1948 is not a Sign of the Coming of Jesus.

[Diaste]

7 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

I'm not 100% sure what the meaning of this passage is. At face value it seems the indicate that once the whole world is heard about Jesus, he will return. However I think it would be difficult to make the case that that hasn't already happened. There is not a country on Earth that is not had a missionary sent to it nor is there a country on Earth where there is not a church even if it's only underground. The whole world has indeed already heard about Jesus. So don't you think this would mean that his return is imminent? There are Christians in every country in the world, churches in every country in the world, and the Bible has been translated into virtually every language on Earth. Does this suggest that his return is imminent?

https://www.wycliffe.net/resources/statistics/

About 97% of known languages have at least some scripture. 

It may be about the hearing only, but the proof of the Gospel comes in word and deed. 

If there is no written word for that language, perhaps the Gospel of the Kingdom isn't fully disseminated. 

In any case, Wycliffe reports the matter is close to settled.

[douggg]

Shilohsfoal, the person will be

the Antichrist (King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah) first half of the 7 years.                    confirms the Mt Sinai covenant speech to begin the 7 years.   A short-lived false messianic age will begin.

will be killed when he claims to have achieved God hood, and brought back to life to become...

the beast king (dictator of the EU) second half of the 7 years (42 months).         

statue image made of him, placed on the temple mount - the abomination of desolation.   The great tribulation begins.

Edited November 5, 2023 by douggg

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, douggg said:

Are you referring to Zechariah 14 or Revelation 11:2 ?

Revelation 11:2 is just past the half way point in the 7 years.   The beast-king (no longer will the person be the Antichrist, King of Israel, at that time) will begin ruling for 42 months and Jerusalem will be under occupation and subjugation, by the king of the west, the beast-king dictator of the EU.

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In Zechariah 14, it will all the nations of the world unified under the leadership of the beast-king for a brief period of 45 days, to assemble their armies to make war on Jesus.

 

The person who becomes the Antichrist, King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah by the Jews coming in his own name - takes place AFTER the Gog/Magogg event.    He becomes the Antichrist after Gog/Magog.

Ezekiel 38-39 is God's defense of Israel, not specifically the Israeli government.

The Antichrist person, when he is revealed as the man of sin, and not the messiah after all as the Jews will be thinking at the time, God will have strangers come against him and kill him for his audacious act of sitting in the temple claiming to have achieved God-hood, Ezkeiel 28:1-10.

It ends the person's time as the Antichrist, King of Israel.     When the person comes back to life, he becomes the beast-king, dictator of the EU, Roman Empire of the end times.

So stop referring to the person as the Antichrist for the second half of the seven years, but as the beast-king.

No, Jesus will not be handed over anything.   He is Lord over everything and doesn't need hand outs.

Jesus returns to rescue the Jews held hostages by the armies in Zechariah 14, and to end the great tribulation, and cast the beast-king and false-prophet into the lake of fire, and destroy those armies gathered to make war on him, and Satan bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit for a thousand years

You did not represent what I believe and don't believe.    I have said nothing about a "antichrist Israeli government".   That is your commentary.

False

Benjamin netanyahu is antichrist as well as  almost Israels entire government and most of everyone in Israel is antichrist.

There are millions of antichrists in Israel and you believe God is going to save them which is the opposite of what Jesus taught.

 

 

Mark 16:16,-17

He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

 

God doesn't save them that reject Christ.
 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

Shilohsfoal, the person will be

the Antichrist (King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah) first half of the 7 years.                    confirms the Mt Sinai covenant speech to begin the 7 years.   A short-lived false messianic age will begin.

will be killed when he claims to have achieved God hood, and brought back to life to become...

the beast king (dictator of the EU) second half of the 7 years (42 months).         

statue image made of him, placed on the temple mount - the abomination of desolation.   The great tribulation begins.

Benjamin netanyahu is antichrist. The Jews would never vote for someone who believed in Christ to be their leader.

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 11/3/2023 at 11:15 AM, douggg said:

Satan has not yet been placed in the bottomless pit prison to be released from. 

In the Revelation 20:7-10 event he is released from the bottomless pit prison.

Revelation gives revelation to what was said in books like Ezekiel and Daniel.

In Ezekiel 39:6 "I will send a fire on Magog"
Ezekiel 39:17 == Revelation 19:17
Even the numbers generally match, that is not a coincidence.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 together are describing the whole
Gog and Magog event.

