Will you vote Trump?

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, Jayne said:

To all:

Conservative and liberal mean different things to different generations, nations, and religions.

Not every Republican is a Christian nor does being a Republican make you right, honest, and loving like Jesus loved.  Not every Democrat is going to hell.  Not every Democrat is wrong on things like taking care of those in need and treating people different than you with respect and not hatred.

Hypocrisy swells on both sides.  So does mockery and hate.  It's here on Worthy.  It's on Facebook.  It's in Sunday School.  It's on the View.  It's on CNN.

Yes, Jesus was QUITE radical.  He turned Judaism on its head. But Jesus did not teach things nor support things that are unGodly.

YES, if Jesus were here today, he would eat and meet with transgender people, gay people, and more.

BUT he wouldn't leave them like they ARE.  His love would change them.

Shalom, @Jayne.

You're right, but Paul also said,

2 Corinthians 10:12 (KJV)

12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

We need only compare ourselves against the MESSIAH YEESHUWA`! (THE CHRIST JESUS!), GOD'S Anointed One!

3 hours ago, Jayne said:

The Republicans that I know - for the most part - despise the transgender and the homosexuals.  AND the drag queens and the drug addicts and the all the "sinners".  They just like to talk about how wrong they are and how they are going to hell.

Well, if they feel that way, they must remember "Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged." (Isaiah 51:1)

In other words, remember where you came from! You were in sin once, too! Paul said to the Ephesian believers,

Ephesians 2:1-13 (KJV)

1 And you [hath he quickened], who WERE dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein IN TIME PAST ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation (lifestyle) IN TIMES PAST in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 BUT GOD, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we WERE dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] IN TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ (outside of the Messiah), being aliens from the commonwealth (citizenship) of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God (outside of God) in the world: 13 But NOW in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

 

3 hours ago, Jayne said:

The Democrats that know embrace them, love them, validate the lifestyles, and they love them with a love that will NEVER change them or bring them to Christ.  I have to ask if that is truly love.  I don't believe it is.

This is why I could never be a Democrat and why I changed my party 14 months ago from Republican to Independent.

I am not conservative.  I am not liberal.  I am moderate.

I fit no where.

Yes, we live in a topsy-turvy world, "calling good evil, and evil good." It's just the Curse in full blossom. I've got to hand it to Pastor Cliffe Knechtle, Nick Freitas, Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, new-believer Tucker Carlson, for engaging with these lunatics with the voice of reason, and attempting to lead them to Christ and away from their sins. Even the Jew Ben Shapiro, is very quick and so stable in his beliefs, that he fully confounds the lunacy. Elon Musk also sounds like he's very close to becoming a believer. He's also very intelligent and cannot be intimidated.

So, the voice of reason is still alive and well in the United States, however inundated with the craziness of the far left that has invaded the Democratic Party over the last few decades.

I always try to SEPARATE the sins and the lunacy FROM the person who has embraced the sin. "Hate the sin, but love the sinner" should be our motto, for that is what God Himself does. However, when the Messiah returns and sets up God's Kingdom upon the earth, if they still REFUSE to abandon their sins, then they shall be judged IN their sins, WITH their sins! That's what WE are attempting to prevent!

[Debp]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Elon Musk also sounds like he's very close to becoming a believer. He's also very intelligent and cannot be intimidated.

I think so, too, about becoming a believer.  I've seen some videos of Musk.

Musk lost his son to the transgender agenda.   He said doctors tricked him into signing papers.   His son is now identifying as female and is estranged from his father.   Musk looks very sad about it.

I also always believed the saying....hate the sin but love the sinner.

[Jayne]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

 I've got to hand it to Pastor Cliffe Knechtle, Nick Freitas, Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, new-believer Tucker Carlson, for engaging with these lunatics with the voice of reason, and attempting to lead them to Christ and away from their sins. Even the Jew Ben Shapiro, is very quick and so stable in his beliefs, that he fully confounds the lunacy.

Brother, this is where you lost me.

