Corruptors and their families must be put to death.

[R. Hartono]

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

What has the Lord commanded us to do, then?

You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may certainly rebuke your neighbor, but you are not to incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance, nor hold any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord. (Leviticus 19:17-18 NASB)

One of the scribes came up and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:28-31 NASB)

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all people will know that you are My disciples: if you have love for one another.” (John 13:34-35 NASB)

Don't hate. Do not take vengeance, nor hold a grudge. Love your neighbor as yourself. 

As for the identity of our enemies, @R. Hartono? 

Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 6:10-12 NASB)

Men and women aren't our enemies. Our enemies are spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. The Old Covenant is not naturally discerned for the natural man is at enmity with the Spirit of God. What Joshua and the children did in the promised land was both a shadow and a type of our struggle against spiritual forces. Don't twist scripture to conform to hatred and a desire for vengeance.

I need to tell you Marathoner, this country was colonized for 350 years by the Dutch, abused, raped, robbed, made illiterate and stupid, malnutrition and genocide. There was no Moses sent by God to free the people and killed the oppressors at the bottom of the sea.

Thank God we Christians are able to live in liberty by the heroic battle defeating the Dutch. 

With such attitude like yours howbeit wickedness can be exterminated. You have blind loving attitude without looking at situation. God said Thou shall not kill or steal and what shall happen if we let that happens ? Nations Will perish in turmoil and slavery and colonization and genocides. Like Most European nations colonized other world for many centuries, they kill and steal. You want to love them ? They wont repent and return. Unless they are being fought and get killed and defeated.

Christian Law officers / police or soldiers must defend their nation from inside or outside. Punishment by law is Made to teach lesson that people may fear and repent. Not by blind love forgiving and letting go all crimes unpunished.....

I believe Joshua is a wise man besides also loving all his people.

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by R. Hartono

[ayin jade]

But you speak of killing not only those who committed crimes but also their families. How would that make you any better than those you speak against?

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Joshua was commanded by Father, it has got nothing to do with Hitler.

Joshua did not have anything to do with Hitler and was obeying God, but your ideas are not the same and do not go along with the Jesus taught.

[R. Hartono]

14 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

But you speak of killing not only those who committed crimes but also their families. How would that make you any better than those you speak against?

I was following Joshua example, are you saying that God is wrong ? And Joshua is cruel ? 

God commanded Achan family to be killed as well, if it cant be Made as example then for what purpose ? Why cant we use this lesson from God to teach this world, thats all i'm trying to say.

@OneLight 

Thank God the Law of this nation also punish the family of corruptors who get involved in hiding corrupted money. Not thanking you. That people may fear to steal. 

The world should follow this example shown by God. Are you wiser than Joshua ?

Edited March 16, 2023 by R. Hartono

[NConly]

21 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Nations have Law to obey, so far only the chicom executed corruptors and jail their families, thats why China can grow to be a wealthy nations but still corruptions are many in china, thieves always try to steal. 

To love our enemies doesnt mean corruptors are exempted from law. If they dare to steal although the law gives death sentence then they challenge death blatantly and must be punished by Law. 

If we just forgive all crimes what Will become of nations ? Total riot and disorder and poverty. So God via Joshua has given an example. 

@Marathoner 

@OneLight 

 

 

When I was in Saudi Arabia I rented a room in hotel and the floor only had one Bathroom at end of the hall. As I was going to shower and had all my personal items some one ask why are you taking those items with you? I said my room has no lock on the door and they said you can leave those items in your room If anyone steals we cut off their hands. They wont steel here.

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, NConly said:

When I was in Saudi Arabia I rented a room in hotel and the floor only had one Bathroom at end of the hall. As I was going to shower and had all my personal items some one ask why are you taking those items with you? I said my room has no lock on the door and they said you can leave those items in your room If anyone steals we cut off their hands. They wont steel here.

If that good Law is applied globally there Will be many people without hands. But people Will live better.

Edited March 16, 2023 by R. Hartono

[OneLight]

36 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

I was following Joshua example, are you saying that God is wrong ? And Joshua is cruel ? 

God commanded Achan family to be killed as well, if it cant be Made as example then for what purpose ? Why cant we use this lesson from God to teach this world, thats all i'm trying to say.

@OneLight 

Thank God the Law of this nation also punish the family of corruptors who get involved in hiding corrupted money. Not thanking you. That people may fear to steal. 

The world should follow this example shown by God. Are you wiser than Joshua ?

Never met the man, so how can I answer?  You must know Jesus.  Are you wiser than Him?

[FJK]

36 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

If that Law is applied globally there Will be many people without hands.

And far fewer thieves.

[ayin jade]

In the gospels Jesus spoke of someone whose debt was forgiven but who then refused to forgive the debts owed him. Jesus condemned that action.

That is what you are doing. Refusing to forgive and instead demanding the innocent lives of families be cut down.

[Ghostdog]

how far does family go? immidiate family? extended family? christian are a family as we are brothers and sisters in the lord so if one of us doe commit a crime do we all have to be killed? an eye for an eye is never a good thing