Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[dad2]

24 minutes ago, George said:

I believe your reading the text incorrectly.  It's not AFTER Jesus returns they come ... it WHEN they return He comes.  

Same thing basically. In other words when they get saved and see Him whom they pierced and mourn as for an only son etc. That was not 1948. The issue is not if Jesus returns an hour or a day after they get saved, or simultaneously etc.

24 minutes ago, George said:

This judgment for Israel’s unbelief will someday be reversed: “For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’” This statement has been understood in three main ways. The first is that “Blessed is He . . .” is a cry of a reluctant and unsaved Israel at the time of its judgment. Allegedly, Israel will be forced to acknowledge Jesus is the Messiah. John Calvin stated, “He [Jesus] will not come to them [the Jews] until they cry out in fear—too late—at the sight of His Majesty.”[464] But this view is unnecessarily pessimistic. As Graham Stanton points out, “the difficulty with this interpretation is that Psalm 118.26 which is cited in Matthew 23.39 is surely an expression of joyful praise rather than of fear or mourning.”[465] Jesus quotes Psalm 118:26a, which is positive concerning Israel’s relationship to God. The last part of Psalm 118:26 states, “We have blessed you from the house of the Lord.” This is a happy and willing declaration from people who know the Lord, not the words of a reluctant group on their way to judgment. Craig Evans claims, “The rabbis understood Psalm 118:26 in reference to the day of redemption.”[466] This negative judgment view also conflicts with various Scripture passages like Zechariah 12:10 and Romans 11:26–27 which speak of a coming positive response of the nation Israel to her Messiah.

From He will reign forever.

God bless,

George 

They will be happy to be saved as we are. As for Matt 23 that is a general statement. It doesn't really tell us the exact timing of Israel getting saved. 

[dad2]

17 minutes ago, Alive said:

I see it this way as well. To me it is simple. When the time of the gentiles is fullfilled, He will lift the veil and they will see. How it happens is up for grabs. Scripture is crystal clear on many things, but we do not get all details….yet.

Right, in other words around the end of the tribulation. I was not thinking it was after He was already landed.

[Selah7]

Here’s my understanding.

Israel will be restored when Jesus Christ returns (the Day of the Lord), at which time, the millennium begins:

Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy People and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

In the verse above, there will be six things that will occur before the transgression is completed upon Jerusalem. Then Jesus will return to set up His millennial kingdom on earth, and the transgressions will be no more.  This will be that glorious time when our Lord Jesus Christ is anointed in the most holy place—in Jerusalem.  It’s evident that each of the things listed above still exist and will continue to exist until the end of the tribulation period when at the 7th trump, the King of kings returns! 

Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times."

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Selah7
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[Alive]

3 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Right, in other words around the end of the tribulation. I was not thinking it was after He was already landed.

Full disclosure….I do not place that time in the context of ‘tribulation’ od any sort. I just do not know. I try to stick with what I do know and leave speculation to others.

[dad2]

10 minutes ago, Alive said:

Full disclosure….I do not place that time in the context of ‘tribulation’ od any sort. I just do not know. I try to stick with what I do know and leave speculation to others.

 

The general idea of that last seven year period is that it is the time of Jacob's trouble. It is to deal with the Jewish people and bring them to repentance through horrible judgments and events. They do finally get saved in the end. We know it is close to the time Jesus returns. So the time is totally centered on the tribulation.

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, dad2 said:

I do not agree that Israel is not Israel, the Jewish people.

What does that mean?
 

[dad2]

14 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Here’s my understanding.

Israel will be restored when Jesus Christ returns (the Day of the Lord), at which time, the millennium begins:

Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy People and upon thy holy city, to finesh the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

In the verse above, there will be six things that will occur before the transgression is completed upon Jerusalem. Then Jesus will return to set up His millennial kingdom on earth, and the transgressions will be no more.  This will be that glorious time when our Lord Jesus Christ is anointed in the most holy place—in Jerusalem.  It’s evident that each of the things listed above still exist and will continue to exist until the end of the tribulation period when at the 7th trump, the King of kings returns! 

Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times."

 

 

Right. And we cannot say that already happened in 1948

[dad2]

Just now, DeighAnn said:

What does that mean?
 

Well it means that Israel is not Christians or Muslims or Buddhists. It is the people of the promise.

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

Yes,  it's a partial fulfillment of prophecy ( because the Jews didn't have their own lands for 1900 years ), but it's ultimate fulfillment  ( of total peace and prosperity  ) is still yet future. 

[DeighAnn]

Just now, dad2 said:

Right. And we cannot say that already happened in 1948

Was there a nation called Israel before it went into captivity?  Is there a nation called Israel now?  Has there ever been a nation in the time between the two?