Women Pastors

[DeighAnn]

19 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Yes,I believe you are right

It's funny ,there is not many things I'm ever " on the fence" about but this is one for sure.... I do know of & do know many women who have been and are Called into leadership positions--- still ,as TrueFollower has explained " yes to preach but not in Authority over men" (;he said it much better than In relaying but I can't quote on this device)- then MrM gave Joyce Meyer as a perfect example and how her husband( her Authority) supports her fully....I get both their positions and do not disagree with them

I like what you are saying- it's WHO God Calls for His Purpose and no doubt their position will align perfectly with Scripture

My church has a woman Pastor,single,never been married- she never assumes the role of Authority OVER any of the elder men-you can see everyone in their respective place -;it's pretty Amazing really (still I'm not so comfortable,I think missing Pastor who died might be part of that?)

Thanks for sharing

Morning Kwik, 

The side of me that does agree with you is I don't think women should be above that AS IN when a bunch of men (the elders) assemble to do whatever they do for 'church', I don't think women should be a part of that, 
NOT because they are not qualified or are lacking in ANYTHING, but I think it has to do with the dynamics of men being able to speak with other men as men and the changes that take place amongst the men when a woman or two is put in the mix.

I think men resolve differences better when not in the presence of a woman.  I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG and these are just opinions, but I have no convictions from it,  so feel God is good with me believing this way, 
 
for now anyhow. 

God bless you and have a wonderful day!!!

[Mr. M]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

I perfect example or illustrating or pointing to the position that this stuff be dealt with locally.

It sounds wishy washy, but this is why along with my last post's content, that I do not take a rigid doctrinal position. on the OP's topic.

Paul's letters are perfectly adaptable to the home church environment that defined the meetings in Corinth. Large congregations cannot allow "all to prophesy". I came up in a large congregation, but we also met house to house during the week, and the Spirit moves with our commitment to the instructions Paul gave. Since "there is no male or female" in Christ, the concern is clearly protecting the relationship between husband and wife, not rigidly defining doctrine.

[kwikphilly]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

Morning Kwik, 

The side of me that does agree with you is I don't think women should be above that AS IN when a bunch of men (the elders) assemble to do whatever they do for 'church', I don't think women should be a part of that, 
NOT because they are not qualified or are lacking in ANYTHING, but I think it has to do with the dynamics of men being able to speak with other men as men and the changes that take place amongst the men when a woman or two is put in the mix.

I think men resolve differences better when not in the presence of a woman.  I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG and these are just opinions, but I have no convictions from it,  so feel God is good with me believing this way, 
 
for now anyhow. 

God bless you and have a wonderful day!!!

I get it & I quite agree .. 👍

[kwikphilly]

2 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Morning Kwik, 

The side of me that does agree with you is I don't think women should be above that AS IN when a bunch of men (the elders) assemble to do whatever they do for 'church', I don't think women should be a part of that, 
NOT because they are not qualified or are lacking in ANYTHING, but I think it has to do with the dynamics of men being able to speak with other men as men and the changes that take place amongst the men when a woman or two is put in the mix.

I think men resolve differences better when not in the presence of a woman.  I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG and these are just opinions, but I have no convictions from it,  so feel God is good with me believing this way, 
 
for now anyhow. 

God bless you and have a wonderful day!!!

Lol---- yes "for now",I like that!

[Alive]

8 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

I sooooo agree and many a situation is very very different- like my church Pastor,she lives alone,single,never married( not for everyone,as Paul's own life was not for everyone)

This is really good stuff ,I just don't like when 1 Cor 14 gets used to support personal points of view - an important point to realize was the Church at Corinth must've been a disorderly bunch- the confusion was not about women's roles but about disrespectfully speaking out in church with their husbands standing there(;who does this?,lol) and speaking in tongues with no one to interpret,prophesying all at once- sounds like a free for all,lol.  It's often really taken out of context,don't you agree?

Yup--this really is at the crux of this oft debated subject among ministry.

We know Corinth was a real mess, so how much was the Holy Spirit through Paul addressing local problems and not to be taken universally.

We can't know for sure....again, this is why it ought to be dealt with locally and in a healthy assembly---where Christ is considered Head with some mature individuals who can hear Him.

Old fashioned perhaps--but the Lord honors such aspirations and much more than being doctrinally correct. None of us have it all right.

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

41 minutes ago, JohnD said:

"Then it would be better that no one hears the Gospel then that a woman teach it or preach it before men?"

No. Of course the gospel needs to be preached. And yes God can even use a disobedient person to get his message across. Unbelievers can benefit greatly from ANY type of preacher who is teaching correct doctrine. But I do believe that a disobedient preacher will still suffer consequences. I also believe that no mature believer would sit under a disobedient preacher. 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

55 minutes ago, JohnD said:

If you, dear Brother, have a problem with women preachers... then YOU step up into ministry full time.

I  do have a problem with it. And I prayed for years that Jesus would open a door for me to be a preacher. Unfortunately, he never opened that door, so posting on sites like these is the best I can do. Of course, I don't think anyone really gets any teachings from me on here either, but its the only fellowship I get.

[Alive]

7 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Lol---- yes "for now",I like that!

For many years in a home church, in addition to two or three general meetings, we had elders meetings, mens meetings and women's meetings.

Much of the men's and women's meetings dealt with all things related to both human maturity and spiritual maturity along with specific issues and questions. The results of those other meetings often came into the general meetings. It is a well-rounded atmosphere that seemed to work pretty well.

We were a large extended family and the same sorts of dynamics exist that are evident in say--an 'Italian Family' gathering.

I am a broken record, but the problems come into play when Christ is no longer held to be the 'Head'....and so it always goes.

[kwikphilly]

12 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

I  do have a problem with it. And I prayed for years that Jesus would open a door for me to be a preacher. Unfortunately, he never opened that door, so posting on sites like these is the best I can do. Of course, I don't think anyone really gets any teachings from me on here either, but its the only fellowship I get.

 

13 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

I  do have a problem with it. And I prayed for years that Jesus would open a door for me to be a preacher. Unfortunately, he never opened that door, so posting on sites like these is the best I can do. Of course, I don't think anyone really gets any teachings from me on here either, but its the only fellowship I get.

And I'm glad you speak from the heart &:stay true to your Convictions,I completely respect that!Trust that God's Word Never returns void Brother,it is not always meant for the person you are replying to but someone,somewhere is reading and Receiving - someone gets it!Hey,I get exactly what you've been saying!👍

As I mentioned,I don't disagree but I'm not so Convicted of this matter to be Lead to some Ministry Formula or set of rules type thing,I don't see that you are either,let God's Will be Done

Anyway,just wanted to encourage you to go about Father's Business- as Alive days"None of us have it ALL right" - it's good to share what we do have to offer❤️

With love in Christ, Kwik

[BeyondET]

17 hours ago, Mr. M said:

In other words, she was a widow who lost her husband after seven years of marriage, and devoted the rest of her life to serving the Lord.

Romans 7:2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 

1 Corinthians 7:8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Yes she was and she preached to the people as well.

Luke 2:38

Coming up at that very hour, she gave thanks to God, and spoke of him to all those who were looking for the redemption of Jerusalem.

Edited March 26, 2023 by BeyondET