Who Lives AND Reigns For 1000 years?

[Mr. M]

7 hours ago, AdHoc said:

You hardly comment. If you want scripture to comment then it would be correct to say that "scripture comments" - not you.

 

7 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Scripture itself tells us who participate in the 1,000 year reign with Christ. In the following verses three groups are named;

 

On 10/2/2024 at 9:06 AM, Mr. M said:

The dead in Christ do not participate in the First Resurrection:

5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 

1 Thessalonians 4:

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 

17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

The beheaded are blessed and holy because they are exempted from the second death, having been "pre-judged" by their refusal to receive the mark of the beast, and prove "they did not love their lives even unto death".

6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

So then when is The Gathering of the Saints? Other than the blessed and holy beheaded,

at the end of 1000 years.

Anyone can repeat a sinners prayer. Only the most faithful stand on Christ before the guillotine. 

An "earthly beheading" is the final and possibly highest blessing this side of heaven.

As I have pointed out, scripture with chapter

and verse in blue.

No need for "scripture comments" in my mind.

One verse in blue, one comment in black.

Are you seriously saying that others cannot

provide their own comments based

on the scriptures cited?

7 hours ago, AdHoc said:

The "rest of the dead" are those who are not Christ's "at His COMING" (1st Cor.15:23). The Greek for "First" can mean "FIRST in time" AND it also means "FIRST in importance or rank". Here it means "FIRST in importance" since a crown and a throne are PRIZES for faithful service and faithful self-denial. "He who loses his life ... will gain his soul life" ("psuche" in the Greek)

I do not see this statement being in agreement

with 1 Thessalonians 4 cited.

I understand your concerns for Abel and Steven

and every martyr, but this is not clearly stated

in the verse that you claim "clearly states".

Very inconsistent.

 

On 10/2/2024 at 9:06 AM, Mr. M said:

1 Thessalonians 4:

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 

 

If you could clarify your comments on what the scripture

clearly states without your comment,

I will gladly stand corrected.

7 hours ago, AdHoc said:

1. Those who died for the Witness of Christ. That would start with Stephen
2. Those who died for the Word of God. That would start with Abel and end with the Two Witnesses
3. Those who refused any form of cooperation with the Beast and died for it (Not those of Rev.13:7)

 

 

 

Maybe you could comment on that further,

as the verses have been both cited

and commented on. 

On 10/2/2024 at 9:06 AM, Mr. M said:

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 

I only see one group which coincides with your number 3.

 

Edited October 6, 2024 by Mr. M

[AdHoc]

18 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I believe that Holy Scripture combined with literal Bible knowledge of the subject is appropriate. Rather it be our own words or the words of a well educated bible scholar. I am not that. But it must be truly Biblical.

Correct. In Ephesians 4 there are two unities - 1. the unity already established by the Holy Spirit, and 2. the unity of THE faith - that which we believe. One of the gifts to bring us to the second unity is teachers. A teacher has to learn. This takes time and some mistakes. It's human - and the Lord allows it. Look at the encouraging words about Apollos even though he caused the Holy Spirit to be delayed. Let the youngest and most uneducated of us speak - and let the others judge. We'll all learn.

[angels4u]

On 10/2/2024 at 3:08 PM, missmuffet said:

Those Christians who remain alive and survive the 7 year tribulation(there will not be many) will inhabit the 1000 year millennium in their mortal bodies.

Amen..very Biblical,they will start families again and all have to come to Jesus for Salvation,the sacrifices will start again ,just read your Bible ,its all in there...

[missmuffet]

11 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Amen..very Biblical,they will start families again and all have to come to Jesus for Salvation,the sacrifices will start again ,just read your Bible ,its all in there...

And we as the Saints who went in the Rapture will rule with Christ.

[Mr. M]

On 10/2/2024 at 9:06 AM, Mr. M said:

Revelation 20:

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them.

 

On 10/2/2024 at 9:06 AM, Mr. M said:

And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 

Revelation 7:13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 

Serving before the throne. Not seated on thrones reigning with...

"Who live AND reigns for 1000 years"?

[missmuffet]

14 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Correct. In Ephesians 4 there are two unities - 1. the unity already established by the Holy Spirit, and 2. the unity of THE faith - that which we believe. One of the gifts to bring us to the second unity is teachers. A teacher has to learn. This takes time and some mistakes. It's human - and the Lord allows it. Look at the encouraging words about Apollos even though he caused the Holy Spirit to be delayed. Let the youngest and most uneducated of us speak - and let the others judge. We'll all learn.

I am very fussy who teaches me the true Word of God and I love to learn the truth. Dr. David Jeremiah and Dr. Charles Stanley are a couple of great Pastors and teachers.

[angels4u]

5 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I am very fussy who teaches me the true Word of God and I love to learn the truth. Dr. David Jeremiah and Dr. Charles Stanley are a couple of great Pastors and teachers.

