The deepening of one’s discerning….

[TheBlade]

They way I understand it is.. The spiritual man is able to judge all things because his source of wisdom is completely accurate. Back up to verse 10 is the basis for this. "Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God". In short the natural man can't make similar judgement on the Christian because he has no source of knowledge. I lol don't want to keep going.. well you have to touch verse 16 .. its part of this. Bless you

[Not me]

1 hour ago, TheBlade said:

They way I understand it is.. The spiritual man is able to judge all things because his source of wisdom is completely accurate. Back up to verse 10 is the basis for this. "Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God". In short the natural man can't make similar judgement on the Christian because he has no source of knowledge. I lol don't want to keep going.. well you have to touch verse 16 .. its part of this. Bless you

Thank you, and may God’s blessings be to you also….

I think your understanding is true and correct, may we all drink deeply from this source of completely accurate wisdom….

Oh to drink deeper still from this source, many blessings, a fellow follower, Not me 

[Michael37]

On 11/27/2023 at 3:10 AM, choir loft said:

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY is a scandal of the post-modern church......yet several here defend it.    This is absurdity in the extreme.

How does anyone learn anything?   Education is acquired by WORK, by STUDY, by EXPERIENCE and by certification of one's peers.   It is NEVER acquired by consulting chicken bones, astral projections, the whispers of demons or false revelations by those who gaze out church windows instead of listening to the preacher.

If you need medical attention do you seek an educated experienced doctor or some witch doctor who learned their trade by being taught of demons?

If you want legal help do you seek an educated bar-certified attorney or do you wait upon the advice of some auto mechanic or bartender who just flunked out of high school?

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY results in the over use of religious buzz words and scriptural slogans employed by those who rarely know the meaning of the words they speak or write.  The reason for this is pure unadulterated LAZINESS.  Instead of composing appropriate sentences and explanations that anyone can understand these religious buzz words, such as "God is able" are thrown in the face of people who have no idea what they mean.  Indeed they come to accept that Christians are a closet group who speak only in mysterious terms that disallow anyone else from understanding.

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY is the cause of false doctrine, bogus expectations of God and the certification of church leaders who care nothing for God, the Bible or the salvation of the lost.  Chief among these are the dogmatic themes of rapture and tribulation.  The former is misunderstood and misapplied while the latter has already happened in real time in history. 

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY is prideful and denies all references to historic FACT, to scholarly INTERPRETATION and to the Bible itself as for example the application of Mosaic LAW.  (It is now acceptable in the eyes of the church to embrace the Gay Authority, lies, theft, murder and all manner of corruption from top to bottom of society.)  

Denial of Mosaic LAW now focuses upon bacon and cheeseburgers rather than immorality and the meaning of repentance - which is denied most emphatically.  The post-modern church is above all morality and defines its own regardless of God's Word.  The post-modern church displaced the throne of heaven and now declares itself to be God! As a result of - Biblical Illiteracy. 

In summation BIBLICAL ILLITERACY has led to the loss of respect of God (nobody gives a damn about Him), about the Bible (several major denominations now deny it as the singular authoritative revelation of Divine Authority) or about the lost (massive crusades, tent revivals and church involvement in spiritual development are things of the past).  Church types sit in their religious closets and admit to no one of that which God insists upon.   To justify their erroneous self-righteous bogus doctrines they assert the right of BIBLICAL ILLITERACY as legitimate, which it most emphatically is NOT.

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY is shameful and a reproach to the church, yet many here support it as something untouchable.

Even as fools walk along the road, they lack sense and show everyone how stupid they are. (Eccl. 10:3)

"You have to work hard to be that stupid." (John Wayne)

that's me, hollering from the choir loft... 

PS   Every single Christian should participate in church sponsored Bible study, taught by the pastor and no one else (as St. Paul did).  Instead Christians today get their 'knowledge' from popular imagination, self-centered nonsense and secular society.

1Co 13:2  And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

1Co 13:2  And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
 

That is one of the few verses of scripture there that is most beautiful I think.

