A View I Never Considered?

[Dennis1209]

14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. ² In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. ³ And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. ⁴ And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

I have always considered this to refer to the New Jerusalem, our eternal dwelling place on earth. With further study and exchanging thoughts with some experts, I am unsure now, and I now suspect it could allude to our heavenly (glorified) bodies. What are your thoughts?

The following are some condensed commentary:

What I was after in my original reply was that there might be some other line of thinking in regards to the "room" that Jesus mentions in John 14:1-3. Too often we get stuck on the KJV or NKJV translation "mansions." That really is a poor translation for our contemporary audience. If we skip the KJV and go straight to the Greek, we see that the word is "dwelling places." 

I brought up 2 Cor 5 because Paul is discussing his new glorified body or "dwelling places" (not made with hands which is eternal in the heavens). Paul was alive at the time, but was talking about his new glorified body (building) already existing in the heavens!

We might ask, "What do you mean, Paul? How is your new eternal body existing right now in the heavens?" I think the answer would be when Jesus said He was going to prepare a "dwelling for us" (John 14:2-3), He was really referencing not a mansion, but He was going to heaven to prepare our NEW BODIES for us so that when He returns at the rapture/resurrection, we will get those new bodies in which we will dwell and live forever.

We can show this further because 2 Cor 5:1-2 is showing a contrast between our earthly tent (current weak body) and the new building (eternal) .... where? In the heavens! Something to at least ponder. :)

Blessings to you!

I go to prepare a place for you: Love prepares a welcome. With love, expectant parents prepare a room for the baby. With love, the hostess prepares for her guests. Jesus prepares a place for His people because He loves them and is confident of their arrival.[ii]

 

 

 

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Mondo Gonzales (Prophecy Watchers)

[ii] 2018 David Guzik

 

[farouk]

7 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. ² In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. ³ And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. ⁴ And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

I have always considered this to refer to the New Jerusalem, our eternal dwelling place on earth. With further study and exchanging thoughts with some experts, I am unsure now, and I now suspect it could allude to our heavenly (glorified) bodies. What are your thoughts?

The following are some condensed commentary:

What I was after in my original reply was that there might be some other line of thinking in regards to the "room" that Jesus mentions in John 14:1-3. Too often we get stuck on the KJV or NKJV translation "mansions." That really is a poor translation for our contemporary audience. If we skip the KJV and go straight to the Greek, we see that the word is "dwelling places." 

I brought up 2 Cor 5 because Paul is discussing his new glorified body or "dwelling places" (not made with hands which is eternal in the heavens). Paul was alive at the time, but was talking about his new glorified body (building) already existing in the heavens!

We might ask, "What do you mean, Paul? How is your new eternal body existing right now in the heavens?" I think the answer would be when Jesus said He was going to prepare a "dwelling for us" (John 14:2-3), He was really referencing not a mansion, but He was going to heaven to prepare our NEW BODIES for us so that when He returns at the rapture/resurrection, we will get those new bodies in which we will dwell and live forever.

We can show this further because 2 Cor 5:1-2 is showing a contrast between our earthly tent (current weak body) and the new building (eternal) .... where? In the heavens! Something to at least ponder. :)

Blessings to you!

I go to prepare a place for you: Love prepares a welcome. With love, expectant parents prepare a room for the baby. With love, the hostess prepares for her guests. Jesus prepares a place for His people because He loves them and is confident of their arrival.[ii]

 

 

 

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Mondo Gonzales (Prophecy Watchers)

[ii] 2018 David Guzik

 

This is a lovely passage there from John 14; actually we were thinking about it in church yesterday......

[WilliamL]

9 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I have always considered this to refer to the New Jerusalem, our eternal dwelling place on earth. With further study and exchanging thoughts with some experts, I am unsure now, and I now suspect it could allude to our heavenly (glorified) bodies. What are your thoughts?

I don't see anything unclear about where Jesus was going, He told us:

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more...

14:2 In my Father’s house are many are many abodes...

Jesus is just saying that He is going to heaven, the place of His Father, where He will prepare a place for us.

[farouk]

2 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

I don't see anything unclear about where Jesus was going, He told us:

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more...

14:2 In my Father’s house are many are many abodes...

Jesus is just saying that He is going to heaven, the place of His Father, where He will prepare a place for us.

Hi @WilliamL My wife and I went through John's Gospel together; it is striking how the purposes of Father, Son and Holy Spirit are so perfectly united.

[Dennis1209]

19 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

I don't see anything unclear about where Jesus was going, He told us:

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more...

14:2 In my Father’s house are many are many abodes...

Jesus is just saying that He is going to heaven, the place of His Father, where He will prepare a place for us.

That is what I am asking. That abode, tent, dwelling, room, mansion, place, etc. Is that the New Jerusalem, or is Jesus preparing our heavenly bodies to occupy?

As I mentioned, I had never heard this thought before. The deeper I delve into it, the more it seems plausible.

