The 7 year tribulation

[Charlie744]

There are so many coments made about the 7 year tribulation. I would kindly ask if someone could show me where this 7 year tribulation period comes from. Thanks.

[R. Hartono]

The 2 witnesses of Revelation 11 will testify to the world for 1260 days and then will be killed by the beast from bottomless pit.

Then the beast from bottomless pit (azazel) will possess antichrist.

After that nobody else will restrain antichrist to rule the whole world for the next 1260 days as in Revelation 13.

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by R. Hartono

[Shilohsfoal]

28 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

There are so many coments made about the 7 year tribulation. I would kindly ask if someone could show me where this 7 year tribulation period comes from. Thanks.

I've only read where the saints are persecuted for 3.5 years.Not 7.

I can only provide scripture for a 3.5 year tribulation.Sorry I have none for 7.

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Charlie744]

No, that is fine. I believe you might be referring to Revelation?

 I will wait for others that have quoted the 7 year tribulation period to provide the verse or verses for it .. 

thanks 

[Dave Watchman]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

There are so many coments made about the 7 year tribulation. I would kindly ask if someone could show me where this 7 year tribulation period comes from. Thanks.

You're probably talking about Daniel 9. The last seven, the 70th heptad?

Daniel 9:27. That's probably the end time "week" of the second set of 70 weeks in Daniel 9.

I think it's near, or happening now.

7657. שִׁבְעִים (shibim) -- seventy

Who's your smartest guy on the forum, Retro?

Maybe he will come and clear this all up.

 

[Charlie744]

Thank you. However, there is NO 7 year tribulation period!!!!

The last week or the last 7 years in chapter 9 represent the week the Messiah will arrive to fulfill His mission (9:24). But of course , He will be cut off “in the midst of the week.”

The RCC has intentionally corrupted Daniel chapter 9, especially 9:26-27, and removed them as Messianic prophecies. They changed the “he” in 9:27a to mean some fictitious anti-Christ figure (doesn’t exist) instead of treating 9:27a as “ He.”

Then, they through the last week of the 70 weeks prophecy some 2000 years in the future as opposed to recognizing the last week represents the mission of the Messiah. 
 
There is no 7 year tribulation period. It was created in the 16th century by the Jesuits to remove the label of the little horn in Daniel 7 & 8 as referring to the papacy.   In other words, if this mystical anti-Christ figure will arrive 2000 years after the Cross, then the papacy could not possibly be the “little horn.”

[Dave Watchman]

21 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

The last week or the last 7 years in chapter 9 represent the week the Messiah will arrive to fulfill His mission (9:24). But of course , He will be cut off “in the midst of the week.”

That happened already, in the first century. Right?

It can sound tricky the way you have it worded.

This part happened already:

26“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

22 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

There is no 7 year tribulation period.

But there's still a 70th week, a final "seven".

This part is future, or just coming up now:

27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

So IF Jesus confirms a covenant with many for one "week", there must also be a 70th week in our end times.

It can sound tricky the way I have it worded.

[Charlie744]

18 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

That happened already, in the first century. Right?

Yes, the first 69 weeks of the prophecy was to restore all the physical items - Temple, land, sanctuary, walls, streets, etc. This also included the sabbatical cycles. the 7 feast days, etc.

The final week was purposefully set aside for the coming Messiah to fulfill His mission during the last week. He was the last piece of furniture to be restored  - the Ark of the Covenant in the form of the Messiah. He was baptized in the Jordan on the very first day of the last 7 years (last week), and this would be the start of His ministry.

18 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

It can sound tricky the way you have it worded.

This part happened already:

26“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

Verse 26 is a "destructive" verse as opposed to 24 and 25 which are restorative verses. This speaks to the Messiah being crucified in the middle of the last week of 3.5 years of the last 7 years.

18 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

But there's still a 70th week, a final "seven".

This part is future, or just coming up now:

No, despite the Messiah being crucified in the middle of the week, He fulfilled ALL of His God given missions (9:24) to complete. He had nothing remaining - which is why on the cross He said, "it is finished."

18 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

Jesus would sacrifice Himself DURING the last week of the prophecy. It is not to be interpreted as some covenant for ONLY a week. This was His mission during the last week and only He could fulfill those 6 requirements.

18 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

 

But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

The cross did away with the need to sacriice animals. Jesus was the final and perfect sacrifice that was accepted by God. He brought an end to the need for a Temple, sanctuary, sacrifices, etc.

18 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

The Jews rejection of the Messiah, their Messiah, and the cross would cause them to be made desolate from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Jesus) for the next 2000 years.

18 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

So IF Jesus confirms a covenant with many for one "week", there must also be a 70th week in our end times.

No, He confirmed the covenant during the last week.. this is why the 70 weeks were carved up into 3 sections. The last week belonged to the Messiah and His mission to fulfill.

18 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

It can sound tricky the way I have it worded.

 

[Dave Watchman]

20 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

50 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

Jesus would sacrifice Himself DURING the last week of the prophecy. It is not to be interpreted as some covenant for ONLY a week. This was His mission during the last week and only He could fulfill those 6 requirements.

But if this "week" was an end time week, whatever this confirmation of a covenant with many is, it would have to be occurring for the whole entire heptad. Say the "week" began in 2018, the "last day" of the heptad would be somewhere around the completion of 2024. It would have to be for the whole seven years.

25 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

55 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

 

But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

The cross did away with the need to sacriice animals. Jesus was the final and perfect sacrifice that was accepted by God. He brought an end to the need for a Temple, sanctuary, sacrifices, etc.

But if this were happening in the "week" we are in right now, it might be something like the scene in Heaven's Temple in Revelation 8 where the censer is cast down. The censer being used at the alter of incense. Whatever it means, it's just not something we can see on the screen.

29 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

59 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

The Jews rejection of the Messiah, their Messiah, and the cross would cause them to be made desolate from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Jesus) for the next 2000 years.

Because this seems obviously end times.

On the wing of abominations.

Abortions, pornography, same sex marriage increased lawlessness. 

Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolator.

The one who makes desolate?

Paul's man of sin?

Yes it can sound tricky the way I have it worded.

[Diaste]

9 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

There are so many coments made about the 7 year tribulation. I would kindly ask if someone could show me where this 7 year tribulation period comes from. Thanks.

It doesn't exist. It's a pretrib thing. It has to be for them so they can justify the rapture doctrine. 

The idea may have been around earlier than pretrib, but I can't confirm.