Let's discuss Revelation 17

[Shilohsfoal]

20 minutes ago, douggg said:

Zechariah 14:11 is not referring to destruction of Jerusalem, but the utter destruction around the world that will have taken place during the great tribulation.   And in spite of that utter destruction to places around the world, Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

It will be safely inhabited after it has been made desolate.

The abomination that causes Jerusalems desolation will be placed in Jerusalem by the armed forces of the king of the north,after the king of the south conquers it.

It will be a time of tribulation,the likes of which the world has never seen.

 

Truman said if Japan’s leaders “do not now accept our terms they may expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this Earth

 

 

Isaiah 14

 

²⁹ Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

³⁰ And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

³¹ Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

Edited June 25, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

What are you talking about "1230" day ?

In Daniel 8, the AoD is never mentioned.    It is the ToD in Daniel 8:12-14.

You wrote...."They flee for 30 days from the 1290 to the 1260 Anti-Christ event."

Well, if you want to count it "backwards" via the 1185 I am just showing you the 1290 happens on day 1230, which is 30 days before the 1260 middle of the week events. HOW HARD is it to understand that 1290 days BEFORE ALL THESE WONDERS END at the 2nd Coming has to have 1290 days between when the even STARTS and ENDS, and thus if the 1260 has only 1260 days the 1290 has to start 30 days BEFORE the 1260 event. The NAME of the Event is not relevant when dealing with numbers, we can add the name of the event at any time.

So, if I told you that in  exactly 100 days there would a football game between LSU and Bama and in 130 days there would be a football game between Bama and Auburn, you could grasp that. 

But, if I gave it to you in a different fashion, where two major games lead up to a point in time where ALL FOOTBAL ENDS, why can't you also solve this equation? 

So, I tell you that Football will never be played again at a certain point in the future (God can do this I cant but its an EXAMPLE), and I say Bama plays their last game 130 days before this EVENT and Tenn. plays their last game 100 days before this event, ENDS ALL FOOTBALL.

Which game comes FIRST? Which game comes LAST? Its not that hard tbh. The Bama game came is played 130 days before this EVENT and then Tenn. game is played 100 days before this HUGE EVENT. The teams I used could be Auburn and UCLA, the teams do not matter per se, the NUMBERS explain themselves.

So, if you can not grasp the 1290 comes 30 days before the 1260 that is on you I can't make you grasp it brother. Its not difficult, and Jesus as I stated needed no GRAPHS or CHARTS, neither do I.
 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

Zechariah 14:11 is not referring to destruction of Jerusalem, but the utter destruction around the world that will have taken place during the great tribulation.   And in spite of that utter destruction to places around the world, Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

I hope you understand the great tribulation Jesus was speaking of in Mathew 24 is after the abomination that causes jerusalems desolation is placed in Jerusalem.Not in Hillsville Virginia.

[douggg]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, if you want to count it "backwards" via the 1185 I am just showing you the 1290 happens on day 1230, which is 30 days before the 1260 middle of the week events.

The end of the seven years is day 2520.    The beginning of the seven years is day 1.

day 1..................................Aod day 1185..................day 1260.........................................day 2520

2520- 1290 =   1230

So according to you...

day 1............................Aod day 1185.....day 1230......day 1260.........................................day 2520

 

Revelation Man, why can't you do something like I just did above, to communicate what you mean ?   And please stop with the "day" "days" omission, confusion factor, like you writing "the 1185".  

Type in the three letters for day - to read - day 1185.    You would get an "F" in English, by your high school English teacher, for your "laziness" in leaving out the word day.   In fact "the" and "day" are both three letters on the keyboard.    Why do you want to be so obstinate to others, who struggle through to read your posts?

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

HOW HARD is it to understand that 1290 days BEFORE ALL THESE WONDERS END at the 2nd Coming has to have 1290 days between when the even STARTS and ENDS,

What scripture are you taking "BEFORE ALL THESE WONDERS END" from ?

You seem to be saying the first of "THESE WONDERS" begins on day 1230 ?    What is the first of "THESE WONDERS" ?

