The 6th Seal

[DeighAnn]

14 hours ago, Biblican said:

I did an expository study of Revelation that took six years. One thing we have to understand is that the majority of the book is comprised of visions which are like dreams and they have to be interpreted as such. In other words, you can't interpret it like an ordinary book, it has to be revealed. I can only show you how it was revealed to me. We also need to understand that some of the visions are progressive and cover long periods of time, while others are details that are happening as the other visions are unfolding. For example when John is shown the beast rising out of the sea, this is a process that evolves over many years before the Empire has full control. It all just does not happen within a three year or seven year period. 

The Book was originally written to encourage the persecuted church. That is the significance of Chapter six. God is assuring His martyrs that they will be vindicated.

The first seven chapters deal with the church which is the preparation for the rest of the visions.  Chapter eight begins the warning period of the trumpets and is not the tribulation as many have been taught. Trumpets are  used in scripture to call religious assemblies and before a war. In Revelation's context it is war. The symbolism is telling us that this is a time of preparation and warning. The plagues are released in this chapter and they match the ones in chapter 16. They evolve over a long period of time. During this time John, who represents the church is seen being commissioned to preach the gospel in chapter ten. In eleven which may begin the first three years of the trib there is evangelism in Israel which is stopped just as the beast comes into full power and the witnesses are silenced. While there may be two literal witnesses, they are candlesticks which means they have to be or represent churches. There is no other application for the word candlestick in Revelation. It means church. Their death shows the martyrdom of God's people, but symbolically it is showing us that the church can no longer evangelize and that is when the rapture happens. 

The witnesses are called up, and are possibly ministering in the first three years of the trib and the beast is in full control in the second half and the actual blood bath of that time is shown to us in the last part of chapter fourteen which is the tribulation the attack on Israel. After that begins the time of wrath before Jesus returns. This is the period of the bowls.  So basically to break it down for you -

Chapters 1-7 The introductory chapters that deal with preparing the church.

Chapters 8- 11 - the Warning period of the Trumpets, and the woes which have to do with physical and spiritual warfare, "The Beginning of Sorrows."

Chapter 12 -  is what I call a bridge chapter. It signifies that there is going to be a change in the narrative and gives a condensed history of the spiritual principles behind the conflict. It connects us to -

Chapter 13 which is a description of the Beast empire and the antichrist as they are coming into power at this time.

Chapter fourteen shows us the remnant that has been raptured in heaven just before the tribulation at the end of that chapter. 

Chapter 15, is a picture of the overcoming church that has gone through the tribulation and is seen victorious in heaven. If you take the two groups in chapter seven and transport them in your mind to chapters 14 and 15, we see the same two groups. One has been sealed to be protected from it the others go through it.

Chapter 16 begins the bowl judgments, the time of wrath when the church is no longer on earth just before the Lord returns.

Chapters 17 and 18 -  details of this period and Babylon's fall.

Chapter 19 - 22 Jesus returns, He reigns for 1000 years and then God wraps everything up.

There, I have just condensed a three hundred page book in a few paragraphs it's the best I can do.

 

Thank you for showing me how you divide the Revealing of Christ and/or His Return and how you see that playing out.  Any chance you are able to put all the verses in order and have them tell that story themselves?   

I would sure like to read it in Gods words without any narration, followed by Gods words with narration and explanation inserted where you felt necessary.  I think that would help me understand more than anything else ever could.  

As for the 'church' not being here...Do you think, come the new heaven and new earth, when GOD is dwelling with us, based in Jerusalem there will be churches around the world, and if theree are they will be worshipping anyone other than GOD HIMSELF?   

