Suicidal cowards?

[1to3]

2 hours ago, other one said:

Actually, the Hebrew version of that says we can not murder. There is motive difference between those two words. Not all killings are murder.

 

That is just a loophole that many use to justify  ending a  human life.

1 Chronicles 28:3KJV

David said:

but God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood.

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Edited June 22, 2024 by 1to3

[Reynolds357]

On 1/23/2024 at 1:49 PM, CaptWalker said:

Was just wondering about this mainly due to what I have always heard about how anyone who kills themself is really a coward for taking the easy way out. But it seems to me that it would really take at least some level of courage to actually go through with it or on the flip side it could be someone who is so mentally unstable that they really don’t know what they are doing.

Anyway I was just curious because I have actually had suicidal thoughts before but was definitely afraid of the consequences and where I might end up or WILL end up as many Christians believe.

Suicide is usually the result of mental illness. A sick mind can kill you just like sickness in your body can kill you. Dying of mental illness is no different than dying of Pneumonia or cancer. 

[warrior12]

Some have mention mental illness. So what actually is mental illness, it it he inability to process thoughts that comes into our mind that plays with our physical body to survive the condition in which we live.   Who really knows what those things are , and there are men that have spent their entire lives trying to unravel what goes on in our mental state.  

Carl Jung, well known and brilliant psychiatrist, wrote some powerful stuff that tries to decipher the human mind and it's condition.  The thing is, the mind is the part of man that is sacred. To the carnal world, and though the people who studies it, can by numbers can sometime come up with diagnosis that the ratios of people studied has in common.  The mind though is much more complex than any human to really understand as I think IMO, the Lord has made it unique to his own design for communication with his creation. Hope I am making sense.

That said, in my life's journey and I can only speak for myself as to my testimony or experience, the things that each individual processes is of a nature that how he sees the world.   His experience with the tangible and the unseen world would allow him to see what goes on in both.  As I have said before, and I gave a testimony that unravels a part of my journey of life where I have battled with unseen forces, things or if you prefer devils that come to manipulate win over its function to suit the desires of their wants, habitation and others.

It is complex, but when you hear the phrase from christians that says "the battle is for your mind " it is true, as satan and his cohorts seeks to occupy and control the phyche of a man's thinking and processing mechanism.  How and why those forces are allowed to do this, well many have answers that points to scripture, the sin nature and even trials and test that are allowed to test a man faith, i.e to the born again believer.  The carnal man is left to find ways as to the our carnal world structure of science and the other spiritual  outlets that exist in religion ect.

When as in my case, you recoginze and solidifies the fact that there are two worlds we live in and they are real, and you resist the assaults of the devil to win over you mind, you stand with every vigor of strength left and rely on the scripture and promises of God, that whatever happens, you will not end you own existence here, but wherever the chips fall in terms of living condition and the rest, you will let that take care of itself as the situation goes on.   

Then stand on scripture verses , like the thief comes to kill and destroy, and be determine you are not going to let him have that victory as the Lord is in control of your life.  Don't get me wrong, the trauma are terrifying and exhausting to the point of giving up.  In my case, I always picture the little boy with his sling and stones against the giant, who stood up and said his famous words, you come against me with sword and shield, but I come against you in the name of the Lord.  

Spiritual warfare, saints is very real as I have been pointing out since I have been on this forum, as I have the scars and many many years of brutal battles that goes on, and still goes on, as the enemy does not give up easily.  The strongman does not want to let go of his spoils and would war to get them back even when he lost them.

So then what do we do when the enemy plant the thoughts into the man, put on the full armor of God. I don't leave my home without sincerly repeating that admonition that Paul said we would face and be prepared to face.  Ephesians 6.

Onward christian soldier, yes, we are soldiers on the march towards the celestian city.

Thanks to the people who have posted here of their stuggles, as it certainly demonstrate, we deal with vicious beings who at first hides it shemes and plots and real intent is for you to spend eternity with them .  When they are exposed, then the real battles would ensue, and you would have an ordeal.   

Listen carefully. Sometime I think, even with all that I have experienced, that these things, that first come to entice, seduce and placate your soul to drink from their cup and be satisfied is like a God. Why, because it can give you happiness, pleasure, and a life that is satisfying, only not be toatlly true to the living God, but partial.  