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If you are referring to Daniel 12:6, the first of the wonders would be Michael standing up for Daniel's people in Daniel 12:1.

However, we do not see that taking place until after the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 - which Michael and his angels fight against Satan and his angels in Revelation 12:7-9.

So your understanding of the 1290 days in Daniel 12:11, begin on day 1230 - is wrong.

The 1290 days begin on the AoD Day 1185.     Day 1185 + 1290 days = Day 2475.      On Day 2475, the sixth seal event takes place, and the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven - Jesus with sickle in hand.

In the 45 days between Day 2475 and Day 2520, the kings of the earth mobilize their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2023 by douggg

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I hope you understand the great tribulation Jesus was speaking of in Mathew 24 is after the abomination that causes jerusalems desolation is placed in Jerusalem.Not in Hillsville Virginia.

The abomination of desolation makes the temple (to be built) in Jerusalem, on the temple mount, to be desolate from worship of the One True God by the Jews who will be conducting temple related activities - that will suddenly be stopped (by the Antichrist), when the Antichrist has the audacity to claim that he has achieved God-hood.

The great tribulation begins then and impacts the entire world.

 

Edited June 25, 2023 by douggg

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, douggg said:

The abomination of desolation makes the temple (to be built) in Jerusalem, on the temple mount, to be desolate from worship of the One True God by the Jews who will be conducting temple related activities - that will suddenly be stopped (by the Antichrist), when the Antichrist has the audacity to claim that he has achieved God-hood.

The great tribulation begins then and impacts the entire world.

 

Not hardly.

The abomination that causes desolation is the Israeli governments Samson option being performed by its closest ally the USA.

After the he beast from the abyss rises up and takes Jerusalem and kills about all the unbelieving Jews who you say worship God,the USA destroys the entire middle east with nuclear weapons .

The abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem it will cause the heavens to burn with a fervent heat and melt the elements.

No greater tribulation has ever been or ever shall be when the US uses many nuclear warheads to destroy all the countries that have come against the Israel government and it's unbelieving people .

Edited June 26, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Revelation Man]

15 hours ago, douggg said:

The end of the seven years is day 2520.    The beginning of the seven years is day 1.

day 1..................................Aod day 1185..................day 1260.........................................day 2520

Since all you can understand is charts, for some reason. By the way there is no guarantee that the last 7 years will be 2520 days exactly, they run on God time via Lunar moons.

Daniel 12 says the AoD happens at the 1290 or 1290 DAYS BEFORE ALL THESE WONDERS END (DBATWE).

Day 1................Day 1230(AoD) which is 1290 DBALWE...............1260 A.C........................................................2520 OR 2nd Coming.

2520 - 1290 = DAY 1230.

This is as easy as adding 2 + 2 = 4, there is no need for a chart.

15 hours ago, douggg said:

Revelation Man, why can't you do something like I just did above, to communicate what you mean ?   And please stop with the "day" "days" omission, confusion factor, like you writing "the 1185".  

 

Because it is not really needed, when I say the AoD is 1290 days until Jesus' Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS that is self explanatory, that also is east to grasp that the 1290 comes 30 days before the 1260, and therefore can not be the Anti-Christ who only conquers at the 1260.

I do this on purpose, my choice, these are EVENTS as pegged by God that are a certain number of days until the 2nd Coming ends all of theses things Daniel was shown. God planed these as events, and each eve was a set number of days until the 2nd Coming.

1.) The 1335 Event = the Two-witnesses who show up 1335 days before the 2nd Coming of Jesus ends THESE WONDERS.

2.) The 1290 Event = the AoD where the False Prophet forbids Jesus worship and sets up the AoD 1290 days BATWE.

3.) The 1260 Event = the Anti-Christ going forth conquering and thus becoming The Beast. This will happen 1260 days before he comes to his end via the 2nd Coming of Jesus. Amen. 

Here is the gist, I repeat nothing without TESTING it out first. Everything fits the timelines of God. TRY IT YOURSELF. 