Candace Owens?  Charlie Kirk?!?!?  Tucker Carlson?  Ben Shapiro?  Why don't you add Matt Walsh to the list?

I can't handle these people.  They are NOT evangelists nor are they attempting to lead people to Christ.  They make their living by cruelly mocking people and using their sharp, sharp tongues to produce videos that other ultra right-wingers can laugh along with as they tear apart people who are different than they.

It's for entertainment purposes only.  Don't you see that?  They make scads of money while everyone who follows them just laughs and laughs at the "sinners".

They hate the sin alright....but they also hate the sinner.  And make money off of it.

Yes, being trans-gender, homosexual, and marxist is not of the Lord.

But I don't see in the Bible where God told us to make videos comically and cruelly ripping these people to shreds and then sell the videos to make money and ignore the lostness of these people.

The Bible teaches that leading people to Christ and guiding them to understand that their lifestyle is not of God is achieved by an entirely different method.

 

[Retrobyter]

21 hours ago, Jayne said:

Brother, this is where you lost me.

Candace Owens?  Charlie Kirk?!?!?  Tucker Carlson?  Ben Shapiro?  Why don't you add Matt Walsh to the list?

Shabbat shalom, @Jayne.

To which Matt Walsh are you referring? The comedian or the political activist?

The reason why I like Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro is because of their quick wits and the way they can stay on topic, even when an opponent tries to throw them off with a non sequitur.

Say what you will about them, but they are NOT easily snowed by the nonsense! The same is true for Tucker. He's been a journalist, and because he also is not easily snowed by the rhetoric of the left, he's a TREAT to hear! He calls it like he sees it.

In the case of Charlie Kirk, he is honestly trying to get college students to THINK about the false directions that the left would take them. To REASON why it is not American to think that way, and what our nation is supposed to be. He calls it right when he corrects a student in saying that we are "a democracy." We were NEVER intended to be a democracy! That is tantamount to being an anarchist! The biblical statement is "every man did that which was right in his own eyes." No, we are a constitutional republic!

21 hours ago, Jayne said:

I can't handle these people.  They are NOT evangelists nor are they attempting to lead people to Christ.  They make their living by cruelly mocking people and using their sharp, sharp tongues to produce videos that other ultra right-wingers can laugh along with as they tear apart people who are different than they.

It's for entertainment purposes only.  Don't you see that?  They make scads of money while everyone who follows them just laughs and laughs at the "sinners".

Some may, but not all. Furthermore, Pastor Cliffe Knechtle IS trying to evangelize the student bodies of the schools he frequents! He's doing more than most churches are doing! Don't criticize the men (and women) who are indeed trying to evangelize when others won't even step up!

21 hours ago, Jayne said:

They hate the sin alright....but they also hate the sinner.  And make money off of it.

Again, some may, but not all! LOOK AT THE STUDENTS' FACES as they talk! Some are just hateful, but the HONEST listeners will attempt to think it through! Some DO come out of these encounters with their LIVES in Christ!

21 hours ago, Jayne said:

Yes, being trans-gender, homosexual, and marxist is not of the Lord.

But I don't see in the Bible where God told us to make videos comically and cruelly ripping these people to shreds and then sell the videos to make money and ignore the lostness of these people.

It's not the PEOPLE that they mock; it's the WRONG-HEADED THINKING they mock! However, if the people cannot be divorced from that wrong-headed thinking, THEN they include THEMSELVES in the mocking!

21 hours ago, Jayne said:

The Bible teaches that leading people to Christ and guiding them to understand that their lifestyle is not of God is achieved by an entirely different method.

There you are wrong. Yeeshuwa` came to the level of the people with whom He dealt. He "ate with sinners and publicans!" And, why? Because HE knew that that would be the level they needed Him to come to communicate God's Message! He came not to the healthy but to the SICK! He "came not to call the 'righteous ones' (falsely so-called) but SINNERS to repentance!"

And, YOU NEED to understand that there shall come a day when Yeeshuwa`, the Messiah of God to be King, will be mocking KINGS AND RULERS!

