Adam & Eve - Christ & The Church

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, NConly said:

I can not find Kingpriest in the Bible. I do find kingdom of priest and royal priest which both are more inline with no male or female.? 

Hi NConly,

Remember Hebrews 6: 20 - 7: 1 & 2.

The Lord is High priest, not of the Aaronic order, but of the Melchizedek order of Kingpriest. As He is High priest then there are other priests and they are of the same order - Kingpriest. The Body of Christ is of that order - kingpriests.

That order is only in the third heaven, while lower down the two offices are separate. 

[Retrobyter]

7 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Good point there - Jerusalem above.

Now Jerusalem on earth has two parts - Mount Zion where King David ruled and then the city part.

The heavenly Jerusalem also had two parts - Mount Zion where the Lord rules, (Ps. 2: 6) and the city part.

Shalom, Marilyn C.

Well, [Disparaging Content Removed by Admin] The city IS the mountain! 

What did the author of Hebrews say?

Hebrews 12:18-24 (KJV)

18 For ye are not come unto the mount (Sinai) that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, "And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart": 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, "I exceedingly fear and quake!"

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Have you ever seen verse 22 in the Greek?

22 ἀλλὰ προσεληλύθατε Σιὼν ὄρει, καὶ πόλει Θεοῦ ζῶντος, Ἰερουσαλὴμ ἐπουρανίῳ, καὶ μυριάσιν ἀγγέλων.

22 alla proseleeluthate Zioon orei, kai polei Theou zoontos, Ierousaleem epouranioo, kai muriasin aggeloon.

22 but ye-are-in-the-process-of-coming to-Tsiy`own mountain, and city of-God living, Yerushalaim above-the-sky, and myriads of-messengers.

The words "orei" and "polei" are in the same case! they are ONE AND THE SAME!

Consider this verse from the prophet:

Psalm 48:1-2 (KJV)

1 {A Song and Psalm for the sons of Korah.}

Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.
2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

Here's the Hebrew:

שִׁ֥יר מִ֝זְמֹור לִבְנֵי־קֹֽרַח׃
גָּ֘דֹ֤ול יְהוָ֣ה וּמְהֻלָּ֣ל מְאֹ֑ד בְּעִ֥יר אֱ֝לֹהֵ֗ינוּ הַר־קָדְשֹֽׁו׃
יְפֵ֥ה נֹוף֮ מְשֹׂ֪ושׂ כָּל־הָ֫אָ֥רֶץ הַר־צִ֭יֹּון יַרְכְּתֵ֣י צָפֹ֑ון קִ֝רְיַ֗ת מֶ֣לֶךְ רָֽב׃

1 Shiyr mizmowr liVneey-qorach:
Gaadowl YHWH uwmhullaal m'od b`iyr Eloheeynuw har-qaadshow:
2 Yfeeh nowf msows kaal-haa'aarets har-Tsiyyown yarkteey tsaafown qiryat melekh raaV:

1 A-song a-psalm to-sons - of-Qorach:
Great [is] YHWH and-to-be-praised greatly in-city of-our-God mountain-of-His-holiness:
2 Beautifully high joy of-all-the-earth [is] mountain-of-Tsiyyown aligned-with north city of-king of-many:

Again, the "mountain of Tsiyyown" is called the "city of [the] King of many!" And, this is just two of many places where this "confusion" between the mountain and the city may be seen! The answer is in the SIZE of the city, according to Revelation 21:

Revelation 21:9-16 (KJV)

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying,

"Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife!"

10 And he carried me away in the spirit (on the wind) to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God (Greek: τὴν πόλιν τὴν μεγάλην, τὴν ἁγίαν Ἰερουσαλὴμ, καταβαίνουσαν ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ ἀπὸ τοῦ Θεοῦ = "the city the great, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of-the sky from the God"), 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. (i.e., aligned with north) 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare (Greek: καὶ ἡ πόλις τετράγωνος κεῖται = "and the city four-angled lies"), and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs (Greek: καὶ ἐμέτρησε τὴν πόλιν τῷ καλάμῳ ἐπὶ σταδίων δώδεκα χιλιάδων = "and he-measured the city with-the tube upon stads twelve thousands"). The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

The Greek "stadion" = the equivalent of the Roman "stadium" was 607.14222 feet long, according to the mile markers scattered all over Europe and the Middle East. Twelve thousand of these lengths would be ...

12,000 stad x 607.14222 ft/stad x 1 mi/5,280 ft = 1,379.868686... miles long! Not only is it this long in the north-south direction, but it is also this long in the east-west direction. It is also this HIGH from the center of the base of the city!

This city MUST sit upon the New Earth. It cannot be away from the One who reigns over the earth! One should understand that THIS city possesses the description of what many call "Heaven." The streets of gold, the pearly gates, the walls of jasper, these are all the traits of the CITY, the New Jerusalem, not of some "Heaven!"

It can only be likened to "heaven" in the sense that it must carry its own atmosphere because it is currently being built above the skies and it houses the tree of life, a REAL tree from which Adam and Chavah may have eaten before they fell. The city also TOWERS above our own atmosphere; so, it must have atmosphere of its own on the higher levels. If not for the people (although I believe they will need air as well), at least for the TREES!

7 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Now, Mount Zion is in the highest heaven and that is where the Body of Christ will rule from, (Rev. 3: 21,  Heb. 12: 22)

The city part of Jerusalem comes down out of heaven to the lower heavens where it will rule. (Rev. 21: 2)

No, they are not separate! The City IS the Mountain! Think about a city that is 1,380 miles high! Mount Everest is only 5.5 miles high!

In answer to Revelation 3:21, simply look above it to 3:12!

Revelation 3:12 (KJV)

12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven (Greek: καταβαίνει ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ = "coming-down out of-the-sky") from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

And, this implies that the City LANDS! For there's nothing between the atmosphere that is called the "sky" and the ground. It must "SIT" upon the earth; it has FOUNDATIONS of which the first, at least, should be set within the earth; and it has water flowing from the throne at its peak down throughout the city and flowing out of the gates onto the New Earth. This river is said to be in a median of the street throughout the city. Where would the street go, if not eventually to the gates?

[Your closest friendnt]

35 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi NConly,

Remember Hebrews 6: 20 - 7: 1 & 2.

The Lord is High priest, not of the Aaronic order, but of the Melchizedek order of Kingpriest. As He is High priest then there are other priests and they are of the same order - Kingpriest. The Body of Christ is of that order - kingpriests.

That order is only in the third heaven, while lower down the two offices are separate. 

Greetings to you Marilyn. 

Melhisedec was not a High Priest and he was alone not other Priest were under his command and he did not have a Temple.  

Melhisedec did not have garments to let others know that he was a Priest.

Melhisedec was a warrior like Abraham...he had to defend his kingdom he went to wars. 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Marilyn C]

22 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Greetings to you Marilyn. 

Melhisedec was not a High Priest and he was alone not other Priest were under his command and he did not have a Temple.  

Melhisedec did not have garments to let others know that he was a Priest.

Melhisedec was a warrior like Abraham...he had to defend his kingdom he went to wars. 

`For this Melchisedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God...` (Heb. 7: 1)

Melchisedek was a king priest.

`We have such a High priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,...` (Heb. 8: 1)

Jesus is the High Priest, and King, - king (high) priest.

[Marilyn C]

38 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Marilyn C.

Well, that's enough of this nonsense. The city IS the mountain! Haven't you learned that, yet?

 

Hi Retro,

You need to repent of that attitude you constantly have towards me.

[kwikphilly]

On 6/4/2023 at 11:11 AM, Vine Abider said:

I read this last night in Nee's aforementioned book, "The Glorious Church" and was taken by it's simple explanation of the picture of Christ and the church presented in Adam and Eve!  Below is the first three pages of chapter 3, where Nee explains this. (please forgive the formatting as this was scanned by an OCR program)

(I'm chewing on his stating that "the body of Christ" is always referred to in scripture as a present reality, whereas all the mentions of "the bride of Christ" are future tense . . .)

What a picture of Christ & His church we have with Adam & Eve!!!

 

 CHAPTER THREE

THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THE
BRIDE OF CHRIST

We have already seen how Eve typifies the Church in
God's plan. In God's plan all that is of the Church is com-
pletely out of Christ. It contains nothing of man and has
no relationship whatever with sin. Our God is determined to
have such a Church. Anything less than this can never satisfy
His heart. He not only planned this kind of Church, but He

is going to obtain it. Hallelujah! It is a fact! We must_
realize that our God can never be hindered or frustrated.
When He purposes something, though Hades and all creation's
forces rise to oppose Him, He cannot be resisted. Though we
are fallen and full of failure, though we are fleshly and soulish
departing far from God and disobeying Him, yet God will still
attain His purpose. No matter what man does, he cannot ruin,
God's plan; at the most he can only delay it. So we must not
only realize God's purpose, but also be clear that God will
fully attain what He has purposed. From eternity God pur-
posed to obtain a Church completely out of Christ, a Church
containing no impurity of man, no element of earth, nor any
savor of sin. Every part of her is something out of Christ, and
Christ is her very life.