The 2 Witnesses show up BEFORE the DOTL as Malachi 4:5 and Zech. 13:8-9 and Zech. 14:1 both shows us. So, that matches them being the 1335 Blessing via the timelines. Then we see that the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, the 3rd Woe is yet to come, the Beast is killed at the end of the 3rd Woe which is all 7 Vials, which emits from the 7th Trump. Thus God gave us a VERY SIMPLE way to understand all of these things, he ALLOWS the Two-witnesses to die for only one reason, so we can juxtapose both of their timelines against each other via their 1260 days in office. 

COMMON SENSE tells us if both have 1260 day offices ordained by God and one dies before the other then those offices can not parallel each other perfectly. The Two-witnessed die first so they must show up first. The do, at the 1335 vs. the 1260, understanding this we now can also understand the 1290 can not be the Anti-Christ, it has to be the False Prophet. This gives Israel 30 days to Flee Judea. Now ask yourself, would God not have enough FORETHOUGHT to not allow Israel to get conquered by this Beast before they are given a SIGN (AoD) to flee Judea? It makes absolutely no sense if the Beast is the one who enters the temple at the 1290, what good is a SIGN after you get conquered? See how the 1290 being the False Prophet makes perfect sense? It fits because it is truth. No Meat Sacrifice being "TAKEN AWAY" can defile the temple, the fact that it is CLEANSED should tell you Israel have already repented before the 1290 event (AoD). Thus the False Prophet simply decrees that Jesus Worship is forbidden, that is what is "TAKEN AWAY" and the AoD is placed in the temple, and Image of the E.U. President/Beast. 

16 hours ago, douggg said:

Type in the three letters for day - to read - day 1185.    You would get an "F" in English, by your high school English teacher, for your "laziness" in leaving out the word day.   In fact "the" and "day" are both three letters on the keyboard.    Why do you want to be so obstinate to others, who struggle through to read your posts?

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Nope, because I would explain to the English teacher that even those these are a set number of days, they are EVENTS which a Pre Incarnate Jesus told us about in this secretive manner on purpose, but he wants us to figure out what these events are then TAG them with that name. 

Two-witnesses = the 1335 Blessing (Israel repents)

False Prophet = the 1290 AoD

Anti-Christ/Beast = the 1260 Conquering of Israel (MSR)

The numbers are these three events, so these three numbers ARE THESE EVENTS as per Bible Prophecy miss teacher, so move aside and let me teach. (SMILE)

16 hours ago, douggg said:

What scripture are you taking "BEFORE ALL THESE WONDERS END" from ?

You seem to be saying the first of "THESE WONDERS" begins on day 1230 ?    What is the first of "THESE WONDERS" ?

You have grasped the numbers are indeed juxtaposed against the 2nd Coming, however the 1335 has to come first because its the larger number, and thus further away from the 2nd Coming on the timeline, so to speak. Then comes the 1290, and finally the 1260. We (I do anyway) know what each number represents, thus there is no need to spell it out every time.

So, the second number is the 1290m that happens on the "1230" via the way you use charts.

16 hours ago, douggg said:

If you are referring to Daniel 12:6, the first of the wonders would be Michael standing up for Daniel's people in Daniel 12:1.

No, not per se, although that happens also on the 1260. Remember, there were no chapters and verses, Daniel 10 through Dan. 12 was ONE LONG Vision. So, ALL THESE WONDERS are speaking about the very end of this Greek Kingdom which Gabriel showed coming to pass by God mandating Greece conquering Persia and Michael getting resistance (from Apollyon) for 21 days, then we go from Alexander the Great unto Antiochus Epiphanes in verses 21-34 THEN we get the End Time Beast in verses 36-45 in which Daniel is told this man will "COME TO HIS END". So, therefore in Dan. 12:6 the Angel asks "WHEN WILL ALL THESE WONDERS END" and that is referring back to Dan. 11:36-45. Daniel 12:1-3 is just a continuation on Dan. 11:36-45 IMHO, and should be together, after he comes to his end, it is explained how Michael shields or protects Israel and at THIS TIME (when this man dies in vs. 45) Israeli Saints will be resurrected at the VERY END. Only in vs. 4 do we see Gabriel and the Man in Linen (Jesus) start to explain somewhat, yet the first thing they say is these understandings are locked up until the END TIMES. You might be chatting with the first guy the Lord has shown what the 1335, 1290 and 1260 actually means. God choses who He will. 

