Water Baptism in Jesus Name : Is this how it possibly came to be?

[R. Hartono]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I am adding to what Jayne said above. To be baptized by immersion is the immediate second act after accepting Jesus as your personal Savior. I think we all know being baptized never saved anyone.

Complete water immersion has been debated on the forum vs. a little dab will do ya (sprinkling). I think the examples in the Bible are clear, plenty of water, rivers, lakes, and complete immersion. Some denominations believe otherwise and also practice infant baptism, and that baptism saves.

At Jesus’s death, He first descended below the surface, then arose by resurrection. I think Jesus’s baptism was a pattern for us to follow. All three Persons were involved in Jesus’s baptism, the Father (who is well pleased), the Holy Spirit (Dove that descended on Jesus), and the Son.  

In the age of Grace (the church age), being baptized is a public declaration and admission you are a Christ follower and not ashamed of it. Some are “closet Christians” who are saved and may not publicly profess Jesus as their Savior for fear of being ostracized or rejected.

I cannot think of why a person would need to be baptized more than once in the church age. To become a member of a Baptist church (as I am), proof of baptism or admission is required to become a member. In my case, I had a vague memory of being baptized when I was maybe ten or eleven, but I was not 100% sure. So, it was recommended I be baptized, probably a second time, and I was.

Another thing that I find interesting I learned some years ago. I thought a priest, pastor, or clergy had to perform the baptism. I now believe your dad, a friend, a member of your congregation, or any born-again believer may baptize you.

As always, these are my personal thoughts.

Yes baptism is complete immersion, i was baptized at the sea.

[NConly]

2 hours ago, Jayne said:

Well, I can only tell you what the Bible says.

[1] John baptized people for the sake of repentance, not a turning from the Law.

[2] The Law was still valid until Jesus was resurrected from the dead.  In fact, Jesus followed the Law and encourage Israel to do so.

Does sound like encouraging the Law?

To me it sounds like teaching Grace not Law

John had same message as Jesus.

 

John 1

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

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[farouk]

26 minutes ago, NConly said:

Does sound like encouraging the Law?

To me it sounds like teaching Grace not Law

John had same message as Jesus.

 

John 1

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Hi @NConly I find it interesting that Hebrews 7 says that the law was changed (7.12) and that what we now have is better than the law (7.19).

So to speak, Sinai points us to the cross; the cross does not lead us to Sinai (Hebrews 12.18-24).

[Jayne]

3 hours ago, other one said:

I hope not for Jesus confessed to working on the Sabbath which is breaking the 4th commandment.

Jesus, being the ONLY Lord of the Sabbath, could do what he wished with that or any Sabbath and not sin.

[What took you so long? ]

[other one]

2 minutes ago, Jayne said:

Jesus, being the ONLY Lord of the Sabbath, could do what he wished with that or any Sabbath and not sin.

[What took you so long? ]

I've been fishing for two weeks.   I do disagree with your summation of it though.

[Jayne]

3 hours ago, NConly said:

Does sound like encouraging the Law?

To me it sounds like teaching Grace not Law

John had same message as Jesus.

Let me explain a little more succinctly.

Neither John nor the disciples of Christ gave a believer's baptism.  Only after Jesus was resurrected was a believer's baptism conducted.

Until Jesus gave himself for us on that cross and was raised from the dead, the Law was practiced.  The gospel was preached of course, but the Law was not annulled until Jesus rose from the dead.

Jesus kept Feast Days,  told the Pharisees that they SHOULD tithe on things as small as cumin and mint [and also learn about mercy], Jesus parents' circumcised Jesus on the 8th day, offerings were made, and Jesus fulfilled the Law.  That means he kept it - perfectly.

After he rose from the dead, things were different - including baptism.

 

[NConly]

Thanks for clarifying, I guess I did not see this in the last post. This post I do agree with. I'm a little slow at times.