Rapture: to be or not to be?

[FreeGrace]

7 hours ago, The Light said:

I'm saying when you quoted the scripture you left out.......... and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time

When He comes, He appears to those who look for Him. He does not appear to everyone. The rapture will be in secret.

No secret rapture.  Every visit to earth has been revealed.  I didn't leave anyting out.  I cited the verse, the whole verse.  For anyone to look up.  I wasn't hiding anything.

The words "unto them that look for Him" is a description of believers.  Unbelievers surely won't be looking for Him.  

It's a real stretch to use Heb 9:28 as a rapture verse.  Considering ALL the resurrection verses, like 1 Thess 4, 1 Cor 15 and 2 Thess 1, there is NO mention of returning to heaven.

And Rev 19 shows clearly that the believers in heaven are preparing for the wedding supper, just before they accompany Christ to earth for the Second Advent.

7 hours ago, The Light said:

Song of Solomon

8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

Uh, this isn't about any trip to heaven, regardless of the many that may describe sex as "heavenly".  But I'll give you "novel" for using SoS for "the rapture".

[FreeGrace]

6 hours ago, The Light said:

The Word says it. Didn't you read that Jesus was on Mount Sion with the 144,000 and they were redeemed from the earth?

I've already told you that Rev 14 is a look ahead to the Second Advent.  Scholars note that Rev isn't sequential.

6 hours ago, The Light said:

No. No. No. It is a look behind, not ahead. You have to understand what you are reading to understand this.

I would say the same thing to you about having to understand.

6 hours ago, The Light said:

When you are reading Revelation 11 we see this verse.

Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

This is a prophesy of what is to come, obviously.  Jesus doesn't rule UNTIL the Second Advent when He comes back, ends the Tribulation and sets up His kingdom.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Certainly scripture does not describe a 'rapture' or any event during which people just disappear. But certainly the mainstream wants everyone to believe that such an event will happen.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 clearly says 'in the air.. in the clouds'

One has to add the idea that we are taken away beyond the sky,
Paul simply does not say that.

"To you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky,
with His holy angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance"

2 Thess 1:7-10 describes the day Paul is talking about,
the ultimate day of the Lord, the day of vengeance.

"To you who fear my name shall the Son of righteousness arise...
and you shall trample down the wicked
they shall be ashes under your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord"
Malachi 4:3-4

"The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance,
they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked"
Psalm 58:10

 

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In a good physical Bible you will see that 'which were'
in Revelation 19:14 is in italics, meaning that the phrase was added in, noting also that 'heaven' means 'the sky',
we get the proper translation;

"And the armies in the sky followed Him on white horses
clothed in fine linen, white and clean"

 

"Come from the four winds, Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live,
and they stood upon their feet,
an exceedingly great army."
Ezekiel 37:9-12 [Acts 23:6-8, 26:5-8]

"And He shall send forth His angels
with the great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together His chosen ones
from the four winds"
Matthew 24:31

"Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's
of His saints to do doom upon all flesh"
Jude 1:14-15

"To you who are troubled rest with us
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky
with His holy angels in flaming fire taking
vengeance on them that know not God"
2 Thess 1:7-10

"The righteous shall rejoice when they see
the vengeance..." Psalm 58:10

"The marriage of the Lamb has come....
the armies in the sky followed Him on white horses"
Revelation 19:7,14

"the appearance of them is as horses" Joel 2:4

"The Lord shall utter His voice before His army"
Joel 2:11

"The rest were slain with the sword of Him that
sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from
His mouth" Revelation 19:21

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Desopixi Seilynam
army of resurrected saints in the sky

[Shilohsfoal]

2 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Certainly scripture does not describe a 'rapture' or any event during which people just disappear. But certainly the mainstream wants everyone to believe that such an event will happen.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 clearly says 'in the air.. in the clouds'

One has to add the idea that we are taken away beyond the sky,
Paul simply does not say that.

"To you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky,
with His holy angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance"

2 Thess 1:7-10 describes the day Paul is talking about,
the ultimate day of the Lord, the day of vengeance.

"To you who fear my name shall the Son of righteousness arise...
and you shall trample down the wicked
they shall be ashes under your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord"
Malachi 4:3-4

"The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance,
they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked"
Psalm 58:10

 

Alot of people disappeared in Hiroshima when the abomination of desolation was placed there.They were taken away by the fire.

Someone would have to be able to walk through fire without being harmed to survive such a fire.Like walking in a furnace.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

While you quote marv I will quote the word of God.

Revelation 14

⁹ And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

¹⁰ The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

¹¹ And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

 

Now ,seeing that you are unfamiliar with the lake of fire and don't know what it consists of,let me quote the word of God so you will know what two elements the lake of fire consists of.

 

Revelation 19:20

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

 

 

 

The smoke of their torment will ascend up for ever and ever.The lake itself is the fire and brimstone those who take the mark of the beast are tormented with.

 

The reason that I quoted Montana Marv was because he drew some excellent conclusions.

The Word of God had already been quoted and it was obvious that you were not getting it.............and you still don't get it.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I've read it correctly.Your the one who is not.

 

³⁸ For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

³⁹ And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

This is about them who were eating and drinking and what they were doing before the flood came and took them all away.

You read it wrong when you say Noe is them.Noe is not them who were taken away by the flood.

 

 

 

In recent flooding ,people in las Vegas were taken away by the flood there.

 

Police search for missing after floodwaters wash multiple people away in Las Vegas canals

https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/missing-people-flood-las-vegas-nevada

 

 

 

The flood comes. Who do you think is yelling "don't leave us here"? The ones in ark or the ones outside the ark.

Sodom is destroyed. Who was taken out of Sodom? The righteous or unrighteous?

[NConly]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

³⁸ For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

V 38 is also telling one what they were not doing; paying attention to God and giving thanks to God

[NConly]

15 minutes ago, The Light said:

The flood comes. Who do you think is yelling "don't leave us here"? The ones in ark or the ones outside the ark.

I have been looking for this "don't leave us here" can not find help

[Desopixi Seilynam]

12 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Alot of people disappeared in Hiroshima when the abomination of desolation was placed there.They were taken away by the fire.

Someone would have to be able to walk through fire without being harmed to survive such a fire.Like walking in a furnace.

So there is more than one abomination of desolation?

"When you see the abomination"  .... in scripture there is only one.

There are remnants of what happened in Sodom and Gamorah,
still remaining in that region, I saw a documentary about it once.
On the ground are pure chunks of sulfur, some kind of very pure sulfur.
And so whatever rained down on them, was blue, very hot pure sulfur based fire,
something from God, out of this world.

Have you seen the nuclear scare scam by Galen Winsor?
It's a good watch, he puts 'radioactive' stuff in his mouth and other such things,
explaining how that much of the 'radioactive' scare that was going on was hogwash.

I think that the idea of nukes will be used to mask and muddy end times events.
When God rains down fire and brimstone on modern Babylon, people will be led to believe it is just a 'nuke' that happened.

 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

I've already told you that Rev 14 is a look ahead to the Second Advent.  Scholars note that Rev isn't sequential.

 

Scholars???????  The book has been sealed until the time of the end. I would not rely on scholars. 

Revelation 14 is not a look ahead. It takes place in the seals. In Revelation 14 see the great tribulation which is the fifth seal and the coming of Jesus which is the 6th seal.

Also, I showed you how the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars as is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Of course you can look right past that and pretend those signs are not there. But why? 

Edited August 27, 2023 by The Light