Not all will come to the Throne

[TheBlade]

Hey VA. Not really following you when it comes to "Not all will come to the Throne". If I take it like I think you mean then a better word would be "most" will not. Christ sit a really high bar "just as I was victorious and set down with my Father on his throne.". So I wonder if we truly understand what He mean when saying "overcome". I think we love to believe we are overcomers but look at the 12. Walked with Christ .. GOD.. for 3 years. To hear everything He said, so many things not written and seeing everything He did yet when push came to shove, when they took Him they all left Him. 

Who today can say they saw, heard and even walked hand in hand with Christ? Haha sorry got carried away. But I 100% agree lonely walk. Yet if we could only see in the Spirit to see what is always around us...oh love to 

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Hey VA. Not really following you when it comes to "Not all will come to the Throne". If I take it like I think you mean then a better word would be "most" will not. Christ sit a really high bar "just as I was victorious and set down with my Father on his throne.". So I wonder if we truly understand what He mean when saying "overcome". I think we love to believe we are overcomers but look at the 12. Walked with Christ .. GOD.. for 3 years. To hear everything He said, so many things not written and seeing everything He did yet when push came to shove, when they took Him they all left Him. 

Who today can say they saw, heard and even walked hand in hand with Christ? Haha sorry got carried away. But I 100% agree lonely walk. Yet if we could only see in the Spirit to see what is always around us...oh love to 

I don't know what percentage of Christians will be caught up to the throne and the percentage that will be taken "to meet the Lord in the air."  I don't believe it is automatic that Christians are overcomers . . . 

"But watch yourselves, or your hearts will be weighed down by dissipation, drunkenness, and the worries of life—and that day will spring upon you suddenly like a snare. . .Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”  Luke 21:34 & 36

[Vine Abider]

@TheBlade As an addendum to the above message, a little realization I have about being an overcomer is simply this (BTW - the things of Christ are always simple/childlike): I believe an overcomer is simply one who dies to self* and listens to and follows the speaking of the inner Anointing. 

*our own preferences & reasonings & our tendency to control things

[D. Adrien]

... everything He did yet when push came to shove, when they took Him they all left Him. 

 

hello TheBlade, remember too that the apostles hadn't yet received the Holy Spirit.

[AnOrangeCat]

On 1/24/2024 at 2:36 PM, Vine Abider said:

Lonely goes along with not being a friend of the world  I think.  Don't you feel a certain loneliness or disconnect around believers, in that I you fit in too well with them? 

I get this though in my case it's mostly my general eccentricity and introverted nature. The original post resonates a lot, though. Being in a leadership position really does expose you to a lot of potential fallout with people, even when you're leading other Christians.

[Ray12614]

On 1/24/2024 at 3:41 PM, D. Adrien said:

I fit fine in small groups of 3 or 4, anything larger and I get anxious. I haven't attended a Church since the late 80s. I encountered a rough patch of me sinning and falling away for perhaps 10 years. Jesus sought me out and led back into the fold. 

Very glad that you came back to Jesus my brother!  I need to ask you why you might feel anxious about gathering together in church though . . . if we are justified by Jesus and want to be part of Him, then we should not shun the assembly of believers (church attendance).

I also realize that there can be multiple reasons why people cannot attend, but feeling anxious could just be the enemy not wanting you to be built up and edified or helping your brothers and sisters in Christ. A local church gathering is where scripture says the Eph 4 gifts can be found, and the corporate manifestations of God's Holy Spirit should occur (in whatever form He chooses to use).

IF there is an local church that lifts up Jesus, flows in the Holy Spirit, and proclaims the truth of God's Word, I highly recommend that you attend it in addition to your small group setting. 

Just saying what I have personal experience with. 

Grace and Peace to you and yours . . . Ray . . . 

[D. Adrien]

5 minutes ago, Ray12614 said:

Very glad that you came back to Jesus my brother!  I need to ask you why you might feel anxious about gathering together in church though . . . if we are justified by Jesus and want to be part of Him, then we should not shun the assembly of believers (church attendance).

I also realize that there can be multiple reasons why people cannot attend, but feeling anxious could just be the enemy not wanting you to be built up and edified or helping your brothers and sisters in Christ. A local church gathering is where scripture says the Eph 4 gifts can be found, and the corporate manifestations of God's Holy Spirit should occur (in whatever form He chooses to use).

IF there is an local church that lifts up Jesus, flows in the Holy Spirit, and proclaims the truth of God's Word, I highly recommend that you attend it in addition to your small group setting. 

Just saying what I have personal experience with. 

Grace and Peace to you and yours . . . Ray . . . 

Thank you Ray12614 for your concern. I keep the Saturday Sabbath and have a hard time finding a church that does too. The SDA keep the Sabbath but I'm in disagreement concerning Ellen G. White. I've prayed about this and haven't received an answer.

[Ray12614]

28 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

Thank you Ray12614 for your concern. I keep the Saturday Sabbath and have a hard time finding a church that does too. The SDA keep the Sabbath but I'm in disagreement concerning Ellen G. White. I've prayed about this and haven't received an answer.

I have found over the years that when I don't receive answers to questions I have, that sometimes I am building in my personal wants and beliefs about what I am asking for. For example, growing up Lutheran, my church believed in trans substantiation whereby the communion bread actually becomes the body of Christ, and the juice becomes the actual blood of Jesus. This is because they misunderstood the symbolic teaching of Jesus at the last supper, and then they made a doctrine out of it. I think this goes back into church history a long way back. Never the less, it is wrong and until I read and understood the scripture teaching myself I swallowed it as truth, when in fact it was not true. It did not really hurt anything concerning salvation, but, was an mis-application of scripture based on the mis-understanding of Jesus' words, and IF I used that teaching as an basis for attending various churches, I would still be Lutheran today.

If you can hear it . . . may I suggest that you re-visit the NT scriptures regarding your belief that Saturday is the only day for the church to gather together for corporate assembly? It would open up your choices as far as finding the church family that God has called you to gather with . . . just saying . . . 

Ray . . . 

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[D. Adrien]

26 minutes ago, Ray12614 said:

If you can hear it . . . may I suggest that you re-visit the NT scriptures regarding your belief that Saturday is the only day for the church to gather together for corporate assembly? It would open up your choices as far as finding the church family that God has called you to gather with . . . just saying . . . 

Well I strongly believe That Paul was talking about the annual High Holy days when he mentions the Sabbath, because two places in Rev., 12:17 and 14:12 clearly mention Commandment keepers. Number 4 Commandment being to remember the Sabbath day. Also in Genesis at the end of creation week God rested thereby Creating the day of rest and declared it Holy. He never rescinded the Holiness aspect of the weekly Sabbath, and He himself observed the weekly Sabbath. If it's good enough for Jesus. it's good enough for me.

To me James 4:17 applies here.

Matthew 5:19 to contemplate.

Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Sabbath also performs as an inoculation against secularism for me on a weekly basis.

I am very much at peace with my relationship with the Head of the Church.

Afterall, they were written in stone.

[Sower]

18 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I don't know what percentage of Christians will be caught up to the throne and the percentage that will be taken "to meet the Lord in the air."  I don't believe it is automatic that Christians are overcomers . . . 

"For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith"