From Lamb And Lion

[Shilohsfoal]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, that is you not understanding prophecy. See the four horses in Rev. 6? That came from Zechariah, see Revelation 17? That came from Daniel 5. Gog and Magog is a future Prophecy, the Four Horses of Zech. was a future Prophecy that came to pass, then God used that verbiage to give us the four horses of Rev. 6. He did the same thing with the Gog and Magog war, but that happens [FIRST] just before or just after the Rapture, so it (unlike the 4 Horses of Zech.) is still future, but just like the 4 horses of Zech. God REUSED the Gog and Magog battle again also, after the 1000 year reign. This time however, if one takes the time to read, they can see they are two separate events. One of Russia, Iran and Turley (with a few African nations) coming against Israel and God gives Israel the victory as they come against Israel. The later Gog & Magog is God setting this whole earth on fire as New Jerusalem comes down. This earth will eventually be hell, why do you think Satan is cast down? 

 

Wrong, Ezekiel 37 tells us that when God brings Israel back He brings them back as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, as I have shown you before. Case closed.

What have you been drinking?Please put it down and walk away .

There is only one Gog in the bible.Not 2.He is mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and revelation 20.

Gog invades israel after Israel is resurected from.tue dead in Ezekiel 37

Gog invades israel after Israel is resurected from.the dead in revelation20.

 

There are not 2,3,4 or how ever many more Gogs you are seeing.There is only one.

As for Israel ,Israel has not been resurected yet.The whole house of israel has not returned yet.And Gog has more than 1000 years to go before he even thinks about invading the land of Israel and the saints who dwell there without border walls or fences.

As for the beast which dwells in the land of Israel today,it is still building more walls.It can't have enough walls to protect itself.

[other one]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

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Well where did he get it from them? It has never happened. That's not personal, that is just me being a factual steward of the word of God. A rhetorical question, as you know, is not actually an accusation at all, its delivered to make a point. 

rhe·tor·i·cal ques·tion

noun

a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.

Now he is supposed to provide the evidence but he wont, and never does.

 

really,    I took it as an insult and it wasn't even directed at me.   Maybe because of all the insults I read on here every day that quickly lead to uglier comments.

Anyway I'm just going to start questioning things I see as argument starters across the board.

Instead of accusing  him of making stuff up (lying) put it to him as a question.

"Did you just make that up?"    That's like saying I'm kind of surprised you would say that.  

Edited to add::::

Oh, and no,  I didn't make that up.   My company sent every employee through the Al Deming management training and we all got certified.    I was elected as a central team leader and had to attend a couple of professional facilitator seminars over a 5 year period of time.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2023 by other one
add on the last paragraph

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

What have you been drinking?Please put it down and walk away .

 

( TAG other one ) Example of a rhetorical question. I haven't drank any alcohol in nigh 40 years, but I know he's making a point, not really accusing me of drinking. Now, at the same time, there has never been any such war where those nations confederated with each other, I know this, I know he knows this, thus I know he will never present the evidence the rhetorical question was meant to bring forth. He also says the Jews living in Israel are not really Israel, even though God stated that at the very end times, when He brought Israel up out of all the other nations, He would do so as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel (meaning all 12 tribes), so did God lie? Of course not. 

4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

There is only one Gog in the bible.Not 2.He is mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and revelation 20.

 

Is there only one Four Horses? Or two? You not understanding Prophecy limits your ability here it seems. In the book of Revelation we go from the Church Age (Things which are) to the Church as seen in Heaven in Rev. 4:1 and 4:4. (The HEREAFTER) and thus Russia, Turkey and Iran attack Israel, no mention of those are made in  Rev. 20, you just do not understand the prophecy. 

When are you going to provide the event where Psalm 83 occurred. Dr. Andy Woods says Psalm 83 is merely a prayer, why? He doesn't think it can happen before the Gog and Magog war, BUT....he knows full well it has not happened yet, or of course he would point that out, instead he misses the 1948-2010 skirmishes, so he's just making a mistake out of lack of knowledge. But those nations never confederated against Israel at any time show this event, you can't, so I will never see any proof because it has never happened. 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

21 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

( TAG other one ) Example of a rhetorical question. I haven't drank any alcohol in nigh 40 years, but I know he's making a point, not really accusing me of drinking. Now, at the same time, there has never been any such war where those nations confederated with each other, I know this, I know he knows this, thus I know he will never present the evidence the rhetorical question was meant to bring forth. He also says the Jews living in Israel are not really Israel, even though God stated that at the very end times, when He brought Israel up out of all the other nations, He would do so as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel (meaning all 12 tribes), so did God lie? Of course not. 

Is there only one Four Horses? Or two? You not understanding Prophecy limits your ability here it seems. In the book of Revelation we go from the Church Age (Things which are) to the Church as seen in Heaven in Rev. 4:1 and 4:4. (The HEREAFTER) and thus Russia, Turkey and Iran attack Israel, no mention of those are made in  Rev. 20, you just do not understand the prophecy. 

When are you going to provide the event where Psalm 83 occurred. Dr. Andy Woods says Psalm 83 is merely a prayer, why? He doesn't think it can happen before the Gog and Magog war, BUT....he knows full well it has not happened yet, or of course he would point that out, instead he misses the 1948-2010 skirmishes, so he's just making a mistake out of lack of knowledge. But those nations never confederated against Israel at any time show this event, you can't, so I will never see any proof because it has never happened. 

 

Why are you seeing two or more Gogs?Seeing double?

There is only one Gog in the bible.

 

God said he would bring Israel up out of their graves in Ezekiel 37 and he has not done that.

As for who is in the middle east.The beast which calls itself by the name Israel has decieved the entire world into believing he is Israel.God chosen people and the king of Israel .

The true Israel whos king is annointed by God has not arrived in the land of Israel as yet.When Messiah returns ,he shall bring Israel up out of their graves as Ezekiel 37 says and Israel shall dwell safely without walls or fences.Unlike the beast who dwells in the land of Israel today which is constantly building walls and fences for protection because God is not for it.

 

As for psalms 83,they are destroyed at the coming of Christ in the war of Armageddon which takes place 1000 years before Gog comes to the land of Israel.

 

Case closed.

 

Those who worship the beast say who is like the beast,who can make war with it?

 

Edited July 31, 2023 by Shilohsfoal