Taking that same thought with you,

let's go back to Satan and his angels coming to take over the 'kingdom/beast' that had been coming together over many, many, many years (the mystery of iniquity doth already work) ("And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you." Joel 2:25 KJV)

that kingdom RISING UP from the 'hidden, underground, working behind the scenes, pulling all the strings' place it had occupied those many years to 'basic world domination known the worldwide, 3 1/2 years prior to the end of the war in heaven, Satan cast out

 that MID point of the 'week' in which we have the deadly wound happen

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

2 things take place at that time.  With 1260 days and/or 42 months left, and the world is introduced for the FIRST TIME to the 'supernatural' world, those of the unseen world 'being seen', 2 sent dressed in sackcloth, the rest cast out.  
(Signs in the sun (sackcloth)  and the moon (blood) when 'stars fall from the sky and untimely figs are shaken out) 

with the deadly wound healed, the IMAGE of the beast set up to be worshipped, the whole world breathes a sigh of relief, 'who is like unto...' 'with lying signs and wonders', the 'the falling away' truly begins, the whole world falling under the deception, 

who would those who would be going to church, be worshipping at that point?  (the daily sacrifice and oblation taken away)?

The image speaking WHAT SOUNDS LIKE TRUTH is pure blasphemy TO GOD but the world being deceived, doesn't know it.  Brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, who have taken the MARK and are now prospering like never before, can't stand to see a 'loved one' refusing to worship and not getting in on all the PEACE AND SAFETY unfolding world over.  They are told there are PROGRAMS to help set them on the right path.  10 days or less and they will be brought into the fold, at least most of them.  There will be those who refuse.  

The whole world falling into line, except for battles here and there, always started  by the two witnesses 'opening the eyes' of the saints, along with the plagues they bring about, but still, the one world kingdom almost perfect.  By the end of the 3 1/2 years, 'the beast' (who will soon be bound and released from the pit) STANDS where he ought not, in the holy place and CALLS HIMSELF GOD

and has the two witnesses killed.  For 3 1/2 days they lay dead there, for all to see and the world rejoices.  PEACE AND SAFETY, THE WORLD HAS BEEN SAVED, THE WORLD IS AS ONE, ALL ARE SHARING IN THE WEALTH

and it feels so real, it SEEMS so RIGHT, that if the TIME hadn't been cut short, even Gods elect would have been deceived...

And then the UNIMAGINABLE, the unthinkable, the unbelievable.... 

11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT. 

EVERY SOUL STANDS ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.  For those alive upon the earth, if you have been deceived, taken the mark, worshipped the image, GODS WRATH is about to fall on you.  

The hour of temptation has ended.  Sides have been chosen and 

If you didn't have enough oil to keep your lamp lit,

if you didn't put on the gospel armor to withstand,

if you went to buy and sell and didn't endure to the end,

13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:

and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

and their enemies beheld them.  Remember the 2nd 1/2 of the 6th seal?

15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

I only ask, because the GRADE the Christ gave to the 'churches' was at best, a grade of No way is this 'group' going to HEAVEN until having been thoroughly 'vetted' and that will be done on an individual basis. 

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.



IS GOD SPECIFIC AS TO

WHAT HAS TO BE OVERCOME and WHAT MUST BE ENDURED AND

what it may take, to receive a crown of life? 

Is it as we hear from the pre tribs 'endure to the end of the 'church age' given by man OR

GODS WORDS WHICH SAY


Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

 

 

23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

24But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

25But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28And I will give him the morning star.

29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Something more along these lines.  Not putting this forth for correction, just as an example as I just now wrote it out and haven't check it out myself for accuracy yet.  

Thank you and I really hope to see you do something more along these lines for me.  I understand you understand what you wrote, but to be perfectly honest, I can't follow what you are saying, it doesn't paint any sort of a picture FOR ME, although I guess it works for most everyone else, as that is how it comes out most of the time.  

 

 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Oh I know. I have heard this for near 50 years. As much as I would like to think it is so, I have to be honest and consider it supposition. The language doesn't say that. It does say the things that 'are'--which is clearly present tense. My thinking may be wrong, but it may be right.

I would agree it would be supposition, as a matter of fact there would be not separation of "Time Periods", thus no possible supposition, if we were not told specifically what the "HEREAFTER" means. Thus knowing that event that separates the "Times that Are" from the "Hereafter" we can delineate between the two. Jesus sounds the Trump (Last Trump) in Rev. 4:1 and everything after that is the HEREAFTER. We can even see this theme in Matt. 24 if we do not get lost in the shuffle on the time of sorrows/birth pangs being the 70th week. The baby cancels the birth pangs, so nothing in Matt. 24:4-14 can be the 70th week. Its mostly about the 12 Disciples (including Paul who would replace Judas).