But the Lord of the bible demands total submission of your soul to him and him alone.  Once you have this understanding firmly patted down, then leave the rest to him Jesus Christ who assures you of your eternity with him as you serve and follow him.  Yes, there would be times when you stumble, but don't stay down, get up and continue in the straight and narrow pathway. 

[The_Patriot21]

14 hours ago, Tristen said:

Sorry - I was trying to be funny - and obviously failing miserably.

Generally ;)

[other one]

7 hours ago, 1to3 said:

That is just a loophole that many use to justify  ending a  human life.

1 Chronicles 28:3KJV

David said:

but God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood.

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Does not change the fact that the commandment says murder.  Does not change God's stand with David. Nor the fact he demanded the death of whole tribes of people.

[CaptWalker]

7 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Generally ;)

Well you will hear some pretty strange things on this forum and I just thought that was one of those. 😮  Because the death certificate is going to say suicide as opposed to succumbed to a mental illness or something along those lines, which of course goes without saying.

And I would even say that God may consider it murder, but that really depends on how far gone the person's mental state is and if it's to the point where they can really no longer discern right from wrong.

Edited June 23, 2024 by CaptWalker

[RdJ]

13 hours ago, warrior12 said:

How and why those forces are allowed to do this, well many have answers that points to scripture, the sin nature and even trials and test that are allowed to test a man faith, i.e to the born again believer.  The carnal man is left to find ways as to the our carnal world structure of science and the other spiritual  outlets that exist in religion etc.

My granddad, his dad remarried to a woman who was in christian science. His dad was christian. His christian mother died. He went to rosecrucianism for a while. They speak curses over family. I had 2 miscarriages, blood loss with the 2nd child and then again problems with the third. I had a dream in which I kept searching for the cause and found it. Looked on internet at a rosecrucian site. There was some initiation thing on it from the whomb becomes a tomb. You have to renounce all that and break family ties and curses. When you sin yourself you give a demon legal access. And there are not many ministries who want to help you because they'll get attacks from satan. There was a guy once on a Dutch reformed forum who asked for help. It was horrible. He was constantly bothered by demons. My ex could have helped him maybe but he had no church anymore and he went back to fishing plus the guy lived at the other side of the country, so I asked a preacher who had preached in our church as a guest preacher years ago. What does he care. He didn't even respond. He did not care. With a lot of effort I could find one woman via Facebook who was willing to help him.

 

We paid thousands to go to Canada to get help for me. But that was from the Toronto blessing and that was mixture said Derek Prince. They invited a psychiater to preach and they sold his books in church in which he glorified medical drugs and they kept pushing. I never wanted that stuff. Because of them pushing that through my throat I eventually gave in months later and a side effect was suicide attempts. I left a really nasty review on that psychiater's internet page which he removed.

[The_Patriot21]

5 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Well you will hear some pretty strange things on this forum and I just thought that was one of those. 😮  Because the death certificate is going to say suicide as opposed to succumbed to a mental illness or something along those lines, which of course goes without saying.

And I would even say that God may consider it murder, but that really depends on how far gone the person's mental state is and if it's to the point where they can really no longer discern right from wrong.

Interesting view, I wouldn't consider the death sentence murder or suicide. It is in fact something that ancient Israel used for certain crimes as prescribed by God.

But, what do I know.

[CaptWalker]

Well if you are implying that the death penalty was originally for Israel alone then I would agree. But since we as believers/Gentiles have now inherited that promise of the same Covenant, then isn't it also safe to say that the penalty for murder is still the same for us NOW...If in fact God still sees murder in the same way?? After all, Christ fulfilled the Law but did not abolish it, and even if there may not be anywhere in God's Word where suicide is condemned, there is also no scripture s that pardons murderers from being put to death. 

But really this whole argument is moot and void, since we can't presume to KNOW exactly how God will judge such people who kill themselves, and in fact many of them could in fact be carrying out the penalty for this act at the very same time they do it? Because even Judas at least realized what he had done and tried to end his life in an honorable way... And other than war Vets suffering from extreme PTSD, I'm not sure if there are many more justifiable reasons to end ones life... just saying.

Edited June 26, 2024 by CaptWalker

[CaptWalker]

Also i just thought i would mention that according to our National statistics there are over 8000 Veterans who commit suicide every year, and over 5000 of them are over 50 years old, meaning it had been a lingering issue that they finally just couldn't deal with anymore, which makes it that much more tragic, and you would think the V.A. would have been able to do something for them as far as counseling,medication/treatment,etc., but apparently not?!