Psalm 2:1-12 (KJV)

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed (Hebrew: מְשִׁיחוֹ = "mshiychow" = "His Maashiyach," "His Messiah," "His Christ"), [saying],

3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us!"

4 He that sitteth in the heavens (God the Father) SHALL LAUGH: the Lord (Yeeshuwa` the Messiah) SHALL HAVE THEM IN DERISION! (HE WILL MAKE FUN OF THEM! HE WILL MOCK THEM!) 5 Then shall he (God) speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion! 7 I will declare the decree:

"'the LORD hath said unto me,

"'"Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel! "'

10 "Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth! 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling! 12 KISS the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little! Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him!"

One day soon, Yeeshuwa` shall return as promised and bring His right to rule His Kingdom with Him! Then, He will begin His reign and annex those countries He subdues. (See Luke 1:30-33; 1 Corinthians 15:20-28; Matthew 25:31-46; Luke 19:11-15ff.) He will be doing this throughout the 1,000 years (Greek: chilia etee = "a-thousand years"; see Revelation 20:1-7). The above psalm is about a United Nations meeting to which God and His Messiah are not invited and show up anyway!

[Neighbor]

On 9/4/2024 at 6:27 AM, Debp said:

I don't think Jesus would agree with the transgender agenda, etc, positions that the liberals hold.

I too am pretty sure of that, but Jesus could fix that problem too, not by being conservative but in being quite radical.

There needs be more than condemnation there needs to be alternative hope. It is there in Jesus.

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

I too am pretty sure of that, but Jesus could fix that problem too, not by being conservative but in being quite radical.

There needs be more than condemnation there needs to be alternative hope. It is there in Jesus.

Shabbat shalom, @Neighbor.

We had a saying in one of my high schools: "Ya gotta wanna!"

Yeeshuwa` shall be the Judge of all human beings, condemning every sin and the people that remain attached to those sins; and it is THROUGH the Sacrifice of Yeeshuwa` on the cross by which God can justify a human being.

BUT, they must be WILLING to come to Him! They must be willing to come to God as the publican (a tax collector for the Romans) did in Yeeshuwa`s parable in Luke 18:

Luke 18:9-14 (KJV)

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 

10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself,

"'God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.'

13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying,

"'God be merciful to me a sinner.'

14 "I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."

What I'm seeing is that the "the transgender agenda, etc, positions" which the liberals hold, they are NOT WILLING to relinquish! And, so, "they will die in their sins!"

[Jayne]

8 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, @Jayne.

To which Matt Walsh are you referring? The comedian or the political activist?

The reason why I like Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro is because of their quick wits and the way they can stay on topic, even when an opponent tries to throw them off with a non sequitur.

Say what you will about them, but they are NOT easily snowed by the nonsense! The same is true for Tucker. He's been a journalist, and because he also is not easily snowed by the rhetoric of the left, he's a TREAT to hear! He calls it like he sees it.

In the case of Charlie Kirk, he is honestly trying to get college students to THINK about the false directions that the left would take them. To REASON why it is not American to think that way, and what our nation is supposed to be. He calls it right when he corrects a student in saying that we are "a democracy." We were NEVER intended to be a democracy! That is tantamount to being an anarchist! The biblical statement is "every man did that which was right in his own eyes." No, we are a constitutional republic!

Some may, but not all. Furthermore, Pastor Cliffe Knechtle IS trying to evangelize the student bodies of the schools he frequents! He's doing more than most churches are doing! Don't criticize the men (and women) who are indeed trying to evangelize when others won't even step up!

Again, some may, but not all! LOOK AT THE STUDENTS' FACES as they talk! Some are just hateful, but the HONEST listeners will attempt to think it through! Some DO come out of these encounters with their LIVES in Christ!

It's not the PEOPLE that they mock; it's the WRONG-HEADED THINKING they mock! However, if the people cannot be divorced from that wrong-headed thinking, THEN they include THEMSELVES in the mocking!