But, beginning with Genesis 3, man fell. So now we
have not only the fact of God's purpose in creation, but also
the fact of man's fall. Let us see, then, the way God has
devised to amend the situation.

Ephesians 5: 25-30 says: "Husbands, love your wives,
even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for
it; that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing
of water with the word, that he might present the church to
himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any

such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish'
Even so ought husbands also to love their own wives as their

own bodies. He that loveth his own wife loveth himself: for

no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth

it, even as Christ also the church; because we are members of

his body."

These six verses of Scripture may be divided into two
sections: the first, consisting of verses 25-27, tells us the first
reason why husbands should love their wives; the second,
verses 28-30, tells us the second reason husbands should
love their wives. In these two sections we see two com-
mands to love the wife, and we see also two reasons. But
there is a difference between these two sections. The first
section says that Christ "loved" the Church and "gave" Himself
for her-these verbs are all in the past tense. But, beginning
with verse 28, the verbs are all in the present tense, such as
"nourish" and "cherish." These two portions of Scripture,

. therefore, are of different elements of time-one section refers
to something of the past, and the other to the present.

The subjects of these two sections are also different. The
 first section refers to the Church as the Bride of Christ, and the
second speaks of the Church as the Body of Christ. In the
first section, when the Church is referred to as the Bride of.
Christ, the past tense is used. Why? Because the whole
purpose of Christ, thus revealed to us, is to have a Bride. Even
His death was for this purpose, that He might obtain a Bride.
Although He will obtain His Bride in the future, yet the work
pas been finished in the past. And, what about the present?
The Church today is the Body of Christ, and the Lord is
presently nourishing and cherishing His Church.

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BODY
AND THE BRIDE

In the Lord's eyes, the Church has two positions: as to
her life, the Church is the Body of Christ, but regarding her
future, she is the Bride of Christ. As to the union of Christ
with the Church. the Church is His Body; regarding the inti-

mate relationship of Christ with the Church, the Church is His

Wherever God's Word speaks of the oneness between

Christ and the Church, we see Christ as the Head and the
Church as His Body. Wherever the Word shows the distinc-
tion between Christ and the Church, we see the Church as the
Bride to Christ. It is true that Adam and Eve were spoken of
as two becoming "one flesh," but they were still two persons;
God still counted them as two. Adam was still Adam, and
Eve was still Eve. They were two united to be one. This is
the relationship between the Church and Christ. From one
they became two, and from two they became one. When God
first created man, He made male and female. Eve came out from
Adam; thus, she and Adam were one. Even so, the Church
comes out from Christ; therefore, the Church and Christ are
also one. However, since Adam and Eve both existed at the
same time, there was a distinction between them. Likewise,
since the Church and Christ coexist, there is also a distinction
between them. Regarding oneness, they are one, but as to
the matter of distinction, they differ from each other.

These two different positions have to do with the differ-
ence in time. Today the Church is the Body of Christ, but in
the future the Church will be the Bride of Christ. The Church
today is the Body of Christ for the purpose of manifesting the
life of Christ. One day, when the Church is mature in life.
God will bring the Church to Christ, and in that day she will
become the Bride of Christ. Some people think that the
Church is the Bride of Christ today, but this is wrong. There
is no such thing. Since the Lord Jesus is not yet the Bride-
groom, how could the Church already be His Bride? No, not
until that day when the work of the Church as the Body of
Christ has been accomplished will God bring the Church to
Christ and she will become His Bride.

 

Blessings VA

    I've not read tye book but I think I will,looks wonderful as most of Watchman Nees writings are-thanks for sharing

 Started out a lovely Topic and I glanced at it a few times but at spiraled into something else I completely lost interest,what a pity.In any event your first 2 posts remained in my mind and on my heart but even more,in my Spirit

Having said that often it's hard to translate into words what is Received in Spirit-Im not sure I'll convey properly but I've been wanting to share many times when the topic comes up regarding the Body vs the Bride - the question always begs"are they the same"

  Well,to put is as simply as possible one has to consider a young lady engaged to be married-what happens that "transforms" her into a Bride? She's promised to her fiancee,He Chose her,she accepted and then they make plans for the ceremony,the celebration .But wait,is that it? No,much more has to happen before they become one flesh,right?

