Warning: Don't be caught sleeping when the "Thief" comes!

[Whosoever]

On 9/21/2024 at 7:53 AM, BornAgain490 said:

Correct. There is only one body of faithful believers, also known as the cultivated olive tree, also known as the children of God, also known as the Body of Christ, also known as the Bride of Christ, also known as the Israel of God, also known as the ekklesia or the ones called out of darkness that gather in His marvelous light, also known as the Church. 

If you're talking about "Gentiles", your talking about adopted children, Grafted into the branch "Jesus".  The bible says NOWHERE that the Jews have been replaced but rather that God has expanded His family.  That is why Paul warns those who think more highly of themselves than they ought. 

There isn't one book of the bible written by a gentile.  There isn't one member of the First church that wasn't a Jew. Only after Peter was summound to preach the Gospel to the first Gentile Cornilius did we see gentiles enter into adoption.  The Jewish Apostles were NEVER replaced by gentiles, not even to this day. 

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, Whosoever said:

If you're talking about "Gentiles", your talking about adopted children, Grafted into the branch "Jesus".  The bible says NOWHERE that the Jews have been replaced but rather that God has expanded His family.  That is why Paul warns those who think more highly of themselves than they ought. 

There isn't one book of the bible written by a gentile.  There isn't one member of the First church that wasn't a Jew. Only after Peter was summound to preach the Gospel to the first Gentile Cornilius did we see gentiles enter into adoption.  The Jewish Apostles were NEVER replaced by gentiles, not even to this day. 

I never said or suggested Jews were replaced.  There is one body of Christ and it includes faithful Jews and faithful Gentiles. 

The word 'church' is misunderstood by many. It is a poor translation of the word 'ekklesia', which means called out and gathered.  Ekklesia is used about one hundred times in the LXX to refer to the assembling of the people of the nation of Israel.  Since the Jews of Jesus's day would have been familiar with the LXX and the meaning of Greek words in general, they would have clearly understood when Jesus and the apostles used the word ekklesia. 

The ekklesia includes all Jews and Gentiles, before and after the first advent of Messiah, that are called out by God and gathered together in the promised Messiah that was to come,  and the Messiah thst in fact did come. 

Paul uses terms like 'natural' and 'adopted' metaphorically. Be clear: God is not just the God of the Jews, and Gentiles were not God's Plan B.  God is sovereign over all.

As sovereign,  God gets to choose whomever He decides to choose for whatever purpose He determines.  God chose Abraham Isaac and Jacob to become fathers to a priestly nation called Israel, which was supposed to be a light to draw all ethnicities to God so that all nations might receive the blessing of the Messiah redeemer that God promised in the beginning in the garden of Eden. 

Israel failed in their task, they were not the light God chose them to be, which is why Jesus left His rightful place in heaven to be the True Light that would reconcile fallen man to God by drawing all ethnicities to Christ- the One True God. 

Who wrote the book of Job, If you know?  If Job was written before Torah was written, how much before?

If Job wrote the book of Job, what makes you think Job was a not a Gentile?  Job knew of the promise God made in the Garden, which promise was long before Abraham Isaac had and Jacob and the twelve tribes, which is also why Job was able to say, "I know that my redeemer lives."  Job knew of the promised Messiah redeemer. That redeemer is Messiah - Jesus Christ. 

Who was the first Jew,  if you knoe?  

Was Noah a Jew, if you know?  Is Noah in the body of Christ?  

Edited September 23, 2024 by BornAgain490

[AdHoc]

9 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

The 12 disciples/apostles were promised by the Lord that they would rule over Israel in the regeneration.

`So Jesus said to them, "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed me will also sit on 12 thrones , judging the 12 tribes of Israel.` (Matt. 19: 28)

 

2 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

Dear sister, I agree with you in part, and disagree with you in part.

I agree with you that the faithful apostles of Christ have been promised a particular role in Christ's Kingdom, which is clearly announced in scripture by Christ.  (Matthew 19:28). 

I disagree with you that the faithful apostles are not in the the body of Christ. If the faithful apostles were faithful followers of Jesus Christ, where else could they be but in the body of Christ?

Because the faithful apostles are faithful followers of Christ, they are saved by God's grace, justified through faith, and sanctified (made holy) by the Holy Spirit, just like all faithful followers of Christ. Because they are faithful followers, justified and sanctified, they are children of God who will one day be glorified with Christ, just as all faithful followers of Christ will one day be. (Romans 8:28-30).  The complete number of faithful Jews and Gentiles throughout every generation comprise the Body of Christ. 

Jesus came to teach and instruct the will of the Father, (Matthew 7:16), and did indeed teach and intruct His faithful apostles in the will of the Father. (See, MML&J).

When God revealed to the faithful Peter that Jesus was the Christ, Jesus said He would build His church on such faith.  (Matthew 16:13-19).  The Church is the Body of Christ, and Jesus is its head. (Colossians 1:18). Clearly Peter is part of the church, and is therefore in the body of Christ. 

