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[Mr. M]

1 minute ago, WilliamL said:

Uh, you mean the Berlin where "Satan's throne" was moved to?

That, and Lou Reed's tragic rock opera.

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Can you provide anything recent about this project?

As soaring melodies from a concert at the amphitheatre built by Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, on the ruins of a third-century BC foundation, drifted over from the newly revived Babylon festival, the WMF programme director Jeff Allen toldThe Art Newspaper: “The project will help usher in new tourism initiatives designed to enhance the visitor experience and help the local economy. It will also train and employ local Iraqis in heritage conservation techniques.”

 

 

The new initiative is part of the WMF’s 15-year commitment to conservation efforts as part of its Future of Babylon project, initiated in 2008. Collaborating with the Iraqi State Board of Antiquities and Heritage (SBAH) until 2015, the WMF performed extensive surveys and documentation and developed conservation plans. The organisation also assisted with a Unesco World Heritage nomination for Babylon that culminated in its inscription in July 2019 and helped with the conservation and stabilisation of the Lion of Babylon. The projects at the Ishtar Gate and Ninmakh Temple, launched in 2016 and 2019 respectively, will be the beneficiaries of the US embassy funding.

[Marilyn C]

Safeguarding Babylon for More Than a Decade

In response to the start of Iraq War, World Monuments Fund (WMF) launched a joint initiative in 2004 to create a long-term framework for stewarding cultural sites within Iraq. This initiative led to the creation of the Future of Babylon project in 2008, designed to serve as a template for documenting heritage, assessing conditions, and developing conservation plans at sites across the country.

Between 2009 and 2015, WMF collaborated with Iraq’s State Board of Antiquities and Heritage (SBAH) to document Babylon, complete condition surveys, and develop conservation plans. Within that time, WMF and the SBAH completed a site management plan that addressed issues such as defining site boundaries and areas where future excavations might take place; identifying economic opportunities for local communities; and designing ways to accommodate tourists effectively at the site.

WMF also assisted SBAH with the completion of a World Heritage nomination for Babylon, holding workshops in 2017 to advance the research and writing necessary to achieve this goal. As a result of WMF and SBAH’s partnership, Babylon was officially inscribed on the UNESCO World Heritage List on July 5, 2019.

For more than a decade, WMF has continued to implement the Babylon site management plan, undertaking conservation work at specific sites within the archaeological park such as assisting with the conservation and stabilization of the Lion of Babylon. Projects at Ishtar Gate and Ninmakh Temple, launched in 2016 and 2019 respectively, are still ongoing.

Building Conservation Capacity in Iraq

From its very beginnings, the Future of Babylon project considered not only immediate conservation needs but also the future of heritage preservation in Iraq. In anticipation of the conservation capacity gap that often follows conflict, WMF prioritized training and development, working closely with the SBAH and community members to integrate their needs into its design.

Workshops for SBAH members both on- and off-site through WMF’s Iraq Cultural Heritage Conservation Initiative helped develop local capacity toward the future preservation of Babylon and sites across Iraq, working with local stakeholders to support their continued stewardship of these treasured places. As part of its work at Ishtar Gate and Ninmakh Temple, WMF continues to train locally employed technicians and conservators and to conduct outreach to craftspeople in nearby communities to facilitate their involvement in the preservation process.

(World Monuments Fund - The Future of Babylon)

[Dennis1209]

15 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Safeguarding Babylon for More Than a Decade

In response to the start of Iraq War, World Monuments Fund (WMF) launched a joint initiative in 2004 to create a long-term framework for stewarding cultural sites within Iraq. This initiative led to the creation of the Future of Babylon project in 2008, designed to serve as a template for documenting heritage, assessing conditions, and developing conservation plans at sites across the country.

Between 2009 and 2015, WMF collaborated with Iraq’s State Board of Antiquities and Heritage (SBAH) to document Babylon, complete condition surveys, and develop conservation plans. Within that time, WMF and the SBAH completed a site management plan that addressed issues such as defining site boundaries and areas where future excavations might take place; identifying economic opportunities for local communities; and designing ways to accommodate tourists effectively at the site.

WMF also assisted SBAH with the completion of a World Heritage nomination for Babylon, holding workshops in 2017 to advance the research and writing necessary to achieve this goal. As a result of WMF and SBAH’s partnership, Babylon was officially inscribed on the UNESCO World Heritage List on July 5, 2019.

