Who's who of Revelation 12

[AdHoc]

5 hours ago, douggg said:

Jesus is caught up to God and his throne in Revelation 12:5.   

The wonder John sees portrayed in the third heaven is of historic events (verses 1-5) and end times events in (verses 6-12)

In Revelation 12:10 Satan and his angels have been cast down to earth from the second heaven, an end times event to take just after the seventh angel in Revelation 11 sounds.

The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is in Revelation 12:12 Satan having great wrath knowing he has but a short time - the time/times/half time.

No, the 1260 days is the first half of the seven years, before the seventh angel sounds his trumpet.    Israel never makes a pact with the beast.    

In Daniel 9:27, the Antichrist person, perceived by the Jews initially as their messiah, confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years.    The for 7 years is in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, as a requirement of Moses, to have the law of Moses read to the nation of Israel on a 7 year cycle.

Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth, just after the first 1260 days of the 7 years, to fulfill the mystery of God (Revelation 10:7 in the days of the seventh angel) to destroy Satan and his angels' kingdom of Mystery Babylon the Great - that has wreaked havoc and caused all of ills in creation - both in heaven and upon the earth.

Babylon is fallen, is fallen, in Revelation 18, in one hour, and described in the analogy of a great trading city built on evil comes to a sudden end.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

There is only one fit to that verse.   Satan and his angels' mystical kingdom is Mystery Babylon the Great.

Okay. Thanks for the reply. In your previous posting you admitted that Revelation 12 is a continuation of Chapter 11. How then is 12:1-6 historical?

And if you insert Israel for the Woman and Christ for the Man-Child, what then is the prophecy?

Let us start with just three facts.

1. Israel is seen in heaven. Since she must be pregnant with Jesus, when, and what, does this prophecy show and when was it accomplished?

2- Where is it a fact of accomplished prophecy that Israel fled to a wilderness for 1260 days after the birth of Jesus?

3. If the Dragon planned to devour Jesus at birth, why did he not do it, seeing that Jesus was unprotected in a manger?

The idea is not to tangle prophecy, but to set forth the message and aim of this prophecy.

[douggg]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Okay. Thanks for the reply. In your previous posting you admitted that Revelation 12 is a continuation of Chapter 11. How then is 12:1-6 historical?

12:1-5, not 12:1-6,is historical.    It about Satan's attempt to have Jesus killed through Herod, as soon as he was born.

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Let us start with just three facts.

1. Israel is seen in heaven. Since she must be pregnant with Jesus, when, and what, does this prophecy show and when was it accomplished?

The wonder, the vision, is what appears in the third heaven, as everyone there saw it along with John.     Israel is not directly in heaven.

Verses 1-5 are about about Satan's attempt to have Jesus killed through Herod, as soon as he was born.

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

2- Where is it a fact of accomplished prophecy that Israel fled to a wilderness for 1260 days after the birth of Jesus?

That is an end times event, not yet fulfilled,  and Israel will be in a metaphorical wilderness, a state of being, of the Jews having embraced the Antichrist, thinking he is their messiah.

During the 1260 days, the two witnesses will be feeding her the word of God.

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

3. If the Dragon planned to devour Jesus at birth, why did he not do it, seeing that Jesus was unprotected in a manger?

Because the three wise men were told not to go back to Herod to say where they saw Jesus, the new born King of the Jews.

Matthew 2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

 

Edited June 20, 2023 by douggg

[AdHoc]

2 hours ago, douggg said:

12:1-5, not 12:1-6,is historical.    It about Satan's attempt to have Jesus killed through Herod, as soon as he was born.

The wonder, the vision, is what appears in the third heaven, as everyone there saw it along with John.     Israel is not directly in heaven.

Verses 1-5 are about about Satan's attempt to have Jesus killed through Herod, as soon as he was born.

That is an end times event, not yet fulfilled,  and Israel will be in a metaphorical wilderness, a state of being, of the Jews having embraced the Antichrist, thinking he is their messiah.

During the 1260 days, the two witnesses will be feeding her the word of God.

Because the three wise men were told not to go back to Herod to say where they saw Jesus, the new born King of the Jews.

Matthew 2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

 

Okay. Thanks for the response. God bless.

[WilliamL]

On 6/16/2023 at 9:00 AM, AdHoc said:

Chapter 12 ... When it says that Satan (the Dragon) had but a short while, it means 3½ years. 1260 days is the time-frame from the Dragon cast out of heaven till the end when the Dragon is bound in an Abyss.

Pure speculation on your part. Rev. 12 says nothing of the kind, nor infers it.

Actually, the time will most likely be a 40-year generation.

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2753-egypt-part-1-its-coming-40-year-desolation/

Summary of Part 1:

"After this final earthquake and the battle foretold in Zechariah 14 is over, Egypt will be one of the nations required to “go up from year to year [to Jerusalem]…to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.” Zech. 14:16, 18 SO THE 40-YEAR EXILE OF EGYPT EFFECTIVELY DATES THE PERIOD OF THE END TIMES FROM THE 6TH SEAL THROUGH THE 7TH BOWL.

More scriptural evidence of these things will be provided in Part 2."

Edited June 21, 2023 by WilliamL