When the mother of John and James asked a favor of Jesus for her sons in Christ's kingdom, Jesus did not say they would not be with Him in His kingdom, but that what the mother was asking was reserved for whom the Father chose. (Matthew 20:20-23).  

After His resurrection and prior to His ascension, Jesus commanded His faithful apostles to go into all the word, to every nation, and teach them to observe  all that Jesus had commanded, in other words: go and make disciples, faithful followers, Christians to enter Christ's kingdom. (Matthew 28:19-20).  

There are only two types of people, whether dead or alive: either saved or lost.  Saved Jews (apostles included) and saved Gentiles are all in the same place, and that place is in the body of Christ. Lost Jews and lost Gentiles are forever separated from the presence of God.   Amen. 

Have a blessed day.  

There is a much shorter answer to our esteemed sister. To be a king in the next age, whether sitting over an Israelite Tribe or a city of the Gentiles, you have to be born again (Jn.3:3-5). To be son of God by birth you need faith (Jn.1:12-13). You need to be Baptized (Jn.3:5). And you need to have given up everything for Jesus - which is what the Apostles did (Matt.19:28, Lk.22:30). Added to this, a number of them were martyrs, making them guaranteed of the "First Resurrection" (Rev.20:1-4).

[sistergrace]

Amen

Abba Help us all to keep watch and pray

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 9/22/2024 at 8:52 AM, Cntrysner said:

Christ’s Body was Spirit substance with God before He became flesh and He returned to that substance with God as fully God.

Christ is God.   Fully God and fully man.

"I (wisdom) was set up from everlasting, before ever the earth was,
when there were no depths I was brought forth"
Proverbs 8:23-24

"Christ is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
of every creature: for by Him where all things created,
that are in heaven, and that are in the earth,
visible and invisible...
And He is before all things, and by Him all things are held together."
Colossians 1:15-17

Those two passages are and have to be true at the same time.

Therefore the wise plan concerning Christ was first.
And because very existence comes from the thoughts of God,
when He thought of dying on behalf of His creation,
which we can conclude (based on the above) was His very first thought,
there also was the physical man Christ, and everything created
was based off of the fact that God would indwell the man Christ Jesus.

"And as they spake, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them...
and they were afraid and thought that they had seen a spirit.
And He said to them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts
arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet,
that it is I myself: handle me, and see,
because a spirit does not have flesh and bones,
as ye see I have."
Luke 24:37-39

 

God the Father is a spirit, pure consciousness that just is and always was.
Jesus is the physical body of God.

Christ ascended bodily up through the sky and into the heavenly city,
to physically sit on the throne of God.

Acts 1:9-11, Hebrews 12:2

In the end the heavenly city physically comes down.
Revelation 21:2

It is a physical place with actual streets of transparent gold.

 

 

 

[farouk]

7 hours ago, sistergrace said:

Amen

Abba Help us all to keep watch and pray

Hi @sistergrace Keep looking up, right? 1 Corinthians 11.26; Hebrews 12.2

[Whosoever]

13 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

I never said or suggested Jews were replaced.  There is one body of Christ and it includes faithful Jews and faithful Gentiles. 

The word 'church' is misunderstood by many. It is a poor translation of the word 'ekklesia', which means called out and gathered.  Ekklesia is used about one hundred times in the LXX to refer to the assembling of the people of the nation of Israel.  Since the Jews of Jesus's day would have been familiar with the LXX and the meaning of Greek words in general, they would have clearly understood when Jesus and the apostles used the word ekklesia. 

The ekklesia includes all Jews and Gentiles, before and after the first advent of Messiah, that are called out by God and gathered together in the promised Messiah that was to come,  and the Messiah thst in fact did come. 

Paul uses terms like 'natural' and 'adopted' metaphorically. Be clear: God is not just the God of the Jews, and Gentiles were not God's Plan B.  God is sovereign over all.

As sovereign,  God gets to choose whomever He decides to choose for whatever purpose He determines.  God chose Abraham Isaac and Jacob to become fathers to a priestly nation called Israel, which was supposed to be a light to draw all ethnicities to God so that all nations might receive the blessing of the Messiah redeemer that God promised in the beginning in the garden of Eden. 

Israel failed in their task, they were not the light God chose them to be, which is why Jesus left His rightful place in heaven to be the True Light that would reconcile fallen man to God by drawing all ethnicities to Christ- the One True God. 

Who wrote the book of Job, If you know?  If Job was written before Torah was written, how much before?

If Job wrote the book of Job, what makes ou think Job was a not a Gentile?  Job knew of the promise God made in the Garden, which promise was long before Abraham Isaac had and Jacob and the twelve tribes, which is also why Job was able to say, "I know that my redeemer lives."  Job knew of the promised Messiah redeemer. That redeemer is Messiah - Jesus Christ. 

Who was the first Jew,  if you knoe?  

Was Noah a Jew, if you know?  Is Noah in the body of Christ?  