For more than a decade, WMF has continued to implement the Babylon site management plan, undertaking conservation work at specific sites within the archaeological park such as assisting with the conservation and stabilization of the Lion of Babylon. Projects at Ishtar Gate and Ninmakh Temple, launched in 2016 and 2019 respectively, are still ongoing.

Building Conservation Capacity in Iraq

From its very beginnings, the Future of Babylon project considered not only immediate conservation needs but also the future of heritage preservation in Iraq. In anticipation of the conservation capacity gap that often follows conflict, WMF prioritized training and development, working closely with the SBAH and community members to integrate their needs into its design.

Workshops for SBAH members both on- and off-site through WMF’s Iraq Cultural Heritage Conservation Initiative helped develop local capacity toward the future preservation of Babylon and sites across Iraq, working with local stakeholders to support their continued stewardship of these treasured places. As part of its work at Ishtar Gate and Ninmakh Temple, WMF continues to train locally employed technicians and conservators and to conduct outreach to craftspeople in nearby communities to facilitate their involvement in the preservation process.

 

I have always thought the rebuilding of Babylon was literal, and it still may be. With the passage of time and the progress of construction, I am becoming a little skeptical and am now on the fence.

There are excellent commentaries I will omit, such as that Babylon is America in general and New York City in particular (a global system). New York City meets all the criteria listed for Babylon, and it is hard to dismiss.

However, studying Zechariah 5:6-11, it appears Babylon will be a headquarters, spiritual instead of commercial. It all started there with Nimrod, and it appears it will also end there. 

Building a moderate city and all the supporting infrastructure requires about 25-50 years of heavy, constant construction. It could be the Tribulation is not as close as I suspect.

Because the United Nations has no room for expansion and congestion in New York City, there has been talk about relocating their headquarters. I suspected they would relocate to Iraq for several logical end-time reasons.

As fast as everything is unfolding, perhaps the sediment in the glass half-darkly will settle a bit more.

[WilliamL]

16 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Safeguarding Babylon for More Than a Decade

In response to the start of Iraq War, World Monuments Fund (WMF) launched a joint initiative in 2004 to create a long-term framework for stewarding cultural sites within Iraq. This initiative led to the creation of the Future of Babylon project in 2008, designed to serve as a template for documenting heritage, assessing conditions, and developing conservation plans at sites across the country.

Between 2009 and 2015, WMF collaborated with Iraq’s State Board of Antiquities and Heritage (SBAH) to document Babylon, complete condition surveys, and develop conservation plans. Within that time, WMF and the SBAH completed a site management plan that addressed issues such as defining site boundaries and areas where future excavations might take place; identifying economic opportunities for local communities; and designing ways to accommodate tourists effectively at the site.

WMF also assisted SBAH with the completion of a World Heritage nomination for Babylon, holding workshops in 2017 to advance the research and writing necessary to achieve this goal. As a result of WMF and SBAH’s partnership, Babylon was officially inscribed on the UNESCO World Heritage List on July 5, 2019.

For more than a decade, WMF has continued to implement the Babylon site management plan, undertaking conservation work at specific sites within the archaeological park such as assisting with the conservation and stabilization of the Lion of Babylon. Projects at Ishtar Gate and Ninmakh Temple, launched in 2016 and 2019 respectively, are still ongoing.

Building Conservation Capacity in Iraq

From its very beginnings, the Future of Babylon project considered not only immediate conservation needs but also the future of heritage preservation in Iraq. In anticipation of the conservation capacity gap that often follows conflict, WMF prioritized training and development, working closely with the SBAH and community members to integrate their needs into its design.

Workshops for SBAH members both on- and off-site through WMF’s Iraq Cultural Heritage Conservation Initiative helped develop local capacity toward the future preservation of Babylon and sites across Iraq, working with local stakeholders to support their continued stewardship of these treasured places. As part of its work at Ishtar Gate and Ninmakh Temple, WMF continues to train locally employed technicians and conservators and to conduct outreach to craftspeople in nearby communities to facilitate their involvement in the preservation process.

 

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[Marilyn C]

On 12/21/2023 at 11:48 PM, Dennis1209 said:

I have always thought the rebuilding of Babylon was literal, and it still may be. With the passage of time and the progress of construction, I am becoming a little skeptical and am now on the fence.

