What does it take 'to Believe'?

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Selah7 said:

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

- Romans 8:28-30

THANK YOU, been looking for this verse...

Those whom then He predestined, these also He called and whom He called, these also He justified, whom then He justified, these also He glorified


1392. doxazó ►
Strong's Concordance
doxazó: to render or esteem glorious (in a wide application)
Original Word: δοξάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: doxazó
Phonetic Spelling: (dox-ad'-zo)
Definition: to render or esteem glorious (in a wide application)
Usage: I glorify, honor, bestow glory on.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1392 doksázō (from 1391 /dóksa, "glory") – glorify; properly, to ascribe weight by recognizing real substance (value). See 1391 (doksa).

"Glorifying (1392 /doksázō) God" means valuing Him for who He really is. For example, "giving (ascribing) glory to God" personally acknowledges God in His true character (essence).

FOR

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, AND there is a spiritual body.

 

[Selah7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Sorry, I don't retain what goes with what names so I am thinking Calvinist is the some are predestined others not?  OK, I have no idea, just guessing from the topic.  

So, should I start it or do you want to? 

Lol, I’m not a Calvinist; I’m a Bible-ist.  In Romans 8:29, God said it. 

[Alive]

22 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Lol, I’m not a Calvinist; I’m a Bible-ist.  In Romans 8:29, God said it. 

AMen! And He also said these things.

John 6:37 (NKJVS) All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

John 6:39 (NKJVS) This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

John 10:29 (NKJVS) My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

John 6:44 (NKJVS) No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

ANd later for emphasis our LOrd repeats this.

⁶⁵ And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

[farouk]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

THANK YOU, been looking for this verse...

Those whom then He predestined, these also He called and whom He called, these also He justified, whom then He justified, these also He glorified


1392. doxazó ►
Strong's Concordance
doxazó: to render or esteem glorious (in a wide application)
Original Word: δοξάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: doxazó
Phonetic Spelling: (dox-ad'-zo)
Definition: to render or esteem glorious (in a wide application)
Usage: I glorify, honor, bestow glory on.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1392 doksázō (from 1391 /dóksa, "glory") – glorify; properly, to ascribe weight by recognizing real substance (value). See 1391 (doksa).

"Glorifying (1392 /doksázō) God" means valuing Him for who He really is. For example, "giving (ascribing) glory to God" personally acknowledges God in His true character (essence).

FOR

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, AND there is a spiritual body.

 

@DeighAnn Romans 8 is a tremendous chapter which has strengthened the faith of countless believers......

[Sower]

33 minutes ago, Alive said:

AMen! And He also said these things.

John 6:37 (NKJVS) All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

John 6:39 (NKJVS) This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

John 10:29 (NKJVS) My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

John 6:44 (NKJVS) No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

ANd later for emphasis our LOrd repeats this.

⁶⁵ And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

Amen.

You can't argue with scripture!

But I can have have a much different understanding about what God has said there.

And don't have to agree with what's popular, nor accepted, by men.

When we finally know as we are known, I think we are all going to be surprised.

God's way's are not man's. I have learned to accept that.

How we are 'reborn' is of less importance than my tiniest obedience.

And continuing to abide, in Him, moment by moment, day by day.

Would rather know how to (my) function in the body, than guess how my God designed it.

But it is entertaining to watch so many various assertions about God..........

 

 

 

[Alive]

13 minutes ago, Sower said:

Amen.

You can't argue with scripture!

But I can have have a much different understanding about what God has said there.

And don't have to agree with what's popular, nor accepted, by men.

When we finally know as we are known, I think we are all going to be surprised.

God's way's are not man's. I have learned to accept that.

How we are 'reborn' is of less importance than my tiniest obedience.

And continuing to abide, in Him, moment by moment, day by day.

Would rather know how to (my) function in the body, than guess how my God designed it.

But it is entertaining to watch so many various assertions about God..........

 

 

 

I do not disagree with where the importance lies. As far as 'understanding' what scripture means, the best course of action is to first consult what the entirety of scripture says about a things, understand and come to know the God of the scriptures Himself and to have been molded to a position of a willingness to be wrong. Or more clearly, to a place where we no longer hold too dearly the things we hold dearly.