   Anyway,the Body of Christ is being prepared for a wedding,a feast ..  the Body was Chosen accepted and has much to look forward to in Great Expectation of being United as Bride and Groom....as you mentioned much to accomplish first

A physical Body cannot become One Spiritual Body until it is completely free from the bondage of flesh,decay,corruption   ... the Born Again  Believers Spirit  was Made Alive in Christ and is now a member of the Body of Christ- that spiritual Body attends the wedding ceremony and then in new Glofified Bodies the Body is One with Christ as His Bride     

Dies that sound about right? My brain can hardly keep up with tye Spirit but I went for it,lol   Praise Jesus!

With love in Christ,Kwik

So,are the Body & the Bride the same thing? Not exactly,YET

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Greetings to you Marilyn. 

Melhisedec was not a High Priest and he was alone not other Priest were under his command and he did not have a Temple.  

Melhisedec did not have garments to let others know that he was a Priest.

Melhisedec was a warrior like Abraham...he had to defend his kingdom he went to wars. 

Some believe Melchisedec was a manifestation of Christ our High Priest. The writer of Hebrews uses the word "similitude".

According to my web search results, Melchizedek served as a type and shadow of Jesus Christ. As a prophet, high priest, and king, he was similar to Jesus Christ who is considered the greatest of the prophets, priests, and kings. Paul wrote that “After the similitude of Melchisedec, there ariseth another priest” (Heb. 7:15), referring to Jesus Christ. [Bing Chatbot]

[NConly]

6 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi NConly,

Remember Hebrews 6: 20 - 7: 1 & 2.

The Lord is High priest, not of the Aaronic order, but of the Melchizedek order of Kingpriest. As He is High priest then there are other priests and they are of the same order - Kingpriest. The Body of Christ is of that order - kingpriests.

That order is only in the third heaven, while lower down the two offices are separate. 

ok I can see where kingpriest came from it is one of the bible versions less than ,my guess, 40 years old, neither verse you quoted says kingpriest in my kjv. thanks.

[Vine Abider]

5 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings VA

    I've not read tye book but I think I will,looks wonderful as most of Watchman Nees writings are-thanks for sharing

 Started out a lovely Topic and I glanced at it a few times but at spiraled into something else I completely lost interest,what a pity.In any event your first 2 posts remained in my mind and on my heart but even more,in my Spirit

Having said that often it's hard to translate into words what is Received in Spirit-Im not sure I'll convey properly but I've been wanting to share many times when the topic comes up regarding the Body vs the Bride - the question always begs"are they the same"

  Well,to put is as simply as possible one has to consider a young lady engaged to be married-what happens that "transforms" her into a Bride? She's promised to her fiancee,He Chose her,she accepted and then they make plans for the ceremony,the celebration .But wait,is that it? No,much more has to happen before they become one flesh,right?

   Anyway,the Body of Christ is being prepared for a wedding,a feast ..  the Body was Chosen accepted and has much to look forward to in Great Expectation of being United as Bride and Groom....as you mentioned much to accomplish first

A physical Body cannot become One Spiritual Body until it is completely free from the bondage of flesh,decay,corruption   ... the Born Again  Believers Spirit  was Made Alive in Christ and is now a member of the Body of Christ- that spiritual Body attends the wedding ceremony and then in new Glofified Bodies the Body is One with Christ as His Bride     

Dies that sound about right? My brain can hardly keep up with tye Spirit but I went for it,lol   Praise Jesus!

With love in Christ,Kwik

So,are the Body & the Bride the same thing? Not exactly,YET

Thanks much for your response! It is "interesting" the various sidebar discussions we get into isn't it!? 

In any case, really liked your explanation of the progression.  It's not complicated, and in my experience, when we start complicating things is when we move away from the simplicity in Christ!

[kwikphilly]

12 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Thanks much for your response! It is "interesting" the various sidebar discussions we get into isn't it!? 

In any case, really liked your explanation of the progression.  It's not complicated, and in my experience, when we start complicating things is when we move away from the simplicity in Christ!

Amen Brother ....I knew someone who always said"if it was something we needed to know God's Word Would've Said So!"❤️

What do they say?"Keep it simple,stupid!"lol

God Bless you,I'm am going to get the book.....good Topic