Let's discuss Revelation 17

[ISofSYRINX]

On 6/18/2023 at 1:07 AM, Marilyn C said:

So, the `inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.` (Rev. 17: 2)

Just a passing thought…

…she killed off all the prophets, and the freedom that the people gained (to escape God) was at the cost of the prophets’ blood. But, it allowed them to further pervert God’s law and use it to control God’s chosen nation and lead them, and others, into sin.
 

Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any verse references that would parallel that. 
 

(thanks for letting me respond. I’m not sure how newbies are viewed by interrupting an in-process topic. If I’m out of line, please find a nice way to say it… if two of you are in agreement, the 2nd kindly worded reply is enough for me to dismiss myself from this thread.)

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, douggg said:

You don't have a comprehensive time line chart, nor a basic chart of the timeframes in Revelation - otherwise you would see that you interpretations do not fit.

 

You just can not see it, and there is nothing I can do about that it would seem. 

The Two-witnesses ARE NOT preaching in the WHOLE first half, that is just not possible unless the 7th Trump lasts for almost 1260 days by itself. Rev. 11 proves this can not be the case!!

Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt(Code for Jerusalem for the SAFETY of the Church), where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half(the 3.5 days is near the very end, after the 2nd Woe) , and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth(Prayed down the Plagues).

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand(Just means the Complete Divine Number Appointed to die): and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

So, these Two-witnesses preach and witness in the First Half of the 70th week, but die at the 2nd Woe and NO JUDGMENTS hot until the middle of the week 1260 event, so they die near the end says Rev. 11, but you gave them dying close to the middle of the week, it WILL NOT FIT, brother. 

I will show you how the Book of revelation plays out, I know 100 percent, I am not just guessing. I will not explain  (try not) I will just lay down each chapters TIME LINE.

Rev. 1 really has no timeline because Jesus Christ is merely the things which you have seen and God/Jesus are Eternal, they are God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Rev. 2 and 3 covers from Jesus' Death until his 2nd Coming, the THINGS WHCH ARE (as John was writing).

Rev. 4, 5, and 6 are the Church, in Heaven, after the Pre Trib Rapture but before the Judgments of God or Wrath of God or DOTL falls onto mankind at the middle of the week Rev. 8 Trumpet Judgments. Jesus is seen amidst the Church and opening the Seals which has God's 1260 days of Judgments bound in a scroll. 

Rev. 7 is the Jews fleeing Judea JUST BEFORE God's Wrath falls at the Rev. 8 1260 Judgment/DOTL Events. They start fleeing Judea at the 1290, just 30 days before the 1260 DOTL events start. They have 30 days to make it to the Petra/Bozrah area.

Rev. 8, 9, 16 (really 15&16 see Rev. 8, it INCLUDES the Angels readying to sound the Trumps) are the 1260 days of God's Wrath being cast down onto mankind. It starts with the First Four Trumps which is ONE ASTEROID IMPACT EVENT being looked at from four different angles. The fire that hits before the impact, THE IMPACT, the FALLOUT and the Sun and Moon going dark from all the smoke from the fires of 1/3 of the world burning, which I think is North & South America, but after the Rapture !!

We then are told in Rev. 8:13 that the Three Trumps yet to sound are the Three Woes to come. So, in Rev. 9 we get the 1st Woe (Apollyon and his demons in the pit are released), then in Woe #2 we see 200 Million Angels (I think it just means the complete hosts of heaven) kills 1/3 of all men who have the Mark of the Beast. Finally, the 7th Trump brings us the 3rd Woe which is all 7 Vials in total, as seen in Rev. 16 which ends via Jesus 2nd coming in verse 19. This ENDS God's Wrath, BUT thee are other chapters that of course OVERLAPS this timeline, Rev. 8, 9 and 16 covers the 1260 days of God's Wrath against mankind.

Rev. 10 is merely John being told that the 7 Thunders (Trumps) contain all of God's Wrath and when the 7 Thunders have sounded time will be no more [as we know it now]. It was bitter/sour and sweet because this JUDGMENTS brings forth our everlasting relationship with God/Jesus, BUT......it also brings billions of human deaths, and this it is both bitter & sweet to John. This, will of course last fir 1260 days.