No one needs a thorn in the flesh for what matters the most

[Mr. M]

On 11/26/2023 at 7:10 AM, choir loft said:

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY is a scandal of the post-modern church......yet several here defend it.    This is absurdity in the extreme.

How does anyone learn anything?   Education is acquired by WORK, by STUDY, by EXPERIENCE and by certification of one's peers.   It is NEVER acquired by consulting chicken bones, astral projections, the whispers of demons or false revelations by those who gaze out church windows instead of listening to the preacher.

If you need medical attention do you seek an educated experienced doctor or some witch doctor who learned their trade by being taught of demons?

If you want legal help do you seek an educated bar-certified attorney or do you wait upon the advice of some auto mechanic or bartender who just flunked out of high school?

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY results in the over use of religious buzz words and scriptural slogans employed by those who rarely know the meaning of the words they speak or write.  The reason for this is pure unadulterated LAZINESS.  Instead of composing appropriate sentences and explanations that anyone can understand these religious buzz words, such as "God is able" are thrown in the face of people who have no idea what they mean.  Indeed they come to accept that Christians are a closet group who speak only in mysterious terms that disallow anyone else from understanding.

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY is the cause of false doctrine, bogus expectations of God and the certification of church leaders who care nothing for God, the Bible or the salvation of the lost.  Chief among these are the dogmatic themes of rapture and tribulation.  The former is misunderstood and misapplied while the latter has already happened in real time in history. 

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY is prideful and denies all references to historic FACT, to scholarly INTERPRETATION and to the Bible itself as for example the application of Mosaic LAW.  (It is now acceptable in the eyes of the church to embrace the Gay Authority, lies, theft, murder and all manner of corruption from top to bottom of society.)  

Denial of Mosaic LAW now focuses upon bacon and cheeseburgers rather than immorality and the meaning of repentance - which is denied most emphatically.  The post-modern church is above all morality and defines its own regardless of God's Word.  The post-modern church displaced the throne of heaven and now declares itself to be God! As a result of - Biblical Illiteracy. 

In summation BIBLICAL ILLITERACY has led to the loss of respect of God (nobody gives a damn about Him), about the Bible (several major denominations now deny it as the singular authoritative revelation of Divine Authority) or about the lost (massive crusades, tent revivals and church involvement in spiritual development are things of the past).  Church types sit in their religious closets and admit to no one of that which God insists upon.   To justify their erroneous self-righteous bogus doctrines they assert the right of BIBLICAL ILLITERACY as legitimate, which it most emphatically is NOT.

BIBLICAL ILLITERACY is shameful and a reproach to the church, yet many here support it as something untouchable.

Even as fools walk along the road, they lack sense and show everyone how stupid they are. (Eccl. 10:3)

"You have to work hard to be that stupid." (John Wayne)

that's me, hollering from the choir loft... 

PS   Every single Christian should participate in church sponsored Bible study, taught by the pastor and no one else (as St. Paul did).  Instead Christians today get their 'knowledge' from popular imagination, self-centered nonsense and secular society.

You do not know what manner of spirit you are of...

Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 

[choir loft]

On 11/27/2023 at 5:45 PM, Mr. M said:

You do not know what manner of spirit you are of...

Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 

Not only are you terribly incorrect as to my awareness (how can you judge such a thing of another?), but you are completely ignorant of the spiritual and physical condition of the church today.

Every single statistic points to withering.  Nearly every revelation of the social and political position of the church points to apostasy heresy and outright debauchery.

Don't throw rocks at glass houses.  You reveal your own ignorance and illiteracy when you do so.  Apparently you have no idea what's going on - or perhaps you have a personal vested (financial?) interest in your local church that you want to remain secret.

I suggest you educate yourself further.  You have no idea what's going on.  

Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “’Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; (Rev 18:4)

She named the boy Ichabod, saying, “The Glory has departed from Israel"—because of the capture of the ark of God and the deaths of her father-in-law and her husband. (1 Sam 4:21)

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

Edited November 29, 2023 by choir loft

[Retrobyter]

On 11/21/2023 at 5:41 AM, Not me said:

1 Corinthians 2:15 (NASB20)
But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one.

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why is it that scripture says that no one can discern the one that is spiritual….? 

It is because one can only see into another’s relationship with Christ as deep as one’s own relationship is, for the deep can only be discerned by itself…. For if one’s relationship with Christ is ‘x’ amount of deep, to that deepness can one see into another, but the one that is spiritual can see the depths of the other’s relationship…. 

This is the truth being brought forth in the above scripture, it is not to denigrate one, but just to put forth truth the way truth is…. Case in point; as scripture says, when a woman is single her loyalties are to God, when she gets married her loyalties are now divided, it is not sin its just a matter of truth….

The same way with the truth brought forth in the above scripture… For one can only see to the depths of one’s own relationship, for one can not stand on another’s shoulders to see what another sees… All seeing must be born and grown into one’s life as a natural growth of one’s relationship with Christ….For the deep has to, and needs to be brought to life in each and every heart the same way, that way being, the more of Him and the less of oneself…. There is no substitute or half measures, for life must replace death, because one’s discerning is limited to the depth of one’s relationship with Christ….

Be blessed in the deepening of one’s discerning…..

A fellow follower, Not me 

Shalom, Not me.

I'd be happy if a person could just discern what "spiritual" means!

[Not me]

20 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Not me.

I'd be happy if a person could just discern what "spiritual" means!

Greetings; the word spiritual means that one has learned it doesn’t matter what one thinks, only what righteousness is….

Many blessings as we grow into the truth and reality of our spiritual life which is the expression-ing of righteousness 

Unto Him be all things, Not me 

[choir loft]

14 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Not me.

I'd be happy if a person could just discern what "spiritual" means!

Apparently the term "spiritual" applies to someone with an extremely swelled head regarding their personal religious point of view.

One does not have to have an education to be 'spiritual' in this way.  Indeed one doesn't even have to have completed grade 1 of formal education to be considered 'spiritual'.  All one has to do is confess that they learn the things of God via OSMOSIS - a learning process which is denied by Grade 3 in most schools.

Nevertheless, evangelicals claim to have this gnostic sort of illumination operating upon them.   They also claim that a person who is not on the same wifi spiritual frequency as they are is also said to NOT be a Christian and NOT familiar with either the Bible, the gospel of Jesus Christ or the local Pizza Hut menu.

These are perfect examples of WHY the rest of the world considers post-modern Christianity  a JOKE.  

The almost total lack of knowledge and education by Christians is a scandal upon the church.  What happened to 2 Tim 2:15?  Nobody pays attention to it.....perhaps because they don't know how to READ or THINK. ("It hurts to think," their children cry to their teachers.  I know because I've been told by the teachers.)

Ours is a comic book, video generation that cannot and will not participate in anything remotely approaching a logical documented discussion about religious or political matters.   The almost total lack of understanding and willingness to understand is mind-boggling.

"You have to work hard to be that stupid." (John Wayne)

Consequently the church as it has been known is rapidly shrinking into a non-entity with those who still attend involving themselves in a sort of ignorant redneck social club masquerading as a church.  

Legitimate statistical polling organizations predict the church will shrink to 10% of 1948 levels by the year 2050.   We've already shrunk to between 35% & 40% right now. Personally I think it will reach the 10% level long before mid-century.   We're circling the drain very quickly.

Do you know about the prophecies of apostasy in the End Times?  Well we're there right now, buddy.  We're in it up to our necks and denying it won't reverse the trend.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

 

[Retrobyter]

41 minutes ago, Not me said:

Greetings; the word spiritual means that one has learned it doesn’t matter what one thinks, only what righteousness is….

Many blessings as we grow into the truth and reality of our spiritual life which is the expression-ing of righteousness 

Unto Him be all things, Not me 

Shalom, Not me.

Really? How does that fit with the Greek word "pneumatikos" which was translated as "spiritual?"