Scripture for our time

[Mike Mclees]

24 minutes ago, other one said:

that's because the beast kills us all for not taking the mark.

I don't see that anywhere in Matt 24. Before you think you know something you need to know something. The New Testament speaks to the New Testament church only. Who was Jesus talking to in verse 21. Who was asking Jesus the questions in Matt 24. Was it not the disciples ? Wasn't Jesus talking to the disciples (His Church)? Lord help us!

Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman who need not to be ashamed, but rightly dividing the word of truth.  2nd Timothy 3:5

Edited February 16, 2023 by Mike Mclees

[AdHoc]

30 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

I don't see that anywhere in Matt 24. Before you think you know something you need to know something. The New Testament speaks to the New Testament church only. Who was Jesus talking to in verse 21. Who was asking Jesus the questions in Matt 24. Was it not the disciples ? Wasn't Jesus talking to the disciples (His Church)? Lord help us!

Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman who need not to be ashamed, but rightly dividing the word of truth.  2nd Timothy 3:5

You're right. The New Testament is directed at the disciple of Jesus. But in the scheme of things when Jesus is Lord and King of this earth, Israel has a very important role - God's honor. He made Covenants with them and He made promises to them. If He does not fulfill them, (i) He will be declared impotent instead of the ALL_mighty, and (ii) a God Who does not keep His Word.

So, for instance, in Romans, Paul builds a case for BOTH Jew and Gentile caught in sin and sins. The Jew will answer that he has the Law. Paul counters in Chapter 7 that the Law can only condemn, and gives the answer in Chapter 8. But immediately the reader will doubt, for the Bible, and history, show that Israel did not take the way in Romans Chapter 8. This should mean the end of Israel, but no, God moves Paul to spend THREE Chapters, 9, 10 and 11, all on how Israel will be recovered.

It is of high interest to the disciple of Jesus, how Jehovah upholds His Words.

So also with prophecy. In Daniel, chapters 2 to 7 are written in Aramaic. Daniel is addressing and prophesying to the Gentile kings. But who will study it in the end - the disciple of Jesus. In Matthew 24 Israel and events pertaining to them are in view, but they are for the informing of the disciples of Jesus.

[Mr. M]

4 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

Matt 24:12 

and because iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold but he that shall endure unto the end thee same shall be save

 

I notice that when the Lord says

"the love of many shall wax cold", 

the word agape is used,

which the Lord uses for "love of God",

and "love each other as I have loved you".

Therefore, this is not the condition of the world,

it is the condition of the church.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the

coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering

together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken

in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word

or by letter, as if from us, as though

the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you

by any means; for that Day will not come unless

the falling away comes first, and the man of sin

is revealed, the son of perdition.

[other one]

1 hour ago, Mike Mclees said:

Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman who need not to be ashamed, but rightly dividing the word of truth.  2nd Timothy 3:5

I'm taking that as an insult FYI    and scripture abuse at that.

[Mike Mclees]

1 hour ago, other one said:

I'm taking that as an insult FYI    and scripture abuse at that.

I never heard any  answer about when the Great Tribulation begins. 

Edited February 16, 2023 by Mike Mclees

[other one]

1 hour ago, Mike Mclees said:

I never heard any  answer about when the Great Tribulation begins. 

I don't believe I had anything to say about that....

[Mike Mclees]

3 hours ago, other one said:

I don't believe I had anything to say about that....

Why not?  You believe pre- trib is a true doctrine don't you?

[Mike Mclees]

11 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

Why not?  You believe pre- trib is a true doctrine don't you?

Very well since you have no answer I will answer for you. Jesus quoted the prophet Danel in Daniel 9: 27. Daniel 9:27 tells us plainly about the abomination of Desolation which is when the Antichrist stands on the porch of Temple in Jerusalem  and declares that he is God. which causes the abomination of desolation. This broke the mentioned 7&1/2 year peace that was mentioned as being mid point of the  peace. (3&1/2 years. This tells us the Great tribulation begins not at the final 7 years but 3&1/2 years later and marks the last 3&1/2 years as being the Great Tribulation. 

Lets go back to Daniel again at verse 7:25 and I will quote. 

and he ( the antichrist) shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints (the church) of the Most High for a time , times and a 1/2 times (3&1/2 years.. So we see Great tribulation is not 7 years ,but 3:&1/2 years. So why now does the pre- tribulationist say Great Tribulation is 7 years? 

[other one]

13 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

Why not?  You believe pre- trib is a true doctrine don't you?

no....   there are some hints that some people take to mean that, but I personally don't see it.   I think the beast and his actions is what sends folks to the spirit world so to speak (physical death),   but I do hold out to be ready to go should I be wrong...

I have made myself spiritually ready to tell the beast, "No, I will not bow to you nor worship any of the beasts or it's image."    Dying isn't a big deal when you are 75, you just hope it doesn't hurt too much.     I watched my dad die from spread prostate cancer in such pain he couldn't stand it, so having one's head chopped off really isn't that big of a deal....    Kind of messy, but I won't mind.  LoL

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

On 2/16/2023 at 9:05 AM, Mike Mclees said:

Lets be reminded. These scripture came to me while praying this morning. I thought I should post them.

Matt 24:12 

and because iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold but he that shall endure unto the end thee same shall be save

2nd Tim 3 

This know that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall become lovers of their own selves, covetous ,boasters , proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy without natural affection, truce breakers false accusers, incontinent , fierce, despisers of those who are good.

Traitors, heady high-minded, lovers of pleasure more that lovers of God, have ing a form of godliness denying the power thereof. From such turn away 

I'm uncertain what you're trying to say here. These things listed have always been around. There is nothing going on now that wasn't always going on before.