What's interesting, is that eveyone you mentioned in this post, you question they're Jewishness, fair enough, but why would gentiles, if they were,  write the account in the original Hebrew text?  Again, apart from the Jew, these questionable figures would not be known. 

[Marilyn C]

17 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

Dear sister, I agree with you in part, and disagree with you in part.

I agree with you that the faithful apostles of Christ have been promised a particular role in Christ's Kingdom, which is clearly announced in scripture by Christ.  (Matthew 19:28). 

I disagree with you that the faithful apostles are not in the the body of Christ. If the faithful apostles were faithful followers of Jesus Christ, where else could they be but in the body of Christ?

Because the faithful apostles are faithful followers of Christ, they are saved by God's grace, justified through faith, and sanctified (made holy) by the Holy Spirit, just like all faithful followers of Christ. Because they are faithful followers, justified and sanctified, they are children of God who will one day be glorified with Christ, just as all faithful followers of Christ will one day be. (Romans 8:28-30).  The complete number of faithful Jews and Gentiles throughout every generation comprise the Body of Christ. 

Jesus came to teach and instruct the will of the Father, (Matthew 7:16), and did indeed teach and intruct His faithful apostles in the will of the Father. (See, MML&J).

When God revealed to the faithful Peter that Jesus was the Christ, Jesus said He would build His church on such faith.  (Matthew 16:13-19).  The Church is the Body of Christ, and Jesus is its head. (Colossians 1:18). Clearly Peter is part of the church, and is therefore in the body of Christ. 

When the mother of John and James asked a favor of Jesus for her sons in Christ's kingdom, Jesus did not say they would not be with Him in His kingdom, but that what the mother was asking was reserved for whom the Father chose. (Matthew 20:20-23).  

After His resurrection and prior to His ascension, Jesus commanded His faithful apostles to go into all the word, to every nation, and teach them to observe  all that Jesus had commanded, in other words: go and make disciples, faithful followers, Christians to enter Christ's kingdom. (Matthew 28:19-20).  

There are only two types of people, whether dead or alive: either saved or lost.  Saved Jews (apostles included) and saved Gentiles are all in the same place, and that place is in the body of Christ. Lost Jews and lost Gentiles are forever separated from the presence of God.   Amen. 

Have a blessed day.  

Yes, only two types of people - saved and unsaved, however there are different inheritances in God`s great kingdom -

third heaven, on Christ`s throne 0 Body of Christ.

Universe - New Jerusalem - OT saints, 12 apostles of the Lamb & 144,000.

new earth - Israel and nations.

 

Each have rulership under the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Marilyn C]

Just now, Marilyn C said:

Yes, only two types of people - saved and unsaved, however there are different inheritances in God`s great kingdom -

third heaven, on Christ`s throne - Body of Christ.

Universe - New Jerusalem - OT saints, 12 apostles of the Lamb & 144,000.

new earth - Israel and nations.

 

Each have rulership under the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[BornAgain490]

12 hours ago, Whosoever said:

What's interesting, is that eveyone you mentioned in this post, you question they're Jewishness, fair enough, but why would gentiles, if they were,  write the account in the original Hebrew text?  Again, apart from the Jew, these questionable figures would not be known. 

The term 'Jew' was used after Jacob's son Judah. The name 'Israel' was used only after God changed Jacob's name to Israel.  So, which came first: the Israelite or the Jew?  

Do you know what the Hebrew word for nation is?  It is 'goy.'  Goy is a root word that is used to describe Israel and Gentiles and simply means nation, people, or  ethnicity.

When speaking to Abram, God specifically told Abram that he would be the father of many goyim.  See, Genesis 12:2; 17:4; 17:6; 17:20; 18:18. 

The word goy is also used to refer to the nation of Egypt, Exodus 9:24, and the nation of Israel, Exodus 19:6. 

Today, however, whenever the term 'goy' is used, it is usually referring to non-Jews/Gentiles.  But that's today. 

Ancient Hebrew, paleo Hebrew, Aramaic, koine Greek: these are languages that both Jews and non-Jews wrote and spoke.

The LXX and the NT are written in Greek, but that does not suggest the writers were all Gentiles, does it?   

Take for ex: when Lot was in Sodom and Gomorrha, he was able to communicate with the men of that city in his vulgar tongue, which was the same vulgar tongue Abram spoke.  Lot's time in Sodom and Gomorrha was long before there was a nation of Isreal and much longer before anyone was ever called a Jew.  These are historical facts. So anyone mentioned in the Bible before the advent of the terms 'Israel' and 'Jew' is properly identified as goy - non-jew, Gentile.  Do you see?

So it is quite possible that Job was not a decendant of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, and perhaps not even a descendant of Eber, from where the term Hebrew derives, which would make Job a Gentile, and not a Hebrew or Isrealite or a Jew.  But, if Job wrote the Book of Job, then Job obviously knew the paleo Hebrew language and paleo Hebrew grammar.  Indeed, the paleo Hebrew language may have been Job's vulgar tongue, for it was likely the tongue of all those in the region of Samaria in the time of Job. 

Edited September 24, 2024 by BornAgain490