[Dennis1209]

33 minutes ago, farouk said:

This is a lovely passage there from John 14; actually we were thinking about it in church yesterday......

https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/john-1/

You might be interested in the link above. @kwikphilly provided it on another thread on the Gospel of John. So far it seems rock solid, using quotes from renowned scholars and theologians. 

[Sower]

40 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Let not your heart be troubled:

Neat post Dennis.

I honestly am not sure where (exactly) I'm headed, but wherever it is it's gonna be great. (like heaven)
The part I like best in your post is;

Let not your heart be troubled!!      That is how God started this verse.

So I'll watch and wait to see what y'all come up with. I can handle a new body and/or home.

Meanwhile, I'll not be troubled......(Thanks brother)

[WilliamL]

7 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

That abode, tent, dwelling, room, mansion, place, etc. Is that the New Jerusalem, or is Jesus preparing our heavenly bodies to occupy?

Both, essentially. New Jerusalem is being prepared now in heaven, to descend to the earth when the time comes. All who die in Christ get heavenly bodies up until the return of Christ at the time of the resurrection of the dead and the rapture, when those heavenly bodies will get an upgrade to become resurrected glorious bodies like Jesus has.

For more details, go here and scroll down to "Soul-Garments, Death, and Resurrection":

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1523-the-most-holy-place-the-feast-of-tabernacles-aka-feast-of-ingathering/

 

[ChristB4us]

52 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. ² In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. ³ And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. ⁴ And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

I have always considered this to refer to the New Jerusalem, our eternal dwelling place on earth. With further study and exchanging thoughts with some experts, I am unsure now, and I now suspect it could allude to our heavenly (glorified) bodies. What are your thoughts?

The following are some condensed commentary:

What I was after in my original reply was that there might be some other line of thinking in regards to the "room" that Jesus mentions in John 14:1-3. Too often we get stuck on the KJV or NKJV translation "mansions." That really is a poor translation for our contemporary audience. If we skip the KJV and go straight to the Greek, we see that the word is "dwelling places." 

I brought up 2 Cor 5 because Paul is discussing his new glorified body or "dwelling places" (not made with hands which is eternal in the heavens). Paul was alive at the time, but was talking about his new glorified body (building) already existing in the heavens!

We might ask, "What do you mean, Paul? How is your new eternal body existing right now in the heavens?" I think the answer would be when Jesus said He was going to prepare a "dwelling for us" (John 14:2-3), He was really referencing not a mansion, but He was going to heaven to prepare our NEW BODIES for us so that when He returns at the rapture/resurrection, we will get those new bodies in which we will dwell and live forever.

We can show this further because 2 Cor 5:1-2 is showing a contrast between our earthly tent (current weak body) and the new building (eternal) .... where? In the heavens! Something to at least ponder. :)

Blessings to you!

I go to prepare a place for you: Love prepares a welcome. With love, expectant parents prepare a room for the baby. With love, the hostess prepares for her guests. Jesus prepares a place for His people because He loves them and is confident of their arrival.[ii]

 

 

 

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Mondo Gonzales (Prophecy Watchers)

[ii] 2018 David Guzik

 

Since Jesus mentioned the Father's House, then why mention mansion for where we will dwell since the Lord mentioned as building that place for us to receive us to in the Father's House?

[Michael37]

59 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. ² In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. ³ And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. ⁴ And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

I have always considered this to refer to the New Jerusalem, our eternal dwelling place on earth. With further study and exchanging thoughts with some experts, I am unsure now, and I now suspect it could allude to our heavenly (glorified) bodies. What are your thoughts?

The following are some condensed commentary:

What I was after in my original reply was that there might be some other line of thinking in regards to the "room" that Jesus mentions in John 14:1-3. Too often we get stuck on the KJV or NKJV translation "mansions." That really is a poor translation for our contemporary audience. If we skip the KJV and go straight to the Greek, we see that the word is "dwelling places." 

I brought up 2 Cor 5 because Paul is discussing his new glorified body or "dwelling places" (not made with hands which is eternal in the heavens). Paul was alive at the time, but was talking about his new glorified body (building) already existing in the heavens!

We might ask, "What do you mean, Paul? How is your new eternal body existing right now in the heavens?" I think the answer would be when Jesus said He was going to prepare a "dwelling for us" (John 14:2-3), He was really referencing not a mansion, but He was going to heaven to prepare our NEW BODIES for us so that when He returns at the rapture/resurrection, we will get those new bodies in which we will dwell and live forever.

We can show this further because 2 Cor 5:1-2 is showing a contrast between our earthly tent (current weak body) and the new building (eternal) .... where? In the heavens! Something to at least ponder. :)

Blessings to you!

I go to prepare a place for you: Love prepares a welcome. With love, expectant parents prepare a room for the baby. With love, the hostess prepares for her guests. Jesus prepares a place for His people because He loves them and is confident of their arrival.[ii]

 

 

 

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Mondo Gonzales (Prophecy Watchers)

[ii] 2018 David Guzik

 

Everything has location, whether geographical or theographical, whether temporal or eternal. 

Our being located in heaven requires our placement have an association with its glory, hence the translators' choice of "mansion".