And then Ezekiel 40 to the end describes the 1000 years in more detail.
All the way in Ezekiel 20:42 God promises to bring
them back into Israel, [Ezekiel 20:47-48 == Rev 19:20-21] 
but we don't see the how until chapter 37.
In 37 it generally speaks
of the resurrections, 1000 years then Gog and Magog.
And then afterwards we get details of the 1000 years.

Ezekiel is full of a lot of promises.
Some that still have yet to come to pass.

 

Revelation 19 is describing the same resurrections of Ezekiel 37
in detail, the same resurrections mentioned in 20:4-5.
The marriage supper of the Lamb is the first resurrection.
"and the armies in the sky followed him on white horses...."
Is how Revelation 19:14 should read. ["which were is an added in phrase,
it will be in italics in a good physical Bible, and 'heaven' refers to the sky"]
And that is the same army mentioned in Ezekiel 37:9-10
"an exceedingly great army"
And in Jude 1:14-15
"Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of his saints
to do doom upon all flesh"
And Joel 2:11
"For the Lord shall utter His voice before His army"
 

Revelation 19 is describing the first resurrection
and the events that happen during it,
the prophesied army led by Christ captures and throws
the beast and false prophet into a lake of fire,
and Christ spews fire from His mouth on the armies
gathered to try to fight them.
It is part of the kindling spoken of in Ezekiel 20:47-48.
The final fire from God is Revelation 20:9
the fire on Gog and Magog, and we know from 2 Peter 3:8-12
that fire also consumes the whole earth as we know it,
the sky, the sea and the land. That is how the first earth
passes away. By the time we get to Revelation we already have
that information, from Peter. Revelation gives us the parts
we don't already have from previous prophecy.

All prophecy builds upon itself,
explaining itself.

"Come from the four winds oh breath of life
and breath upon these slain that they may live"
"And they stood upon their feet,
an exceedingly great army"
Ezekiel 37:9-10

"And He shall send forth His angels
with the great sound of a trumpet
and they shall gather together His
chosen ones, from the four winds...."
Matthew 24:31

"In a moment,
in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet
fro the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed"
1 Corinthians 15:52

"For the Lord Himself shall descend from the sky
with a shout, with the voice of the archangel
and with the trumpet of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first"

[Job 19:25-26, Isaiah 26:19, Psalm 16:9-10 specifically hoping for resurrection
alongside the Messiah, these men are therefore in Christ, we share in their faith
the faith of Abraham, who believed that Isaac would be raised from the dead
Hebrews 11:19, these men and people like them will be gloriously raised first]

"then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air"
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

"And to you who are troubled rest with us
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky
with His mighty angels,
in flaming fire taking vengeance [Psalm 58:10]
on them that know not God
and that obey not the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ....
When He shall come to be glorified in His saints" [Malachi 4:2-3]
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
 

"Let us be glad and rejoice,
and give honor to Him;
for the marriage of the Lamb has come
and His bride has made herself ready....
And I saw the sky opened,
and behold a white horse,
and He that sat on Him was called
Faithful and True,
and in righteousness He does judge and make war.

And the armies in the sky followed
Him upon white horses" [Joel 2:4, Ezekiel 37:9-10, Jude 1:14-15]
Revelation 19:7-14

Certainly the souls that were killed for the witness of Jesus, Rev 20:4,
by the beast will get to be in the sky with Christ
as part of that army to see the beast and false prophet
captured. Such was promised in Psalm 58:10 and Malachi 4:2-3.

Revelation 19:7-21 is speaking of the first resurrection
in detail and Revelation 20:4-5 mentions it in brief.

After the 1000 years there is another resurrection
of all dead, from hades, death and the sea.

Ezekiel 37:1-15 also speaks of the first resurrection.
Then the 1000 years. Then Gog and Magog in chapters 38 and 39.
Then the book ends with details of the 1000 years.
In Revelation we get full revelation on the matter,
and more details concerning the end and the resurrections.

 

 

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Ezekiel 37:1-15 also speaks of the first resurrection.
Then the 1000 years. Then Gog and Magog in chapters 38 and 39.
Then the book ends with details of the 1000 years.
In Revelation we get full revelation on the matter,
and more details concerning the end and the resurrections.

Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:21-29.   Then the thousand years, during which Satan will be in the prison of the bottomless pit.    Then release at the end of the thousand years for his final deceiving of the nations, including the Gog/Magog nations,  to make an assault on the camp of the saints.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 11/11/2023 at 4:15 AM, douggg said:

Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:21-29.   Then the thousand years, during which Satan will be in the prison of the bottomless pit.    Then release at the end of the thousand years for his final deceiving of the nations, including the Gog/Magog nations,  to make an assault on the camp of the saints.

Yes, and Jesus's return definitely includes resurrections.
Jesus returns to resurrect His chosen ones and reign for 1000 years and beyond.

There are only two accounts in the whole Bible where
"from the four winds" is used, and each time the account is referring to actual resurrections.
 

"Come, from the four winds, Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live"
Ezekiel 37:9

"They shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds....."
"And He shall send forth His angels with the great sound
of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones
from the four winds"
Matthew 24:30-31

 

Ezekiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections

"I will open up your graves...
and bring you into your own land" 12

Ezekiel 37:15-28 = Reign of the Messiah

"...will gather them on every side,
and bring them into their own land" 21
 

12 and 21 speak of the same thing,
how He gathers them is by resurrection
and glorious raising (1 Thess 4:16-17)

The Messiah resurrects His chosen ones and places
them in their land, and they begin to rule.
Paul gives the information that alive Christians will be raised with them too.
 

Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog

Edited November 14, 2023 by Desopixi Seilynam

[douggg]

23 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Yes, and Jesus's return definitely includes resurrections.
Jesus returns to resurrect His chosen ones and reign for 1000 years and beyond.

There are only two accounts in the whole Bible where
"from the four winds" is used, and each time the account is referring to actual resurrections.
 

"Come, from the four winds, Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live"
Ezekiel 37:9

"They shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds....."
"And He shall send forth His angels with the great sound
of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones
from the four winds"
Matthew 24:30-31

 

Ezekiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections

"I will open up your graves...
and bring you into your own land" 12

Ezekiel 37:15-28 = Reign of the Messiah

"...will gather them on every side,
and bring them into their own land" 21
 

12 and 21 speak of the same thing,
how He gathers them is by resurrection
and glorious raising (1 Thess 4:16-17)

The Messiah resurrects His chosen ones and places
them in their land, and they begin to rule.
Paul gives the information that alive Christians will be raised with them too.
 

Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog

The Jews going into the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 will think the prince who shall come is their messiah.    And he will be anointed the King of Israel.

In the middle part of the 7 years, he commits the transgression of desolation act, claiming to have achieved God-hood.    It will end his time as the King of Israel.

And shortly thereafter in Revelation 12:10, the Jews en-masse will turn to Jesus, becoming Christians.    The ones in Jerusalem at the end of the 7 years will be rescued by Jesus in Zechariah 14, escaping through the valley created when Jesus stands on the Mt. of Olives.

They are not raptured.   But will enter the millennium in their natural bodies.

The rapture/resurrection will have occurred already, prior to the transgression of desolation act.     We don't know how far prior to, but prior to.   Maybe by years, maybe by months, maybe by weeks.    We just don't know.      But we should consider it imminent and could occur at anytime before then.

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, douggg said:

The Jews going into the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 will think the prince who shall come is their messiah.    And he will be anointed the King of Israel.

In the middle part of the 7 years, he commits the transgression of desolation act, claiming to have achieved God-hood.    It will end his time as the King of Israel.

And shortly thereafter in Revelation 12:10, the Jews en-masse will turn to Jesus, becoming Christians.    The ones in Jerusalem at the end of the 7 years will be rescued by Jesus in Zechariah 14, escaping through the valley created when Jesus stands on the Mt. of Olives.

They are not raptured.   But will enter the millennium in their natural bodies.

The rapture/resurrection will have occurred already, prior to the transgression of desolation act.     We don't know how far prior to, but prior to.   Maybe by years, maybe by months, maybe by weeks.    We just don't know.      But we should consider it imminent and could occur at anytime before then.

 

 

 

It's not one man who places the abomination of desolation .Daniel wrote that the armed forces place it.

It's the armed forces who handle those devices.It is in fact Israel policy that the abomination of desolation be used in the face of defeat.

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[chesed]

Jeremiah 29:14 (KJV) And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.

Edited November 15, 2023 by chesed