The Summer Harvest (think Church Age) was aways ended by the Feast of Trumps. Jesus must fulfill that (Rev. 4:1) thus he ends the Church Age (Summer Harvest) by calling us home. Jesus must fulfill all 7 Feasts which were called Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals). 1.) Passover 2. Unleavened Bread 3.) First-fruits, and we are now in the 4.) Feast of Weeks/Summer Harvest where Jesus as the head/high priest is harvesting souls.

Why are we told by Jesus that we can not know the [exact] day nor hour of his return? For the same reason Israel could not know the exact day nor hour the harvest would end, it could only end with a new moon, which ushered in the New Year, but Israel was on a Lunar Calendar, thus they new about when this would happen, within a 2 or 3 day period, but only God who created all things knew the exact day and hour the harvest would end. Likewise, only God knows when the Gentile Church Age or Summer Harvest of souls will end, he will send Jesus back and Jesus will blow the Last Trump. Because at the 5.) Feast of Trump, which only came with the New Year, once they spied out the New Moon, the Israeli leaders blew the Shofar in 9 sets of 11 or 99 times, then on the 100th or LAST TRUMP, it blew longer and louder than the other 99 and officially ended the Harvest. Now (at that time) we are in the 70th week, the Time of the Gentiles is over. Only two Feasts remain to be fulfilled.

Feast of Atonement: Israel must atone/repent before the 70th week Prophecy of Dan. 9:24-27 can come to pass, so Jesus' blood fulfills this, Israel atones and are now ready to usher in the Kingdom Age, their calling is without repentance. Amen. Them must now DWELL (Tabernacle with Jesus).

Feast of Tabernacles (This simply means to Dwell with God, and we know Jesus rules from Jerusalem, on David's throne for 1000 years, thus Jesus himself fulfills all 7 Feasts). 

From Rev. 4:1 on we get the 70th week events, thus the Hereafter. We are even shown the Raptured Church in Heaven in Rev. 4:4 they have all the Promises the 7 Churches were promised in Rev. 2:10 (Crown on life) Rev. 3:5 (White Raiment) and Rev. 3:21 (God's Throne)......ALL three of those promises to those who OVERCOME or who are Faithful unto Death, are seen in Rev. 4:4. We see the Church in Rev. 5:9-10 because they are said to be REDEEMED by the blood and Angels do not need redemption. And finally, we see the Raptured Church in Rev. 7:9-17 who came out of great tribulation, which means church age tribulation, where millions were killed for Jesus name, and as John 16:33 says, Jesus tells us ALL TIME on this earth is tribulation. We the Church indeed come out of great tribulation, just not the Greatest Ever Tribulation.

So, if we had no HEREAFTER and the explanations for what those are ten there would be no Church Age AND 70th week. But there is two different timeframes according to Jesus' quote to John. The HEREAFTER explains, and it comes one verse after the 7 Churches, which means Divine Completion. 

God Bless. 

[Biblican]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I can appreciate the effort of 6 years study brother but without getting the TIMING correct one has no shot at putting the book of Revelation in proper Chronological Order or tagging the things going on properly. Basically in chapter 1 Jesus gives us the order.

He told John to write the things which he had seen (Rev. 1 Jesus in all of his Glory. The things WHICH ARE (Church Age). and the things which will be HEREAFTER (70th week).

So, Rev. 1 is simply Jesus in his glory. Rev. 2 & 3 is the Church Age and everything after Rev. 4:1 is the Hereafter or 70th week. Yes, the Church is seen in Rev. 4, 5, 7:9-17, but they (we) are seen in Heaven, after the pre trib or Pre 70th (which is more correct) week Rapture. The Seals are Jesus FORETELLING of the coming Wrath of God via the 7 Trumps (SEE ABOVE POST for details). Rev. 7 is the Jews repenting (being sealed) and then fleeing Judea (the 144,000 is simply a CODE for all Israel who repents). We are in the 70th week here, just before God's Wrath starts at the 1260 events, thus Rev. 7 is the 1290 events, where the Jews flee Judea.