Rev. 11 is the Two-witnesses chapter, this of course lasts for 1260 days, even though they are killed after 1260 days (of course). So, how can it last 1335 days? Because the 7th Trump/3rd Woe/7 Vials are prayed down by the Two-witnesses, that is why the passage says BEHOLD, the 3rd Woe comes quickly!! The Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing !! 

Now we get into the chapters that covers the exact same 1260 days as God's Wrath/DOTL. Rev. 10 does also, but that has zero people per se in it, its just a statement about the 7 Trumps/Thunders.

Parenthetical Chapters that Parallel God's 42 months of Wrath.

Rev. 12, we see Satan chases the Woman (Israel in code) for 1260 days, so he is cast down from heaven at the mid-point. Israel thus needs protection for 1260 days, she will have 30 days to flee Judea, of course aa SIGN has to have a TIME-FRAME to flee in or the sign is worthless !! She flees at the 1290, which is 75 days after the Two-witnesses show up to turn Israel back unto God. 

Rev. 13 is the Beast who only becomes the Beast when he conquers Israel and THE MANY (The Whole Mediterranean Sea Region). This of course, as we know, covers 42 months. Just as like DOTL.

Rev. 17 covers the exact same 42 months, the A.C. will seek to kill off ALL Religions save Beast Worship, in so doing he judges FALSE RELIGION for God (vs. 17 says God put it into their hearts to do His will). This can only cover his 42 month rule as the Beast !! 

Rev. 18 covers the 42 months of God's Wrath because this is Gods Wrath, in poetic/prose form. We see in vs. 2 it states Babylon (whole world) has become the habitation of devils, well, Satan is cast down and Apollyon released, so of course this is factual. Then in vs. 4 we see God calling Israel to come out of the world (Babylon) lest she receive of her plagues (God's Wrath). Then we are told in prose form, how those men who so loved this evil world (Babylon) will get just what she trusted in, NOTHING, ad all of her TREASURES (this evil world) will be burned up. Judgment will come in ONE DAY (DOTL = 42 months) and in ONE HOUR (The 10 kings in Rev 17:12 rule one hour with the Beast or 42 months) So, this chapter covers God's 42 months of Wrath.

Rev. 14 and 19 both covers the full 7 years. In Rev. 14:14 we get a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rapture. (the Three Harvest Chapter) In Rev. 19 we see the Bride in Heaven BEFORE she has gotten her White Robe, so we get Raptured, then Marry the Lamb, for 7 years, so when we see we have not married the Lamb yet, we know this has to cover 7 full years. We have on White Robes in Rev. 4:4 already. So Rev. 19 happens BEFORE Rev. 4:4, right after Rev. 4:1 where John is told to COME UP HERE.

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[douggg]

59 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

So, these Two-witnesses preach and witness in the First Half of the 70th week, but die at the 2nd Woe

No, they do not die at the second woe.    The text does not say they die as a result of the second woe.

The second woe is a third of man-kind being killed by the 200,000,000 man army.

Nothing in Revelation 11 about the two witnesses being involved with the 200,000,000 man army.

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The world celebrates over the deaths of the two witnesses, exchanging presents with one another.     Does that sound like a time when a third of mankind is being killed by a 200,000,000 man army ?

 

 

 

 

 

[Marilyn C]

7 hours ago, ISofSYRINX said:

Just a passing thought…

…she killed off all the prophets, and the freedom that the people gained (to escape God) was at the cost of the prophets’ blood. But, it allowed them to further pervert God’s law and use it to control God’s chosen nation and lead them, and others, into sin.
 

Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any verse references that would parallel that. 
 

(thanks for letting me respond. I’m not sure how newbies are viewed by interrupting an in-process topic. If I’m out of line, please find a nice way to say it… if two of you are in agreement, the 2nd kindly worded reply is enough for me to dismiss myself from this thread.)

Hi ISofSYRINX,

It`s fine to just pop in and post a comment. Saying that I would also suggest that your reply should really have scripture and be more than `just a passing thought,` and `off the top of my head.` 

We are here to discuss God`s word and not take that lightly.

regards, Marilyn.