There you are wrong. Yeeshuwa` came to the level of the people with whom He dealt. He "ate with sinners and publicans!" And, why? Because HE knew that that would be the level they needed Him to come to communicate God's Message! He came not to the healthy but to the SICK! He "came not to call the 'righteous ones' (falsely so-called) but SINNERS to repentance!"

And, YOU NEED to understand that there shall come a day when Yeeshuwa`, the Messiah of God to be King, will be mocking KINGS AND RULERS!

Psalm 2:1-12 (KJV)

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed (Hebrew: מְשִׁיחוֹ = "mshiychow" = "His Maashiyach," "His Messiah," "His Christ"), [saying],

3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us!"

4 He that sitteth in the heavens (God the Father) SHALL LAUGH: the Lord (Yeeshuwa` the Messiah) SHALL HAVE THEM IN DERISION! (HE WILL MAKE FUN OF THEM! HE WILL MOCK THEM!) 5 Then shall he (God) speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion! 7 I will declare the decree:

"'the LORD hath said unto me,

"'"Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel! "'

10 "Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth! 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling! 12 KISS the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little! Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him!"

One day soon, Yeeshuwa` shall return as promised and bring His right to rule His Kingdom with Him! Then, He will begin His reign and annex those countries He subdues. (See Luke 1:30-33; 1 Corinthians 15:20-28; Matthew 25:31-46; Luke 19:11-15ff.) He will be doing this throughout the 1,000 years (Greek: chilia etee = "a-thousand years"; see Revelation 20:1-7). The above psalm is about a United Nations meeting to which God and His Messiah are not invited and show up anyway!

You support these entertainers.  I don't.  Attitudes like theirs is part of the reason I had to change my political party 14 months ago from Republican to Independent.

I could never be a Democrat.  I can never go back to Republican. [For more reasons that that.]

We will just have to agree to disagree.

[Retrobyter]

10 hours ago, Jayne said:

You support these entertainers.  I don't.  Attitudes like theirs is part of the reason I had to change my political party 14 months ago from Republican to Independent.

I could never be a Democrat.  I can never go back to Republican. [For more reasons than that.]

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Shalom, @Jayne.

Whether you support the "entertainers" or not, you SHOULD support the wisdom behind what they say. Godly wisdom is IMMUTABLE, and it doesn't matter whether it comes from a Will Rogers statesman or Bozo the clown!

[e lansing]

First I would like to say hello it’s been years since I’ve been on these forums and it puts a smile on my face to be back. 
In terms of topic I did not read all but the first dozen of other post and it appears that some feel like it’s pointless to vote for Trump.  Sad! I believe that Trump is a microcosm of true American patriots and Christianity. Trump is not Christ or anything close to being perfect he is as human as it gets, full of flaws. However I believe he loves America and we know this by his actions as our former president. The actions of any president, senator, governor tells us all what matters to them. And look at how trump has been treated. His actions as president shows his love for this country and at least half of this country hate him for it. As Christians who are not ashamed can totally relate to being hated for our love of Christ. As Christians we should vote for leaders who love this country because leaders who love this county love its people and respect their constitutional rights. Look at our history and the choices of our past leaders and look at where we are today. The hate for this country has grown and if we don’t stand up for America we will lose her to foreign values and cease to exist as God fearing freedom loving patriots. Yes vote for Trump. He is the best choice for the options given.

[e lansing]

Hey Keynes thanks for your heart felt statement however I think I may not have been clear enough. I’ve seen trump over the years and he used to be a big Clinton donor which made me laugh out loud when he first ran, I thought I would rather vote for goofy than him. He is a womanizer and maybe a racist however his police’s and leadership as president have been pertty good. We as Christian’s have to know how to separate ones personal past life from their ability to lead a nation. Unsaved people can be used by God to achieve Gods will. His salvation is not the issue here but rather his ability to lead this American Christian nation. I’ve debated so many people about trump, but after four years of his leadership we know what to expect from him and after almost 4years of current administration we know what to expect from them as well.  The choice should be clear for Christian patriots.