Now comes the Judgments that last for 1260 days

Rev. 8, 9 and 16 (really 15&16 are one chapter) gives us all of God's Wrath/Judgments, all the other chapters are Parenthetical Citation Chapters, meaning they all happen  during chapters 8, 9 and 16. They are just different going on than God's Plagues per se. 

Rev. 10 is simply called 7 Thunders but its the 7 Trumps, time will be no more [as we know it] after the 7th Thunder Sounds.

Rev. 11 is unique, it is the Two-Witnesses 1260 day Ministry as ordained by God. BUT.......it starts 1335 days before the Second Coming of Jesus (Which ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS). Thus they must die before the Beast dies, because they are the 1335 Blessing that shows up BEFORE the DOTL comes, as shown in Malachi 4:5 and Zech. 13:8-9 and 14:1. So, this chapter is simply about the Two-witnesses ministry. It covers 1260 days, but we are shown that they pray down the 3rd Woe before they die.

Rev. 12 and 13 both covers 1260 days, Satan chases Israel for 1260 days and The Beast rules for 1260 days, so both START via Revelation 8's Asteroid Impact/God's Wrath.

Rev. 14 is The Harvest Chapter. We se Israel (144,000) on Mt. Zion, but thy ae really at the Petra/Bozrah area being protected by God, but Jesus will rule with them for 1000 years, so he is shown Gathering the Wheat (Israel) into his Fathers barn. Likewise we see to Wicked are Harvested in verses 17-20 via the grape harvest. But in a FLASHBACK in vs. 14 we see the Church being Raptured.

Rev. 17 is the Harlot (ALL FALSE RELIGIONS) being Judged over a 1260 day period where they get killed off.

Rev. 18 is Babylon (Whole World) being Judged by God over a 42 month period of time.

Rev. 19, like Rev. 14 covers the full 7 years, we see the Bride in Heaven BEFORE she gets married to the Lamb, then returning with Jesus at the very end. 

So, everything centers around the 1260 middle of the week event.

God Bless

 

There are a zillion different interpretations of Revelation and I have to stick with what I was shown. The Lord gave my husband and I the gift to interpret prophetic dreams, we have had many of them, and  an understanding of prophetic symbolism is really necessary to understand it because it is mostly comprised of visions. Details are extremely important. For example, Manasseh replaces Dan in Rev. 7. Because Dan is missing, that tells us that these are not the literal twelve tribes of Israel. They are a mix of Gentile and Jews, Just what Manasseh, Joseph's Gentile/Jew son represents. The early church saw themselves as the true Jews so they would have interpreted the 144,000 as the church. Because they are taken up in chapter 7, they represent the remnant. Also in fourteen they are seen on Mount Zion which represents a place of intimacy with the Lord and they are also seen worshipping before the throne. The throne is always in heaven in Rev. so we are being shown the raptured remnant that is protected from the tribulation, the Philadelphians.

I saw the marriage supper of the Lamb taking place in the period of time when the Lord 's sign appears in the sky, and while the wrath is being poured out on the beast's kingdom. Then the bride returns to rule with Jesus and He judges what's left. The seven year period, if indeed it is literal and it may not be, happening from the end of 11 to the end of 14. 

Like I said, there are a multitude of interpretations and we have to be comfortable with what  we are shown. The important message of the book is that God sees the suffering of His church, she will be vindicated and Jesus is triumphant.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 3/28/2023 at 10:07 AM, DeighAnn said:

Everyone keeps telling me, as they always do, I am wrong.  Here again, I disagree, and I believe BEFORE

But let's notice the After and the stars falling:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days....
the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light
and the stars shall fall from the sky.
Matthew 24:29

...the moon turned to blood;
and the stars of the sky fell onto the earth
Revelation 6:12-13
 

I believe these things have to be put together with everything else
in order to come to the right conclusion, if we find ourselves ignoring
any scripture, how can that be right?