[ISofSYRINX]

35 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi ISofSYRINX,

It`s fine to just pop in and post a comment. Saying that I would also suggest that your reply should really have scripture and be more than `just a passing thought,` and `off the top of my head.` 

We are here to discuss God`s word and not take that lightly.

regards, Marilyn.

When I act humble and stupid, people are nice…Sorry, I was cautiously trying to engage without abruptly coming across as a know-it-all. The reason is…

When people know that I am commissioned as a bible translator, a former theologian, teacher, speaker, etc, they get real nasty with me. 

Thank you for the admonition, but I promised the moderators that it would only take two times being spoken down to for me to leave, and you’re the second one on the same thread, same day.  
 

Oh, about my ‘passing thoughts…’

It’s all scripture, I removed the verse references and exercised my right to put it in my own words for the sake of brevity. 
 

 

 

 

[Marilyn C]

17 minutes ago, ISofSYRINX said:

When I act humble and stupid, people are nice…Sorry, I was cautiously trying to engage without abruptly coming across as a know-it-all. The reason is…

When people know that I am commissioned as a bible translator, a former theologian, teacher, speaker, etc, they get real nasty with me. 

Thank you for the admonition, but I promised the moderators that it would only take two times being spoken down to for me to leave, and you’re the second one on the same thread, same day.  
 

Oh, about my ‘passing thoughts…’

It’s all scripture, I removed the verse references and exercised my right to put it in my own words for the sake of brevity. 
 

 

 

 

Would love to hear your thoughts concerning God`s word. No need to leave as we are all learning to connect on the forums. 

I`m not put off by your giftings in the Lord. We all have something to contribute, so please do.

[Diaste]

  

On 6/25/2023 at 8:38 AM, Revelation Man said:

We can add in Sacrifices being TAKEN AWAY by reading vs. 13, we know what is being taken away, its The Sacrifice (which is really just Jesus Worship being forbidden). But in Jewish practice, as shown above in Dan. 9:21 they gave TRIBUTE  or PRAYER unto God in the Evening and in the Morning. If they were in Jerusalem it may be a small sacrifice in reality, or a tribute, away from the temple Daniel prayed as a tribute. Then about the TIME of the Evening Oblation (tribute unto God/Prayer) Gabriel came. So, the lesson learned here is there were TWO TRIBUTES or Sacrifices daily not one, thus 2300 Tributes or Evening & Morning Sacrifices are TAKEN AWAY and that covers 1150 days, leave the TEXT AS IS, do not follow English Translators !! Who give us the proper translation (LOL) in vs. 26, but then CHANGE IT UP in the same chapter, because they saw a question that asked HOW LONG, thus they felt then need to make it 2300 days, not 2300 SACRIFICES and when you have 2 sacrifices a day, that equals 1150 actual days.

Absolutely not. 

So in Gen 1, when evening and morning are called days, is that supposed to be only 3 days?

That would be weird.

But the context of Daniel isn't about one morning sacrifice and one evening sacrifice, it's the DAILY sacrifice, including all the sacrifices for the day, imo.

However, it's said the daily sacrifice consists of two lambs sacrificed every day, one at 9 am, one at 3 pm. This is what Gabriel is saying, this sacrifice, the daily one, consisting of the two lambs, is what is put to an end. 

This sacrifice is referred to as perpetual, not once a day, as in daily. Not twice a day. It is a whole consisting of two parts and is described as continuity sacrifice; called perpetual sacrifice. 

tamid: continuity

Original Word: תָּמִיד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tamid
Phonetic Spelling: (taw-meed')
Definition: continuity"

1 earliest and oftenest as adverb, continually:

a. of going on without interruption 

b. of regular repetition: meals 

2 as substantive:

a. of uninterrupted continuity,

b. of regular repetition 

c. (late) ׳הַת alone = daily (morning and evening) burnt-offering 

The tamid is not two separate sacrifices, but one sacrifice of two lambs during a single day. That means the daily[tamid] sacrifice cannot be split into two parts since both must occur during a single daylight time to complete the perpetual, daily, sacrifice; meaning it's one day.

