It is easy to say No Abortions, but

[ladypeartree]

I had 7 miscarriages after being told I could never have children  I did have them and sad to say lost two sons after ..it breaks my heart to hear of healthy women  carrying healthy children because of choices THEY made then murdering said children as it is inconvenient to give birth to them. We do not live in a time of ignorance There are plenty of birth control opportunities ( including abstinence ) if you chose to ignore them who should suffer the consequences  ?   The guilty or the innocent ? If an innocent person was put to death for the crimes of a guilty person there would be outcry so why not when millions of innocents are condemned ?

[Cntrysner]

The men that fathered those children should be identified held fully accountable by what ever means necessary. 

[Neighbor]

10 hours ago, ayin jade said:

Are you in favor of abortions if there is no support system?

I'm not in favor of abortion period! 

[ayin jade]

6 hours ago, Neighbor said:

I'm not in favor of abortion period! 

Glad to see this. Your initial post had me wondering.

Giving a child up for adoption is a better option over abortion, if the woman does not wish to keep it. Abstinence is an even better option but realistically does not happen. 

[Neighbor]

My encouragement is to be involved in providing  for  mother's to be regardless of the circumstances surrounding their pregnancy.

I suggest one can't say "I treasury life" and then say  "you have a problem tough. You shouldn't have babies if you can't plan and care for them without help."

I think it cruel for one to say be chaste, or to say don't be poor cause I am not going to help anyone that is facing dire circumstance  because they are pregnant and poor or pregnant and alone.

Of all the things in life that get funded sacrificially seems to me this should be right up near the top.

 

[Neighbor]

8 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

The men that fathered those children should be identified held fully accountable by what ever means necessary. 

There are poor and there are very poor that simply cannot provide sufficiently without help. Part of the blessing from God of not being very poor is to be made useful by God in helping those that are.

[AnOrangeCat]

58 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

There are poor and there are very poor that simply cannot provide sufficiently without help. Part of the blessing from God of not being very poor is to be made useful by God in helping those that are.

Completely agreed. There's so much in the Bible that shows God's concern for the poor, brokenhearted, and downtrodden. They're a good place to start if one is looking to be more Christlike. A cousin of mine was, for a while, a drug dealer. He made a respectable chunk of money through his not so respectable position during a time when certain synthetic substances were legally murky and was late to read the memo when they were finally made illegal. He eventually got caught and did jail time. His girlfriend didn't want anything to do with him afterwards and was tired of the lifestyle anyway after being threatened by some of their customers. They split up and he had to pay child support after his jail time was up.

Except a lot of months he was never able to pay. He had to do odd jobs, sell his blood at regular intervals, skipped meals, did questionable things, and borrow money he often couldn't repay just to scrape by because no real employers in his area were willing to hire a felon. I helped him for a while but I found the line between wanting to help and not wanting to enable his vices very difficult to walk.

[Cntrysner]

3 hours ago, Neighbor said:

There are poor and there are very poor that simply cannot provide sufficiently without help. Part of the blessing from God of not being very poor is to be made useful by God in helping those that are.

Yes, I agree we should help those in need and I was referring to men that are able but do not hold themselves accountable.  I supported four grandchildren financially and emotionally because of deadbeat fathers... it was very difficult but I would not hesitate to do it again.

1Ti 5:8  But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

[Tristen]

On 8/9/2024 at 11:55 PM, Neighbor said:

No Abortions, then what? Where is the support system for the pregnant woman, who provides food and shelter for mother and child? Can't just make the mother wear a scarlet letter and be done can we?

The fact that we can do better in other areas does not justify the murder of children.

The term "abortion" is invoked to sterilize the reality of what is truly happening in a so-called "abortion" - i.e. the intentional and unjustified destruction of a human life - i.e. a murder.

But yes - we can definitely do better in terms of providing support systems for vulnerable pregnant women.

 

[Neighbor]

9 hours ago, Tristen said:

The fact that we can do better in other areas does not justify the murder of children.

 

Of course not. That  is a given, my question  concerns the" then what?". I think it is pretty easy to say  no abortions, but that doesn't face the reality that many a pregnant woman has a serious situation she is facing and needs help. The woman  might be married or single, abused or not, she still needs help. She needs a support system.

So for the person that says no abortion the question does become then what? Will they  be involved or at least supportive of the individuals and groups that are providing an alternative to abortion, that do give housing aid, security from abuse, prenatal care, and ongoing support for mother, father, and the child?