There are excellent commentaries I will omit, such as that Babylon is America in general and New York City in particular (a global system). New York City meets all the criteria listed for Babylon, and it is hard to dismiss.

However, studying Zechariah 5:6-11, it appears Babylon will be a headquarters, spiritual instead of commercial. It all started there with Nimrod, and it appears it will also end there. 

Building a moderate city and all the supporting infrastructure requires about 25-50 years of heavy, constant construction. It could be the Tribulation is not as close as I suspect.

Because the United Nations has no room for expansion and congestion in New York City, there has been talk about relocating their headquarters. I suspected they would relocate to Iraq for several logical end-time reasons.

As fast as everything is unfolding, perhaps the sediment in the glass half-darkly will settle a bit more.

Hi Dennis,

Zech. 5: 6 - 11 is a Jewish idiom and portrays the economic (basket) and religious (woman - wickedness) aspect of Babylon, (Shinar).

Also, in the Middle East they use many groups, (Indian. etc) to build their buildings and they are erected very quick. Babylon will be the center of the World`s Government and not a large city like New York or London etc. It is not mainly for residents with suburbs but for people of the government. 

Tourism of course will be very popular and that involves high rise hotels, plus restaurants and some shops. (Rev. 18: 11 -13)

[Dennis1209]

15 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Dennis,

Zech. 5: 6 - 11 is a Jewish idiom and portrays the economic (basket) and religious (woman - wickedness) aspect of Babylon, (Shinar).

Also, in the Middle East they use many groups, (Indian. etc) to build their buildings and they are erected very quick. Babylon will be the center of the World`s Government and not a large city like New York or London etc. It is not mainly for residents with suburbs but for people of the government. 

Tourism of course will be very popular and that involves high rise hotels, plus restaurants and some shops. (Rev. 18: 11 -13)

That is another obstacle to a literal Babylon, Iraq description, security, and stability. Tourists and entertainers would not go there under threat of kidnapping, death, and terrorism by ISIS factions unless it were secure. Something drastic would have to occur to thwart the Muslim and terrorist threat.

Babylon has always been the center of opposition to God. A base and a house or temple will be built there as an idol on a pedestal and be worshiped by those who rejected God, a religious system.

It leads me to thoughts of Chrislam and a robust United Nations presence there. It is one of the few things I do not see any serious headway toward. But that could change on a dime, a 2024 dime possibly.

I have my suspicions; who do you think the daughter of Babylon might be?

Jeremiah 51:33 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.

[Marilyn C]

9 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

That is another obstacle to a literal Babylon, Iraq description, security, and stability. Tourists and entertainers would not go there under threat of kidnapping, death, and terrorism by ISIS factions unless it were secure. Something drastic would have to occur to thwart the Muslim and terrorist threat.

Babylon has always been the center of opposition to God. A base and a house or temple will be built there as an idol on a pedestal and be worshiped by those who rejected God, a religious system.

It leads me to thoughts of Chrislam and a robust United Nations presence there. It is one of the few things I do not see any serious headway toward. But that could change on a dime, a 2024 dime possibly.

I have my suspicions; who do you think the daughter of Babylon might be?

Jeremiah 51:33 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.

Very good point there Dennis, and I believe God has it in hand.

Let`s just look at who is going to attack Israel from the north very soon - the Russian Federation and Iran & a few others. The main point is - Russia and Iran, (great buddies now). Iran especially is breathing `fire and brimstone,` at Israel lately, but God is holding them off till His timing. (Ez. 38: 4)

So, when God turns Russia away from the Ukraine, (Ez. 38: 4) and they together with Iran & others come down to the mountains of Israel (Golan Heights) God will deal with them there.

Think about it - no more Russian army or Iran`s either. That will make a huge vacuum of power in the Middle East. The other Islamic nations are not in that war and do not become aggressive. There is Peace & Safety at last in the Middle East. The Peace Maker has confirmed the covenant with Israel and the world is amazed.

Thus, as peace reigns tourists do go to Babylon which will become a major attraction in the world (oldest city etc).

[Marilyn C]

10 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

 

I have my suspicions; who do you think the daughter of Babylon might be?

Jeremiah 51:33 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.

I read `Prepare against her the nations, with the kings of the MEDES, its governors and all its rulers. ` (Jer. 51: 28)

`And Darius the MEDE received the kingdom,...` (Babylon). (Dan. 5: 31)