Further, the interpretation of the prophecy is not filtered down to the entire length of time hinging on whether one thinks it's 2300 days or 1150 days based solely on a misinterpretation of what the daily sacrifice consists.

Part of the vision concerns "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."

It seems this is being timed to occur at the midpoint, leaving 1150 days for the vision to be completed. However, for the daily sacrifice to be taken away, the daily sacrifice must be occurring. For the daily sacrifice to be happening the Temple must stand, as according to scripture the proper daily sacrifice can only occur in a dedicated, sanctified Temple. 

If this is the midpoint, there is no time for the building of the Temple, the dedication, sanctification and purification rituals, and the establishment of the daily sacrifice. 

No, this is 2300 24 hour days and they begin when the beast rises.

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

16 minutes ago, Diaste said:

  

Absolutely not. 

So in Gen 1, when evening and morning are called days, is that supposed to be only 3 days?

That would be weird.

But the context of Daniel isn't about one morning sacrifice and one evening sacrifice, it's the DAILY sacrifice, including all the sacrifices for the day, imo.

However, it's said the daily sacrifice consists of two lambs sacrificed every day, one at 9 am, one at 3 pm. This is what Gabriel is saying, this sacrifice, the daily one, consisting of the two lambs, is what is put to an end. 

This sacrifice is referred to as perpetual, not once a day, as in daily. Not twice a day. It is a whole consisting of two parts and is described as continuity sacrifice; called perpetual sacrifice. 

tamid: continuity

Original Word: תָּמִיד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tamid
Phonetic Spelling: (taw-meed')
Definition: continuity"

1 earliest and oftenest as adverb, continually:

a. of going on without interruption 

b. of regular repetition: meals 

2 as substantive:

a. of uninterrupted continuity,

b. of regular repetition 

c. (late) ׳הַת alone = daily (morning and evening) burnt-offering 

The tamid is not two separate sacrifices, but one sacrifice of two lambs during a single day. That means the daily[tamid] sacrifice cannot be split into two parts since both must occur during a single daylight time to complete the perpetual, daily, sacrifice; meaning it's one day.

Further, the interpretation of the prophecy is not filtered down to the entire length of time hinging on whether one thinks it's 2300 days or 1150 days based solely on a misinterpretation of what the daily sacrifice consists.

Part of the vision concerns "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."

It seems this is being timed to occur at the midpoint, leaving 1150 days for the vision to be completed. However, for the daily sacrifice to be taken away, the daily sacrifice must be occurring. For the daily sacrifice to be happening the Temple must stand, as according to scripture the proper daily sacrifice can only occur in a dedicated, sanctified Temple. 

If this is the midpoint, there is no time for the building of the Temple, the dedication, sanctification and purification rituals, and the establishment of the daily sacrifice. 

No, this is 2300 24 hour days and they begin when the beast rises.

 

 

 

Scripture shows that the Jews do not worship God at the time of the end but Insted worship Moloch which means their king.(the beast)

It would be terribly wrong to just assume the Jews make sacrifices to God when they don't even worship him.I would think since scripture says they worship the beast,that they would be making sacrifices to him.

But I could see them outlawing Christ in the land of Israel because some of them have already tried to pass such a law.I think it would be wise to just wait a few more years when to he US gives Israel a host and see what is abolished at that time.

When the king of the north gives Israel his armed forces,it could be something simple being abolished like the conscription.The offering of Israel's children to Moloch(their king).

I'm taking the wait and see path on this one.

 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

Absolutely not. 

So in Gen 1, when evening and morning are called days, is that supposed to be only 3 days?

That point brother is a non-sequitur,  if the translators of Genesis had stated that the earth was created in 12 days when it really stated in 6 Evening and Mornings then you would be on the right trail, you inverted the point. You can't therefore count an Evening and Morning as 2 days can you? Its ONE DAY.

Mind you, just to be clear, the Universe was really created in 6 time periods (YOWMS) not 6 days, the first "day" (time period) lasted for 9.2 billion years, we know this because the Sun and our Earth are only 4.5 billion years old compared unto the Universe being 13.7 billion years old and 13.7 - 9.2 - 4.5. But that is a whole other issue.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

That would be weird.