 

The whole passage makes clear that it is talking about The day of the Lord:

For the day of the Lord shall be upon every one that is proud....
Isaiah 2:12

And they shall go into the holes of the rocks,
and into the caves of the dust, from the terror of the Lord
when He comes to shake terribly the earth.
Isaiah 2:19

In that day a man shall sell his idols of silver...
to go into the clefts of the rocks
Isaiah 2:20-21

 

And the kings of the earth, and the great men...
and every slave and every free man,
hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains.
Revelation 6:15

 

For the great day of His wrath has come
and who is able to endure it?
Revelation 6:17

 

 

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, I point out that the Seals are a Scroll that is Sealed up, people 2000 years ago understood this concept, today people do not grasp it because we do not send Sealed Messages like they did 2000 years ago

I am guessing that just like the book of Daniel was closed until now, so was this so what they THOUGHT doesn't really matter at all to us.  Let's NOT FALL BACK.  


1And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

NO MATTER who did what when or how they went about it on earth WAY back then,

UP IN HEAVEN when a seal was loosed, HE SAW and wrote WHAT HE SAW.  

That is what is written, that is what I BELIEVE.





 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

I believe these things have to be put together with everything else
in order to come to the right conclusion, if we find ourselves ignoring
any scripture, how can that be right?

 

Immediately after ***(the tribulation of those days...).
the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light
and the stars shall fall from the sky.
Matthew 24:29

 

...the moon turned to blood;
and the stars of the sky fell onto the earth
Revelation 6:12-13



***(the tribulation of those days...). 

WHAT SIGNS are given in the sun moon and stars 
           
                       for when SATAN and his angels are cast out of HEAVEN and to the earth


AKA the tribulation of THOSE DAYS?

the days that come BEFORE the Lords Day? 




 

Edited March 29, 2023 by DeighAnn

[Desopixi Seilynam]

28 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

for when SATAN and his angels are cast out of HEAVEN and to the earth

We have to put everything together.

"I beheld Satan like lighting fall from the sky."
Luke 10:18

I believe that was when Jesus was a baby.

Jesus says He saw Satan fall,
and Revelation 12 speaks of the war in heaven right after the woman gives birth.

Revelation 12 is describing all of time up to the beasts in a fanciful way.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

I believe these things have to be put together with everything else
in order to come to the right conclusion, if we find ourselves ignoring
any scripture, how can that be right?

I couldn't agree more.  I think we start off and separate things into big catagories and as we move towards the finer details what fits stays and what doesn't finds a new home.  

So if that is working for you now, ok.  Me, 'sackcloth and before' were just too much to assign to Christs return anymore.   They got moved to signs for what came before which was Satan.  mourning and war.  sounds like Satans trib to me.  

How does the sackcloth represent Christs return to you?  Maybe to THEM???

Do you believe it to be a coincidence for the two witnesses to be dressed in sackcloth?

"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." Revelation 11:3 KJV

I guess, I think of the SUN is a witness of GOD too.

I also think the sun is going to feel more like this when Christ returns. 

"Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;" Psalms 30:11 KJV





"And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days." Genesis 37:34 KJV


"And in that day did the Lord GOD of hosts call to weeping, and to mourning, and to baldness, and to girding with sackcloth:" Isaiah 22:12 KJV


"But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom." Psalms 35:13 KJV



As for the sun going dark when Christ comes, I think HE IS SO BRIGHT the sun seems dim and the moon can't even begin to compete.  

 

[DeighAnn]

10 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

We have to put everything together.

"I beheld Satan like lighting fall from the sky."
Luke 10:18

I believe that was when Jesus was a baby.

Jesus says He saw Satan fall,
and Revelation 12 speaks of the war in heaven right after the woman gives birth.

Revelation 12 is describing all of time up to the beasts in a fanciful way.

Yes, we do

YET we can't put things that could fit at 'ANYTIME' when a specific time is given, correct? 

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

What happens when ANGELS are on the earth with the daughters of men?  WICKEDNESS so bad, GOD flooded the world.  



10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

and the angels rule an hour with the beast.   