So, Michael standing up has nothing to do per se with the 1335, the 1290 or 1260, but he does do it at the 1260, but this is not being specifically referenced in the 1260, that is about the coming Anti-Christ conquering Israel, thus it goes without saying Michael and God needs to protect those Jews who repent for 1260 days.

16 hours ago, douggg said:

However, we do not see that taking place until after the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 - which Michael and his angels fight against Satan and his angels in Revelation 12:7-9.

 

Yes, the 1260 is 1260 days until all these wonders end at the 2nd coming, the 1290 is 1290 days before the 2nd coming and thus happens 30 days before the 1260 (A.C.) Thus it can only be the actions of the False Prophet (Jewish High Priest like unto Jason)

16 hours ago, douggg said:

So your understanding of the 1290 days in Daniel 12:11, begin on day 1230 - is wrong.

 

NO..........It is 100 percent correct, how does Michael/God protect the 1/3 of Israel who repent? They have to flee at the 1290 AoD sign of course. Why are you AGAIN trying to make the 126o events the 1290 events? The AoD is where the Jews who repent FLEE just before the 1260 conquering that is why they had to flee, because they were about to get conquered.

16 hours ago, douggg said:

The 1290 days begin on the AoD Day 1185.     Day 1185 + 1290 days = Day 2475.      On Day 2475, the sixth seal event takes place, and the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven - Jesus with sickle in hand.

The 1335 comes first, its the Two-witnesses Blessing, which turns Israel back unto God. The 1290 is the AoD sign to FLEE Judea before the Anti-Christ conquers them. The 1260 is The Conquering by the A.C. who only becomes THE BEAST once he conquers. Yu problem as I see it is you get ideas and it is not possible for you to overcome thee ideas. So, God has a hard time uprooting these understandings, they BLOCK Him from teaching you His Eschatological truths.

The Seals DO NOTHING, and they happen before the DOTL.

God Bless

[Last Daze]

On 6/24/2023 at 1:24 PM, Revelation Man said:

I looked but its all wrong, there is no 2300 days, its 1150 days because there are TWO SACRIFCES each day, the Morning and the Evening, thus 2300 Sacrifices taken away means1150 days, which this fits into the Anti-Christs 42 month rule.

My thoughts too.  There is a word for days if what was meant was days.

[Diaste]

On 6/25/2023 at 8:38 AM, Revelation Man said:

We can add in Sacrifices being TAKEN AWAY by reading vs. 13, we know what is being taken away, its The Sacrifice (which is really just Jesus Worship being forbidden). But in Jewish practice, as shown above in Dan. 9:21 they gave TRIBUTE  or PRAYER unto God in the Evening and in the Morning. If they were in Jerusalem it may be a small sacrifice in reality, or a tribute, away from the temple Daniel prayed as a tribute. Then about the TIME of the Evening Oblation (tribute unto God/Prayer) Gabriel came. So, the lesson learned here is there were TWO TRIBUTES or Sacrifices daily not one, thus 2300 Tributes or Evening & Morning Sacrifices are TAKEN AWAY and that covers 1150 days, leave the TEXT AS IS, do not follow English Translators !! Who give us the proper translation (LOL) in vs. 26, but then CHANGE IT UP in the same chapter, because they saw a question that asked HOW LONG, thus they felt then need to make it 2300 days, not 2300 SACRIFICES and when you have 2 sacrifices a day, that equals 1150 actual days.

Absolutely not. 

I'll be back to this. Just ran across it, gotta get to work.

[douggg]

On 6/26/2023 at 8:44 AM, Revelation Man said:

Here is the gist, I repeat nothing without TESTING it out first. Everything fits the timelines of God. TRY IT YOURSELF. 

 

You don't have a comprehensive time line chart, nor a basic chart of the timeframes in Revelation - otherwise you would see that you interpretations do not fit.

 

Edited July 5, 2023 by douggg