Pre-Adamic World: Fact or Fiction

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Alive said:

I have posted my thoughts on that stuff somewhere around here.

You can't give me an answer even if its I don't know, or I'm studying the subject? Okay, I won't press you on the issue. I'm an old man who can't keep track of everyone's theology.

[Vine Abider]

37 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

You're attributing human attributes to God.

True, but on the other hand we're made in His image and likeness, and have His Spirit in us as the anointing, showing us things . . .  But of course, still swimming in the cesspool we're in, we see murkily at best.

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Did Lucifer and his followers sin before Adam did?

If so, then this does open up possibilities...I confess not to know, but I have to admit to possibilites.

So, your logic is not sound.

If claiming the gap in Gen 1:1 and 1:2 yes … Adam wasn’t even created yet.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

True, but on the other hand we're made in His image and likeness, and have His Spirit in us as the anointing, showing us things . . .  But of course, still swimming in the cesspool we're in, we see murkily at best.

We are subject to sin and death.  God is not.

[teddyv]

I guess one has to decide whether Genesis 1 is only specific to the created order, and not making references to essentially supernatural occurrences. Scripture certainly hints at these other elements but not with enough detail to move beyond speculation (as to a chronological timescale).

I'd agree with our more literalist brethren (gasp!), that the evidence for the gap is not strong from the basic written words. I can understand why gappers would place it where it is.

I don't agree with either sides however. But that's been covered elsewhere.

[David1701]

3 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Okay, a little more dialog here addressing this, then . . .

1.  Do you think there was absolute nothingness (and no created beings) before Genesis 1:2 . . . that is, do you think God existed in a sort of vacuum prior to that

2. Yes, sin entering through Adam impacted all his descendants - how could that possibly impact any that were theoretically before Adam?

1. The Bible says that God created the heavens and the Earth, before he created light.  At this point, the Earth was unformed and unfilled. The Spirit of God was hovering over the great deep, in the darkness.  God then created a light source (not the sun) and there was morning/evening - Day One of the creation week.

2. Sin entered the world through Adam.  It's not only why we die, but it's why animals die.  Death is a consequence of Adam's sin and before that, there was no death of man or other life with a soul (this includes animals but not plants).

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

Wow - that's great insight!!!

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil only gave its knowledge when its fruit was consumed.

[David1701]

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Then there is the issue with Cain being  concerned about being killed and ask God about it.

Clearly, Adam and Eve had had other sons and daughters before that.  They lived a loooong time, in those days.

[Alive]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

If claiming the gap in Gen 1:1 and 1:2 yes … Adam wasn’t even created yet.

This makes no sense as a response to what I suggested. Perhaps you could try to be more clear…in context.

[BeyondET]

59 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Clearly, Adam and Eve had had other sons and daughters before that.  They lived a loooong time, in those days.

It doesn't say before that, though scripture mentions having children after that.