[Revelation Man]

21 hours ago, Biblican said:

There are a zillion different interpretations of Revelation and I have to stick with what I was shown. The Lord gave my husband and I the gift to interpret prophetic dreams, we have had many of them, and  an understanding of prophetic symbolism is really necessary to understand it because it is mostly comprised of visions

There is only one truth however, many, many "Interpretations" which is why I prayed to the Lord one night, after being called for over 30 years at that time, to Prophecy, and asked the Lord why is that that in these End Times, when we are supposed to be blessed with knowledge and understanding, via a poured out holy spirit, that we as a Church have 100's of interpretations of who the 144,000 are, and as many ideas on what/where Babylon is, on what the 7 headed Beast means, on where the Anti-Christ is born, and I got this in reply, "Ron, you guys already know it all" and that simply FLOORED ME !! The Holy Spirit just gave me a huge key I thought, we as young Christians saw Daniel, Ezekiel, the book of Revelation etc. prophecy in general as being way over our heads, so we all read "OTHER MEN'S BOOKS" and that is how we pass down Men's Traditions like the 144,000 being Super Preachers, which is nowhere in the bible, its not even hinted at, yet it has become a fast fact, but its just not true, AND it throws us off the trail of who the 144,000 really are.

So, from that point on, I knew I had to forget most of what I had learned, so I could simply reread all Prophecy and do as I did with the Gospel when I got stumped, and simply say "Lord, what does this Mean?" And guess what, it works, but only if we refuse to allow those men's traditions to guide us into a cul-de-sac. So, of course I started with all of the Contradictions that I had just said, well, it doesn't sound quite right, but it is accepted biblical teaching, so I will just go with it, Like.....

Like the Beast who is killed, his body destroyed in Dan. 7:11 and cast into hell. Which contradicts Rev. 19:20 where it says the Beast and False Prophet are cast alive into hell. Well, God never contradicts Himself, He is perfect so either words got translated wrong or we misunderstand the texts, and I was like Lord, I refuse to move on until you give me the answers, so like Jacob I wrestled with God (for answers). And I now always get the answer, God wants us to be persistent. The Anti-Christ does get killed, just like Daniel says, all men must die, and be judged according to scriptures, unless God judges and takes them, they still die a deathly death because no sin flesh can enter heaven, God just took Elijah straight up and he shows up at the transfiguration. Likewise, we all sleep until Judgment, Paul says so in 1 Cor 15:50-52. Daniel says so in Dan. 12:1-2. So, whereas we all rest when we die, unless we die at the Rapture via CHANGING in the blink of an eye, we will rest until the Rapture. Likewise the Wicked will only be judged after the 1000 year reign of Jesus at the Second Resurrection, so they rest even longer. So, the Anti-Christ is killed but never allowed to rest, he is this cast ALIVE into hell because the truth is our souls are immortal, they will never die, we will live with God eternally or in hell eternally. 

So, we can receive these truths, but we have to put off the world, AND the views men pass down unto us and simply ask God. It is the end times, He wants to show us all things, but if we have Road Blocks in His way he can't get past those roadblocks. 

I wrote a blog saying Rome was THAT CITY in Rev. 17:18 and explained it very well (in my mind) but the Holy Spirit was like "YOU ARE WRONG Ron, look again at what John saw", and I saw the vision was only 4 verses, Rev. 17:3-6 and what John actually SAW was not a Mystery, the Mystery was explained in verse 7, so why would he show a Mystery Babylon? Then we are all stumped for ages? He didn't, it was misinterpreted by us for eons, the word Mystery (Musterion) simply means SECRET by God's silence, or to shut the mouth. But we are told the Angel is explaining it so why call it a Mystery? Well, it is not a Mystery or Secret, the word Mystery is used as a HEADER like this (or question mark).

MYSTERY (?)