They both are very good teachers!

[AdHoc]

7 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

 

 

As I have pointed out, scripture with chapter and verse in blue.

No need for "scripture comments" in my mind.

One verse in blue, one comment in black. Are you seriously saying

that others cannot provide their own comments based on the scriptures cited?

I do not see this statement being in agreement with 1 Thessalonians 4 cited.

I understand your concerns for Abel and Steven and every martyr, but this is not

clearly stated in the verse that you claim "clearly states". Very inconsistent.

 

 

If you could clarify your comments on what the scripture

clearly states without your comment,

I will gladly stand corrected.

 

 

Maybe you could comment on that further, as the verses have been both

cited and commented on. 

I only see one group which coincides with your number 3.

 

Gladly will I comment on 1st Thessalonians 4.13-18.

Paul was only in Thessaloniki for three weeks. he could not teach everything in that time. He taught the rapture and that the saints should be ready. But only the LIVING are raptured (5:23) - the whole man. Some saints had died after Paul left and the Thessalonian saints MOURNED because they thought that those a sleep in Christ would miss the rapture. Paul then goes to show two things;
1. That despite death in which the body is separated from the soul, and the soul abides in Hades (Act.2:26-34), the Lord would still be able to bring ALL the saints with Him when He came - as Jude had reported Enoch as saying (Jud 14)
2. The saints LIVING at the time would NOT PRE-CEDE those asleep in Christ. That is, they would have no advantage over the dead saints.

To accomplish this the following happens; Those dead RISE to the surface of the earth FIRST, where they receive a new body. The living are CHANGED to a body fit for the Kingdom (1st Cor.15:50-54) and TOGETHER they are caught away to the clouds to meet Christ. Then, once judged, they ALL descend WITH the Lord. Thus, those in Hades have no disadvantage and the Thessalonian saints should COMFORT each other with this word.

The struggles some saints have with 1st Thessalonians 4 is because they erroneously believe the Roman Catholic doctrine that the dead go to heaven. If this was the case, the Bible made a mistake for it says that the dead ROSE. And it would be impossible for the resurrected saints to go TOGETHER with the LIVING saints. BOTH resurrected and the LIVING saints are "caught away" (lit. Gk. - "harpazo" indicates movement but not direction)

[Mr. M]

12 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Gladly will I comment on 1st Thessalonians 4.13-18.

Paul was only in Thessaloniki for three weeks. he could not teach everything in that time. He taught the rapture and that the saints should be ready. But only the LIVING are raptured (5:23) - the whole man. Some saints had died after Paul left and the Thessalonian saints MOURNED because they thought that those a sleep in Christ would miss the rapture. Paul then goes to show two things;
1. That despite death in which the body is separated from the soul, and the soul abides in Hades (Act.2:26-34), the Lord would still be able to bring ALL the saints with Him when He came - as Jude had reported Enoch as saying (Jud 14)
2. The saints LIVING at the time would NOT PRE-CEDE those asleep in Christ. That is, they would have no advantage over the dead saints.

To accomplish this the following happens; Those dead RISE to the surface of the earth FIRST, where they receive a new body. The living are CHANGED to a body fit for the Kingdom (1st Cor.15:50-54) and TOGETHER they are caught away to the clouds to meet Christ. Then, once judged, they ALL descend WITH the Lord. Thus, those in Hades have no disadvantage and the Thessalonian saints should COMFORT each other with this word.

The struggles some saints have with 1st Thessalonians 4 is because they erroneously believe the Roman Catholic doctrine that the dead go to heaven. If this was the case, the Bible made a mistake for it says that the dead ROSE. And it would be impossible for the resurrected saints to go TOGETHER with the LIVING saints. BOTH resurrected and the LIVING saints are "caught away" (lit. Gk. - "harpazo" indicates movement but not direction)

And yet they are never said to be all seated on thrones to reign for 1000 years.

[AdHoc]

13 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

 

Revelation 7:13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 

Serving before the throne. Not seated on thrones reigning with...

"Who live AND reigns for 1000 years"?

Yes. But you have only taken those whose garments were dirty. They go through THE Great Tribulation and are refined by its fire - not to rule, but to SERVE**. Those beheaded in Chapter 20 form the Overcomers to who is promised te "Out-resurrection" and "PRIZE" of the "Upward call" (Phil.3:9-14).

There are three seeds of the Woman, 1. Those who overcome and who are caught away to the throne, 2. those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ but must flee to a wilderness, and 3. those who keep the commandments of God - the Jewish Remnant promised in Romans 9 and 11.

** See Zachariah's prophecy of Luke Chapter 1. Israel did not believe and have the Kingdom ripped away from them (Matt.21:43, 23:38). But they still may SERVE as Ezekiel shows.