Where is the faith?

[Stewardofthemystery]

37 minutes ago, Solus Christus said:

Really? We all “sin and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23) 

The reason Jesus died was we cannot stop sinning, David even mentions hidden sins we so we are not aware of (Psalm 19:12-14)

I am thankful my sins are forgiven by Jesus and I do not have to try and be good enough, “I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die,” (Galatians 2:21) and that if I confess my sins Jesus forgives them, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9). 
 

Sure we do not have license to be wicked (Romans 6), but you either believe Jesus is the Savior and He alone cleanses you of sin or you don’t. I am thankful for God’s grace, because I know I can never be good enough. 

 

 

 

For all have sinned, but that does not mean we keep on sinning.  Jesus came to deliver us from the power of sin and death, not to allow us to keep on sinning.

Read Romans 6 and 8 about being “made free from sin”

Romans 6

King James Version

6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 ((God forbid.)) How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in “newness of life.”

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth ((we should not serve sin.))

7 For he that is dead is “freed from sin.”

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14 ((For sin shall not have dominion over you:)) for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? ((God forbid.))

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then “made free from sin,”ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 “But now being made free from sin,” and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

[Solus Christus]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

For all have sinned, but that does not mean we keep on sinning.  Jesus came to deliver us from the power of sin and death, not to allow us to keep on sinning.

Read Romans 6 and 8 about being “made free from sin”

Romans 6

King James Version

6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 ((God forbid.)) How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in “newness of life.”

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth ((we should not serve sin.))

7 For he that is dead is “freed from sin.”

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14 ((For sin shall not have dominion over you:)) for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? ((God forbid.))

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then “made free from sin,”ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 “But now being made free from sin,” and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

That passage is for justifiers of sin who say sin makes God all the more gracious, they want to be wicked and have grace. In contrast we do keep sinning, otherwise there would be no need to confess sins, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9). When you confess you admit its sin, not justify it. 
 

I ma thankful Jesus had forgiven all our sins at the cross, but we sin now, today, and the past pardon of Jesus covers those sins then and now. 

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, Solus Christus said:

In contrast we do keep sinning, otherwise there would be no need to confess sins, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9). When you confess you admit its sin, not justify it. 
 

I ma thankful Jesus had forgiven all our sins at the cross, but we sin now, today, and the past pardon of Jesus covers those sins then and now. 

Sinners shall not inherit the Kingdom of God…

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

King James Version

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:19-21

King James Version

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Ephesians 5:5

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdomof Christ and of God.”

[Solus Christus]

57 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Sinners shall not inherit the Kingdom of God…

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

King James Version

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:19-21

King James Version

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Ephesians 5:5

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdomof Christ and of God.”

That is unrepentant sinners who do not place faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior. 
 

We are saints who still sin, but that sin is now covered by the blood of Jesus. 

[Sower]

On 7/25/2023 at 5:53 PM, Stewardofthemystery said:

Actually many I have debated over the years confess they are still living in sin, some even confessing they willfully sin all the time.

 Yes, I am one that  belongs to that sinners 'club.'
I do not know what an un-willful sin is.
(Nor do I know a sinless human)
I blame every sin, (missed target-standard-bench mark), on me.
Not the world, flesh or devil, not "accidentally"or unawares.
God knows our mind, and all our excuses, so you can't fool him.
God's target, standard,  goes so way beyond the ten commandments.
It's in the mind that I sin 99% of the time.

"So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin"

Good luck on that one.

I have sinned at least a couple of times since reading this thread, judging posters.

I can not go a day, perhaps even a few hours, without consulting God with failures.
I simply agree with him. Not make excuses. Don't stop and morph over it. But confess/agree and move on. This programs my mind (light) to the truth.
I can not relate to or understand anyone that believes s-he doesn't ever miss God's standard in any given day. Unless they're comatose.

“Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’

But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven,
but beat his breast, saying,

‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’         

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other.
For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled,
but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”   Luke 18:10-14

You reckon that proud Pharisee believed he was sinless?.......


 

[Willa]

The problem is that as soon as I see a sin defeated in my life, God reveals other to me!  We don't even see all our areas of imperfection--there are so many; some are uncharitable attitudes, occasionally it is a habit such as an ungodly thing that we say, often it is our thoughts that stray.  Lastly, as soon as we think we have achieved perfection we tend to become self righteous!  

Php 3:12  Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.

Php 3:13  Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,

Php 3:14  I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

[SpiritSong]

15 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

And if one is still “in the flesh” then one is still under that “condemnation” of sin.

This is why we need to be born again of the Spirit….

Romans 8:9

But ye are not “in the flesh,”but “in the Spirit,” if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

Romans 8:1

There is therefore now “no condemnation” to them which are “in Christ”Jesus, who walk not after “the flesh,” but after “the Spirit.”

 

 

Enoch walked 300 yes with God. This tells me that it's not impossible. 

 

[Mike Mclees]

22 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

And if one is still “in the flesh” then one is still under that “condemnation” of sin.

This is why we need to be born again of the Spirit….

Romans 8:9

But ye are not “in the flesh,”but “in the Spirit,” if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

Romans 8:1

There is therefore now “no condemnation” to them which are “in Christ”Jesus, who walk not after “the flesh,” but after “the Spirit.”

 

 

Steward, what are you trying to reflect with these two scripture? I believe that if we are tempted and have a fall that this does not mean that we are not of the spirit. We must take in the whole of scripture. Satan knows our weakness and uses it against us. We overcome satan when we confess our sins to Christ who is just to forgive us.  

Edited July 27, 2023 by Mike Mclees

[Stewardofthemystery]

11 hours ago, Solus Christus said:

We are saints who still sin, but that sin is now covered by the blood of Jesus. 

If saints are still sinners then how could you tell the difference between a sinner and a saint?

Jesus said we would know them by their fruit.

Luke 6:44

For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

9 hours ago, Sower said:

 I do not know what an un-willful sin is.
(Nor do I know a sinless human)
I blame every sin, (missed target-standard-bench mark), on me.
Not the world, flesh or devil, not "accidentally"or unawares.
God knows our mind, and all our excuses, so you can't fool him.
God's target, standard,  goes so way beyond the ten commandments.
It's in the mind that I sin 99% of the time.

"So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin"

Good luck on that one.

I have sinned at least a couple of times since reading this thread, judging posters.

I can not go a day, perhaps even a few hours, without consulting God with failures.
I simply agree with him. Not make excuses. Don't stop and morph over it. But confess/agree and move on. This programs my mind (light) to the truth.
I can not relate to or understand anyone that believes s-he doesn't ever miss God's standard in any given day. Unless they're comatose.

“Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’

But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven,
but beat his breast, saying,

‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’         

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other.
For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled,
but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”   Luke 18:10-14

You reckon that proud Pharisee believed he was sinless?.......


 

There is sin that is done in ignorance, which can be forgiven per the law of God.

Numbers 15:28

And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

Numbers 15:29

Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.”

 

But wilful sin is another matter.

Hebrews 10:26-31

King James Version

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”