All of us have beliefs whose origins have not been examined. The best lesson I learned was leaned when taking much time to examine what I believed and just how I came to believe them.

:-)

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Selah7 said:

Lol, I’m not a Calvinist; I’m a Bible-ist.  In Romans 8:29, God said it. 

Absolutely!!!  It is written...first words of the Ministry of Jesus

[Marathoner]

It's good to see our brother @Alive on the forum again. 

You bring up something that resonates with me, my friend: the Lord brings us to a place where we witness our limitations in the illumination of His Holy Spirit. Indeed, that's part of the work He started when I was destitute for many years. 

Ah, I was wrong about everything. Utterly mistaken! I didn't understand this flesh. I lived from one moment to the next, walking only by what these eyes of flesh could perceive, forgetting the words of the Lord who preserved me for His purpose. 

The Lord does not declare His love, only to withdraw His love because times are dark and hard. I was misled into believing that my walk with Jesus Christ ought to proceed according to what I was taught, so little wonder that I despaired when it seemed that the Lord not only abandoned me, but He despised me as well. 

It must be on account of sin my part! It wasn't.

I wasn't trying hard enough! No. His work has nothing to do with our efforts. 

I'm a stupid man. Yes, that must be it! Sigh... my dimness is common to us all. That wasn't it, either. 

I had forgotten the words of the Lord. I was walking by sight, not faith. I couldn't grasp what the Lord required of me, so I walked in ignorance of His purpose and will. Yes, I was a babe in Christ. 

This was according to His will. Along the way, every dearly-held belief was stripped away to the point where I would see a house cat and declare, "This cat is wise compared to me!" 

We are clay, and the Lord is the Potter. 

[Neighbor]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

A, from a most interesting if not a favorite passage!

Just to share a little fun, below is a link to  English transliterations from different Bible versions. I tend to like  at least peeking in  on the Amplified Bible Version when I want a little help understanding a word's meaning/use

Example: the use of the word  glorified in this case.

https://www.biblehub.com/romans/8-30.htm

[Sower]

51 minutes ago, Alive said:

I do not disagree with where the importance lies. As far as 'understanding' what scripture means, the best course of action is to first consult what the entirety of scripture says about a things, understand and come to know the God of the scriptures Himself and to have been molded to a position of a willingness to be wrong. Or more clearly, to a place where we no longer hold too dearly the things we hold dearly.

All of us have beliefs whose origins have not been examined. The best lesson I learned was leaned when taking much time to examine what I believed and just how I came to believe them.

:-)

"molded to a position of a willingness to be wrong"

From birth and for thirty years in the RCC dogma teachings, then receiving truth/light at a funeral, going to my bible (40+ yrs ago) and finding the truth, I have never had a problem with coming to a new understanding that was confirmed by my spirit. 

What I see in the last few decade though, mostly on the forums, is the vast amount of differences on understanding/interpreting/misinterpreting scripture.
So who is fully correct?

Some popular doctrines are still debated/unsolved by high ranking theological experts, for hundreds of years. Don't think it will be solved here any time soon.  I do not want to "pick" the winner just to be comfortable/at rest. I leave that to God my spirit within. I say who cares, God knows, good enough. Press on.

I do believe in rightly dividing the word, and being approved in good study. But my scripture subjects are more basic, the how to in my walk. (Rubber on the road stuff)

The discussing/learning better about temptation-sin-taking thoughts captive-the full armor-abiding-knowing God-being my part in the local body-forgiveness-encouragement-washing feet-planting seed and sharing the good news-  etc etc, is more my focus. I want to increase my ability to simply 'do the right thing' in regards to my walk. Better steward of what I do know.....The light I do have.

Don't need to pull my hair out about end times dates when and where and how, God's method as to who's name is written in the 'book', and a bazillion other things (my) enemy enjoys to see me get caught up in to keep me from studying/walking worthy as his (chosen:) child.

But I still enjoy watching the debates ensuing here, hoping they remain civil, remembering the hundreds of lurkers and seekers watching/hearing us.