But the context of Daniel isn't about one morning sacrifice and one evening sacrifice, it's the DAILY sacrifice, including all the sacrifices for the day, imo.

No its actually called only the "DAILY" the word Sacrifice is added by the English translators. (just being precise here)

Daniyel 8:13  Then I heard 8085 z8799 one 259 saint 6918 speaking, 1696 z8764 and another 259 saint 6918 said 559 z8799 unto that certain 6422 [saint] which spake, 1696 z8764 How long x5704 x4970 [shall be] the vision 2377 [concerning] the daily 8548 [sacrifice], and the transgression 6588 of desolation, 8074 z8802 to give 5414 z8800 both the sanctuary 6944 and the host 6635 to be trodden under foot? 4823

The bolded words are not in the Hebrew transcript, the English translators added them in for context, so we need to be precise.  Now think, why would you try to limit what a DAILY NUMBER can be? It could be a once daily, a twice daily, all of our old Newspapers were called "Daily's" back in the early to mid 1900s, they ran some Daily's 2 to 3 times. A daily does not have to mean once, it can be a Daily Worship Service in a Church, that happens at 7:00 AM and that happens at 7:00 PM. BOTH happen DAILY, meaning each day has that service it never ever means once a day per se. Just like "Daily Newspapers" did not mean once a day.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

However, it's said the daily sacrifice consists of two lambs sacrificed every day, one at 9 am, one at 3 pm. This is what Gabriel is saying, this sacrifice, the daily one, consisting of the two lambs, is what is put to an end. 

 

No, the Daily is a TRIBUTE unto God twice daily. 

Dan. 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God;

21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Not at the Daily Morning Oblation but at the Daily Evening Oblation. You simply overemphasize the word daily without understanding that we can have multiple things happening DAILY all on the same day. We can see an office business meeting daily at 8:00 AM and one at 6:00 PM. They can still be called Daily meetings, even though one is a heads up on the things going on that coming day and ones a WRAP UP of the process. They however ate not one business meeting. Anything that happens at a set time daily does not mean it can only happen one time daily.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

This sacrifice is referred to as perpetual, not once a day, as in daily. Not twice a day. It is a whole consisting of two parts and is described as continuity sacrifice; called perpetual sacrifice. 

 

It is a twice daily Oblation unto God, that is why Dan. 9:20-21 calls it "specifically" the Evening Oblation. The Anti-Christ can't take away the "Sacrifice" for 2300 days, he's only the Beast for 1260 days. People who insist this is about Antiochus have gotten there by not understanding (amongst many other things) what the Daily refers unto, its a Twice Daily Tribute unto God, if you rake away 2300 of THE DAILY SACRIFICES, that would only cover 1150 days.

So, if a baseball team  had a Double Header scheduled for 10 straight days and all of them got canceled, that would mean 20 games got canceled, not 10. You are conflating DAILY to only being a once a day type event, its not, it can be two, three, or more, as long as it happens every day. Daily merely describes it as a 7 day a week event, that can be 6 events that happen every day, even though they are the same type event. 

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

Further, the interpretation of the prophecy is not filtered down to the entire length of time hinging on whether one thinks it's 2300 days or 1150 days based solely on a misinterpretation of what the daily sacrifice consists.

Of course it is, the Daily (which happens twice a day) is TAKEN  AWAY, this Jesus Worship is forbidden for 2300 Sacrifices or 1150 days. This is pretty obvious tbh. People get too caught up into "former understandings" and realize they will have to change an entrenched position to allow for the facts to be taken in fully, so they resist the obvious many times. 

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

Part of the vision concerns "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."

 

So, it seems you agree this is END TIMES, so we don't have that hurdle to cross. Yet you don's seem to see that the 1150 days fits the inside of the Beast's 1260 days, whilst the 2300 days does not. Thus we use common sense and Occam's Razor here. The 2300 will not fit, the 1150 will fit. Here a little there a little to get the big picture, the Holy Spirit requires this for a reason, getting a frame out of square a smidgen can cause a disaster on down the road, as we both know, so God gave us a simple way to check this all out, to keep one writer or TRANSLATOR from veering to far off the path, all scriptures have to be used as our square so to speak. 