1.) Babylon the Great ( Babylon was noted for its FALSE RELIGION world wide, she had 100s of false gods and demi gods)

2.) Mother of Harlots ( FALSE RELIGION is the Mother of all Harlotry against God )

3.) Abominations of the Earth (God is a jealous God, He sees all FALSE RELIGION as an Abomination)  

So, whenever you hear Mystery Babylon, there is NO SUCH THING, it is Mystery, then we get THREE DESCRIPTORS that explain the Mystery, which was who the Harlot is !! That Mystery is solved, the Harlot is ALL False Religion of All Time. Now, do the clues match that? Yes

She has the blood of the [Jewish] Saints AND the Blood of the Martyrs of Jesus so she has to be on both sides of the cross. She gets judged and KILLED OFF in Rev. 17:16 but how so? Because with all of the other 6 Beasts she was an integral part of the whole, in that the Harlot always RODE the Beasts. But here, she will be killed off by the 10 (E.U.) kings in  league with the Beast, but why? Because this Last Beast, the Anti-Christ insists on being the ONLY GOD !! There will be no room for Jupiter, Zeus, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. etc. She is on MANY WATERS, which we are told means all the Nations, thus it is saying False Religion is throughout all the world.

Rev. 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore (False Religion) that sitteth upon many waters(In every nation):

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication(By serving False gods).

Verses 3-6 is the whole vision

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman(Harlot False Religion) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast(Apollyon was over all 6 of the previous Beasts, from Egypt to Rome, he is the 8th and was of THE SEVEN, thus he has NO CROWNS), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. (See, NO CROWNS, unlike the Dragon in Rev. 12 who as 7 Crowns and the Beast/Anti-Christ of Rev. 13 who has 10 CROWNS.)

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: {{{Go read Danial 5, Mene, Mene Tekel, this is taken from there, Babylon fell because the used the chalices and cups from God's Holy Temple to have a party unto their own gods. The Harlot will be judged by the 10 Kings and the Beast, God will judge the Beast and His kingdom via Jesus.}}}

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery(Comma, not Mystery Babylon), Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.(Three DESCRIPTORS describe the Mystery of the Woman, just like a Prostitute had a name tag on her 2000 years ago as she sat in the city center.)

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, AND with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration(Means Wonderment).

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

So, as we can see it was NEVER a Mystery, the Angel stated he was going to reveal The Mystery, and he did, we just misdiagnosed this as Mystery Babylon, which it is not and never was, it was MYSTERY, followed by three Descriptors or clues or Name Tags that gave the Harlots Identity away. (She is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time)

So, yes, I agree, there are many, many false interpretations, but there is only one truth, and that is all I am interested in. I am the type that never jumps on the "FAD" for 30 years God never gave these things unto me, I had ideas, I discussed these things interestingly, but no one in 30 years ever saw me sawing this is of the Lord, unless I knew it was, I do not do that, but when the Lord started give me all this, once I figured out how to take down the man made ROADBLOCKS, I know when the Spirt speaks unto me and always have, but He doesn't always speak, I waited for 30 plus years, even though I was told in a vision in like 1986 that the Anti-Christ was alive and in the world. I was also shown Jimmy Swaggart would fall from grace and he did like 2 weeks later, God did that to let me know his first vision would come to pass, but I would have to wait a long time. Well, when I know, that I know, that I know, 100 horses can not change that. I waited on truth, mixed in were millions of attempts to throw me off by Satan, but if we are very still, and wait, and obey God, we always know whose voice it is. We do not fall for the RCC angle, the Pope angle, the Muslim Anti-Christ angle, these are simply fads that come from men, they come and go. Dan. 7:8-9 tells us the Beast will come to power out of the 10 kings which arise from the Fourth Beasts Head (complete E.U.) and Dan. 8:9 MANDATES the Anti-Christ has to be born in Greece because of the direction he conquers from, the Northwest corridor of the four generals kingdoms. Greece is in the E.U. and he must have Assyrian (Turkish/Iraqi or Old Assyrian) blood, as Isaiah 10 says. This Anti-Christ has to fulfill all three of these prophetic utterances. 

I agree, we must be able to interpret symbolism or we will never understand the Book of Revelation. But we must also be able to put it all together after we understand what the symbolism means. Got way to long. I will try to look at the rest of the reply and keep things more brief, but we Prophecy wonks always get off-tracked it seems.

God Bless, I think I was showing you I understand the problems faced via Prophecy, there are too many chiefs. 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Revelation Man