Why did Paul circumcised Timothy ?

[R. Hartono]

All apostles' assembly at Jerusalem was to discuss the circumcision, the Law which Peter said "Why do you test the God by placing the yoke on the neck of the gentiles which neither we or our ancestors were able to bear" (Acts 15:10). 

So why did Paul circumcise Timothy in Acts 16 just to please the Jews because Tim's mama was a Jews ?

Or is it still a must that a Messianic Jews must be circumcised ? 

If circumcision is not necessary for salvation of gentile what different for the Jews ? 

Peter and Barnabas also tried to please the Jews but Paul rebuked them. 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians 2%3A11-21&version=GNT

There are 613 Mitzvot of Torah you take all or leave all. So for what goodness was that for Timothy ?

Edited January 23, 2023 by R. Hartono

[other one]

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1 Cor 9:19-23

19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. 20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, though not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, that I might win those who are without law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. 23 And I do all things for the sake of the gospel, that I may become a fellow partaker of it.
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I would think so that he could better preach to the Jews and be more effective where they were going.

[Neighbor]

3 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

All apostles' assembly at Jerusalem was to discuss the circumcision, the Law which Peter said "Why do you test the God by puting the yoke on the neck of the gentiles which neither we or our ancestors were able to bear" (Acts 15:10). 

So why did Paul circumcise Timothy in Acts 16 just to please the Jews because Tim's mama was a Jews ?

Or is it still a must that a Messianic Jews must be circumcised ? 

There are 613 Mitzvot of Torah you take all or leave all. So for what goodness was that for Timothy ?

My Bible is very clear as to why.

"Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek.  He was well spoken of by the brothers at Lystra and Iconium.  Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him, and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.  As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions that had been reached by the apostles and elders who were in Jerusalem.  So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and they increased in numbers daily."

 

The second two questions seem tome to be  unrelated to the purpose of his circumcision. 

Did someone at any Messianic congregational that you may have attended meeting ever check out the males?  ???

Karaite Jews might disagree with the statement that 613 commands are a take it or leave it proposition. They reject that, far as I understand., doing so to this day.

[Neighbor]

Just now, Neighbor said:

My Bible is very clear as to why.

"Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek.  He was well spoken of by the brothers at Lystra and Iconium.  Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him, and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.  As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions that had been reached by the apostles and elders who were in Jerusalem.  So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and they increased in numbers daily."

 

The second two questions seem to me to be  unrelated to the purpose of Timothy's circumcision. 

Did someone at any Messianic congregational gathering/worship that you may have attended meeting ever check out the males?  ???

Karaite Jews might disagree with the statement that 613 commands are a take it or leave it proposition. They reject that, far as I understand., doing so to this day.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I see it the same way Neighbor does, and IIRC being considered a Jew in the eyes of other Jews was dependent on your mother being Jewish, not your father. When the New Testament talks about circumcision being unnecessary there's a very specific context for it. It's often Paul emphasizing that salvation isn't dependent on it. At the time and in certain places there were groups saying that it was essential for salvation.

[R. Hartono]

4 hours ago, other one said:

I would think so that he could better preach to the Jews and be more effective where they were going.

Peter and Barnabas also tried to please the Jews like that but rebuked by Paul. Wasnt that Paul who tried to please the Jews first by circumcising Timothy ?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians 2%3A11-21&version=GNT 

@Neighbor 

@AnOrangeCat

[R. Hartono]

3 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said:

When the New Testament talks about circumcision being unnecessary there's a very specific context for it. 

What context ? 

Circumcision did not and never make mankind holy.

[AnOrangeCat]

5 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

What context ? 

The exact context I mentioned in my post. Some people back at the time were teaching that circumcision was required for salvation.

[Roymond]

On 1/21/2023 at 1:22 PM, R. Hartono said:

Peter and Barnabas also tried to please the Jews like that but rebuked by Paul. Wasnt that Paul who tried to please the Jews first by circumcising Timothy ?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians 2%3A11-21&version=GNT 

@Neighbor 

@AnOrangeCat

One was so that Jews might listen to the Gospel.

The other was because Jewish believers were screwing up the Gospel.

[R. Hartono]

On 1/29/2023 at 9:56 AM, Roymond said:

One was so that Jews might listen to the Gospel.

The other was because Jewish believers were screwing up the Gospel.

Which Gospel is it that force circumcision as part of Salvation ?

Which Gospel is it that teach people to separate from gentile ?