Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth

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1 minute ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Arial

Amen!Funny,I do like KJV though I usually parallel read with quite a few versions ....I rarely see such awful differences in translations,nothing that cannot be reconciled easily enough by studying full context ( that is often a problem,isn't it? Picking verses out of context!)

Anyway,Enjoyed your posts- the crux of the matter is indeed that Salvation cannot be earned by keeping promises,vows or any way at all except the WAY,the One Way,the Truth & the Life!!!!

Thanks for your contributions Sister

With love in Christ, Kwik

Its funny…although I study these days using different translations and original texts, because in my early years I read the KJV voraciously, I still hear many passages in my head in KJV language….and I often go back to compare.

I agree that I have not found anything of significance in the various translations that are problematic. What we observe is that there are choices to make in translating some words…more than one way of saying the same thing. Especially from the Greek. A much more nuanced language than is english.

We are blessed as one scholar said, “to have such an embarassment of riches at our disposal.”

[kwikphilly]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

Its funny…although I study these days using different translations and original texts, because in my early years I read the KJV voraciously, I still hear many passages in my head in KJV language….and I often go back to compare.we

I agree that I have not found anything of significance in the various translations that are problematic. What we observe is that there are choices to make in translating some words…more than one way of saying the same thing. Especially from the Greek. A much more nuanced language than is english.

We are blessed as one scholar said, “to have such an embarassment of riches at our disposal.”

So true Brother - so Bountifully Blessed👍

How many times Does our Lord Show us what we simply don't see in a instant ,something we've read 1000 times over,in many versions?And yes,we do " hear" Passages in our head,or is it our heart or spirit? Lol

Diligent study & seeking God Himself,through the Word makes for a well fed spirit where Holy Spirit Will bring Remembrance .. .. some times when I read " all Scripture is profitable ...... I think of the many versions we have available" with our Counselor Truth is Revealed,Praise Jesus!

Good stuff,I hear KJV too,so many years of reading the Old English- now that's a good being "brainwashed"lol.....🤗

 

[Alive]

20 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

So true Brother - so Bountifully Blessed👍

How many times Does our Lord Show us what we simply don't see in a instant ,something we've read 1000 times over,in many versions?And yes,we do " hear" Passages in our head,or is it our heart or spirit? Lol

Diligent study & seeking God Himself,through the Word makes for a well fed spirit where Holy Spirit Will bring Remembrance .. .. some times when I read " all Scripture is profitable ...... I think of the many versions we have available" with our Counselor Truth is Revealed,Praise Jesus!

Good stuff,I hear KJV too,so many years of reading the Old English- now that's a good being "brainwashed"lol.....🤗

 

Not to change subjects, but science tells us that every thing we have read, seen or experienced are buried somewhere in our brains. This is what I think of when considering Jesus words, “will bring to your remembrance”.

Because I have read the entire bible..lol..I trust He can do that as He wills.

[Arial]

23 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

The problem here is that you only apply this warning towards obtaining salvation when it is about any works of righteousness by the law to make oneself good or to do good as well, when we are to rely on Him to finish His work in us to His glory.

I apply it to what Paul was talking about.

 

23 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

You cannot do His work in us by keeping a promise or a commitment either.

Keeping our promises and commitments is being a faithful child of the Father in Christ. Not a means of salvation. And I never said it is a means of salvation.

 

23 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

In a society that leads us to pledge an allegiance to the flag and swear on the Bible to tell the truth on the witness stand "so help ye God" where at times, you will be held in contempt of court for not answering questions in a yes or no response even though it is not always a yes or no response, thus the court is preventing God to help you tell the whole truth, thus making you break your oath, goes amiss

What does that have to do with anything? And a person isn't held in contempt of court for not answering yes or no. They are held in contempt if they refuse to answer or for other reasons. There is a penalty for lying to the court. It isn't preventing God from helping you to tell the truth. God doesn't help us to tell the truth. That is up to us. Do you think man has no responsibility? Or are you simply arguing for the sake of arguing?

 

23 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

This is why Jesus is warning believers not to make any oath because we cannot make anything good in regards to us or to do good by the deeds of the law when it is on Jesus Christ to do His work in us to his glory for why the just shall live by faith.

Do you think maybe becoming an honest trustworthy person is part of the sanctifying work the Holy Spirit does in us? And how does He do that? He tells us in His word and then we submit to that word. It seems you do not make a distinction between salvation and sanctification.

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1 hour ago, Arial said:

I apply it to what Paul was talking about.

Keeping our promises and commitments is being a faithful child of the Father in Christ. Not a means of salvation. And I never said it is a means of salvation.

It is not a means to make oneself good or to be good either.  That is the truth.

If writing this way helps; it is not a means to make oneself righteous or to be righteous either.

Is your confidence in Jesus to continue His work in you to finish it to His glory or are you doing His work in you by keeping a promise or a commitment in following Jesus?

You cannot do both.  You either do it by faith in Jesus Christ to do this or you are departing from faith in resorting to your own power to finish His work in you by the flesh in keeping that commitment or promise.

[ChristB4us]

1 hour ago, Arial said:

What does that have to do with anything? And a person isn't held in contempt of court for not answering yes or no. They are held in contempt if they refuse to answer or for other reasons. There is a penalty for lying to the court. It isn't preventing God from helping you to tell the truth. God doesn't help us to tell the truth. That is up to us. Do you think man has no responsibility? Or are you simply arguing for the sake of arguing?

