I thought you wrote it wrong because there is NOTHING pre trib in those verses at all.  

 

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

But hardly an official doctrine of any Church that I know of. Certainly not of any pre-Tribbers or pre-Wrathers, who put Christ's return to resurrect the dead well before the 7th trumpet is ever blown.

So, are the dead resurrected two times also?  If so, please list them


so I can see which verses you are putting with the first resurrection of the dead,


\and which verses go to the 2nd resurrection of the dead. 

BECAUSE it can't be 1 THESS 4 because that is about THOSE who have died (don't sorrow like the heathen) and risen like Christ (even so them) returning at the 2nd ADVENT, WITH CHRIST.  


Are you saying there that the pre trib

HAS CHRIST RETURNING TWICE,

THE DEAD RISING TWICE AND

THE ALIVE AND REMAINING BEING CHANGED TWICE ALSO? 

[DeighAnn]

18 minutes ago, The Light said:

This should help.................

The 7th trumpet is blown by an angel at the end of wrath.

The last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets at the 6th seal and is the gathering from heaven and earth.

The trump of God is the voice of God and will signal the rapture of the Church before the seals are opened.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE THAT GREAT AND NOTABLE DAY OF THE LORD" Acts 2:20 KJV


"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD." Joel 2:31 KJV


"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;" Revelation 6:12 KJV


THE SIXTH SEAL IS OPENED AND THE MOON BECOMES BLOOD.  

THE MOON BECOMES BLOOD BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD



BUT YOU SAY, that is INCORRECT, THE TRUTH IS

THE MOON BECOMES BLOOD NOT BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD AT ALL,
BUT ON THE DAY OF THE LORD


Meaning you ARE YOU SAYING both PAUL AND JOEL BOTH GOT IT WRONG?  

So I find myself YET AGAIN,

BELIEVING WHAT IS WRITTEN, EXACTLY HOW IT IS WRITTEN

YET BEING TOLD I AM THE ONE WHO HAS IT INCORRECT?  


 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

BUT YOU SAY, that is INCORRECT, THE TRUTH IS

THE MOON BECOMES BLOOD NOT BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD AT ALL,
BUT ON THE DAY OF THE LORD


Meaning you ARE YOU SAYING both PAUL AND JOEL BOTH GOT IT WRONG?  

So I find myself YET AGAIN,

BELIEVING WHAT IS WRITTEN, EXACTLY HOW IT IS WRITTEN

YET BEING TOLD I AM THE ONE WHO HAS IT INCORRECT?  


 

Could you post my quote where I say that the moon becomes blood on the day of the Lord? I'd like to read that.

[DeighAnn]

21 minutes ago, The Light said:

Could you post my quote where I say that the moon becomes blood on the day of the Lord? I'd like to read that.

YOU SAID "The last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets at the 6th seal and is the gathering from heaven and earth".


"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;" Revelation 6:12 KJV


Did the Feast of Trumpets fall 'under the law'?  How do you go from there to the pre trib rapture?

COULD YOU TELL ME WHERE TO FIND
'THE LAST TRUMP IS BLOWN ON THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS?'

"Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts." Leviticus 23:2 KJV

"These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons." Leviticus 23:4 KJV

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation." Leviticus 23:24 KJV


"These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:" Leviticus 23:37 KJV


"Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God." Numbers 10:10 KJV


"And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you." Numbers 29:1 KJV




"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." Revelation 11:15 KJV
 

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

So,how could  more people DIE in the next 7 years?  there couldn't be an 'trib saints' to raise up..........



 

[The Light]

20 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

So,how could  more people DIE in the next 7 years?  there couldn't be an 'trib saints' to raise up..........



 

Maybe you can make something out of this.......but ......maybe not.

 

1 Thes 4 The Lord Himself comes. The dead in Christ rise first. After that event the alive Church is caught up. = Trump of God = Voice of God = Days of Noah = Before the seals are opened

1 Cor 15 He sends His angels for the gathering from heaven and earth. Those that rise from the dead and the alive are changed at the same time, in the twinkling of an eye = Last Trump = Daniel 12:1-3 = Revelation 14:14-19 = Matthew 24:29-31 = 6th seal = Days of Lot = Before the wrath of God begins.

Revelation 11:15 = 7th trumpet blown by an angel = 7th vial = The wrath of God is over.