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

It seems this is being timed to occur at the midpoint, leaving 1150 days for the vision to be completed. However, for the daily sacrifice to be taken away, the daily sacrifice must be occurring. For the daily sacrifice to be happening the Temple must stand, as according to scripture the proper daily sacrifice can only occur in a dedicated, sanctified Temple. 

The Sacrifice is taken away at the 1290, which is 30 days before the center of the 7 year period, or 1290 days away from when Jesus shows up to end ALL THESE WONDERS, via the 2nd Coming. The temple will be built by that time, but as I mentioned (I think I did, maybe not, been a while) in the post you replied unto, the Sacrifice being TAKEN AWAY or forbidden is Jesus Worship, no one seems to grasp this. Israel repents in Zech. 13:8-9 JUST BEFORE the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1. So, they are worshiping Jesus starting with the 1335 (Two-witnesses) and then the A.C. from afar, orders the Jewish High Priest (False Prophet) to STOP Jesus worship, and then the F.P. also places the IMAGE of the Beast (E.U. President) up in the temple of God.

Think this though, how can a DEFILED TEMPLE be desecrated? If Israel are still sacrificing meat (which God sees as a defilement) and thus belittling Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, then how is the temple ever cleansed? Because 1/3 of the Jews repent, cry out unto God, in the temple starting at the 1335, which is 75 days worth of worship before they get banned from the temple at the 1290, which is 30 days before the Beast conquers Israel, at the 1260 event, each number is THAT MANY DAYS, until all of these wonders end via the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

There is no way Jesus (Man in Linen) and Gabriel are speaking about a PROFANE Meat Sacrifice being taken away, they are saying the Jews who repent at the 1335, will CLEANSE the Temple by accepting Jesus as a Nation via FAITH ALONE, not by the works of Meat Sacrifices, which avail nothing. They are speaking about Jesus worship being forbidden by this False Prophet, Jewish High Priest who throws in with the Anti-Christ just like Jason did under Antiochus. Look up Jason, he is the ARCHETYPE False Prophet, and Antiochus was the ARCHETYPE Anti-Christ, so of course they had to both live at the exact same time !!

So, do not even think about Meat Sacrifices brother, God did not overthrow Israel and bring them to nought because they loved the Law of Moses more than the Promised Seed only to revert to Meat Sacrifices sufficing Him in the end times. Think Jesus is that SACRIFICE brother, because that is what is forbidden. Satan loves those Meat Sacrifices, they mock Jesus.

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

If this is the midpoint, there is no time for the building of the Temple, the dedication, sanctification and purification rituals, and the establishment of the daily sacrifice. 

No, this is 2300 24 hour days and they begin when the beast rises.

The Beast only rules for 1260 days. The Temples is cleanses at the 1335, or 1335 days before the 2nd coming. I see things in abstract brother, its my gift from God. 

 

God bless, I understand things taught of old seems to confuse the truth at times. 

[Revelation Man]

On 7/5/2023 at 5:20 PM, douggg said:

No, they do not die at the second woe.    The text does not say they die as a result of the second woe.

The second woe is a third of man-kind being killed by the 200,000,000 man army.

Nothing in Revelation 11 about the two witnesses being involved with the 200,000,000 man army.

Yes it is, they pray down EVERY PLAGUE & WOE, why do you think the world hates them so much? Remember Moses, yes God brought the plagues, Moses foretold those plagues in each instance, to edify God as the God over all.

The Wrath is seen in Chapters 8, 9 and 16. The other chapters happen parallel to those three chapters. You also  do not see the Two-witnesses in Rev. 8 either, but they prayed it down, and pray down every plague. 

They die at the end of the 2nd Woe, you can not admit this and keep the erroneous TIMELINE. But, it doesn't matter, God's timeline is God's timeline. 

On 7/5/2023 at 5:20 PM, douggg said:

The world celebrates over the deaths of the two witnesses, exchanging presents with one another.     Does that sound like a time when a third of mankind is being killed by a 200,000,000 man army ?

 

That is why they Celebrate? Did that never hit you? 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Revelation Man