Not every question is a yes or no answer for why that is preventing someone from telling the truth, the whole truth.  Lawyers know this for how they win the court cases by purposefully restricting the witness to answer in a yes or no answer.

As for the point of contention, God cannot help you keep that oath in telling the truth any way ( which is sworn on the Bible, mind you )  because by His words, Numbers 30:2 says you have to do all that proceeds out of your mouth.

If God can help you tell the truth then there would be no need to warn believers about making a vow and not being able to finish it, like not able to tell the whole truth per Ecclesiastes 5:4-7

This is why God warns believers not to make vows because He cannot help you finish your vows.  It is a work of your hands.  Not His.

Jesus warns believers because we cannot make one hair white or black as that is God's work, yes?  So any work that He is doing in us and through us, we are to trust Him to do this.

making a promise or a commitment to do any work like following him, is you telling God and others, no.. I will do it.  I will follow Him by keeping my promise & commitment to do so.

That is bearing witness of yourself of what you are going to do and that goes to your glory in keeping it or to your condemnation for not keeping it.

That is why the just shall live by faith, but those that live by their commitment & promises in following Jesus, have fallen from grace and needs to ask for forgiveness for Jesus to set them free to rest in him that He will do his work in them so they can follow Him.

Like it or not, other Christians by that yoke of bondage judged as in condemned other believers for backsliding or sinning as if they were never believers in the first place, but had their fingers crossed when they came forward.

It is how some will give grace to themselves to keep trying while others condemn themselves, feeling like a fraud by that commitment and walk away from Jesus, even saying it is too hard that "they" can't do it while some will help them along.

Commitments and promises are not of the faith in Jesus Christ.

 

 

[ChristB4us]

2 hours ago, Arial said:

Do you think maybe becoming an honest trustworthy person is part of the sanctifying work the Holy Spirit does in us? And how does He do that? He tells us in His word and then we submit to that word. It seems you do not make a distinction between salvation and sanctification.

Jesus Christ does that through the Holy Spirit in us when we place our confidence in Jesus Christ to do this thus by faith in Jesus Christ alone is how this is done.

Doing it by the deeds of the law like keeping a promise, voids faith in Him to do this.

[Arial]

1 hour ago, ChristB4us said:

Is your confidence in Jesus to continue His work in you to finish it to His glory or are you doing His work in you by keeping a promise or a commitment in following Jesus?

You are making a lot of felonious assumptions based on what, if looked at closely, is a form of legalism---which always says our works contribute to our salvation by putting the judgement solely on our works and not Christ. What you present is simply the same thing in the negative. Don't do this and don't do that otherwise your faith is not in Christ to complete the good work He has begun in you, but rather in---of all things---not making promises.

If  you have read and understood anything I have posted anywhere on the forum, you would know that I made no promises to Jesus or commitment to follow Him, I just do follow Him, because I believe what the Bible says about Him and that He alone is the way to salvation, and this is through faith alone.

I am not concerned with what Promise Keepers believes or is doing. It has nothing to do with me. And honestly, neither do you. Unless they make a statement that we make a promise to Jesus and keeping it is the way in which we are saved. Short of that, you do not know why they do what they do. In any case there are other errors being taught in the church much more concerning, and one's focus should not be placed completely in one place. Otherwise the focus on that thing becomes what we are always looking to and at, rather than growing in the knowledge of God and Christ.

[Arial]

1 hour ago, ChristB4us said:

Jesus Christ does that through the Holy Spirit in us when we place our confidence in Jesus Christ to do this thus by faith in Jesus Christ alone is how this is done.

Doing it by the deeds of the law like keeping a promise, voids faith in Him to do this.

Keeping a promise is a good thing to do. The RIGHT thing to do. It does not void faith but is the fruit of faith.  It does not mean that someone is not trusting in Christ. If you only mean a particular promise then say what you mean, because the above is pretty much nonsensical at best and misleading at worst.

[Arial]

1 hour ago, ChristB4us said:

Not every question is a yes or no answer for why that is preventing someone from telling the truth, the whole truth.  Lawyers know this for how they win the court cases by purposefully restricting the witness to answer in a yes or no answer.

That then becomes the job of the attorney for the otherside to sort out through the questions he asks. Don't be ridiculous.

 

1 hour ago, ChristB4us said:

As for the point of contention, God cannot help you keep that oath in telling the truth any way ( which is sworn on the Bible, mind you )  because by His words, Numbers 30:2 says you have to do all that proceeds out of your mouth.

Do you know why we have that oath in our court system? To keep people from lying under oath, not to keep them from telling the truth under oath. It was put in place way back when people actually had a fear of God, and honor and respect for Him. And if they swore before Him to not lie, they were less likely to lie. It was a binding oath made to the Almighty God which strongly persuaded truth telling. It also set in place if a person was caught lying that penalties could be administered by the law (of the land.) The judge.

 

1 hour ago, ChristB4us said:

If God can help you tell the truth then there would be no need to warn believers about making a vow and not being able to finish it, like not able to tell the whole truth per Ecclesiastes 5:4-7

This is why God warns believers not to make vows because He cannot help you finish your vows.  It is a work of your hands.  Not His.

God doesn't help us tell the truth. He teaches us to tell the truth. And if we are obedient in that we will tell the truth. Our court system has nothing to do with it. ANd here you also imply God has limited power. That He can only defend and help someone if He is allowed to by human courts. Cattywampus reasoning.

 

1 hour ago, ChristB4us said:

Commitments and promises are not of the faith in Jesus Christ.

Depends on what the commitments and promise are.

But that is enough. I am getting nowhere.