Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

[douggg]

3 minutes ago, The Light said:

Hi Doug. The Word of God says that Gog Magog is at the end of the 1000 years. Do you think Israel is an unwalled village? Do you think Israel is quiet and at peace?

They will not be quiet and at peace until the Jesus returns.

In Ezekiel 39:9 there are seven years that follow the Gog/Magog event.

Differently, in the Revelation 20 involvement of the Gog and Magog nations, it is followed  immediately by the Great White Throne Judgment.

Regarding the issue of unwalled villages and  dwelling in safety, I do understand your point.

imo, I think when compared to the time of Holocaust in WWII, that preceded the mass return of Jews back to the land of Israel, to form the nation of Israel again, they are living in relative safety.

In Ezekiel 39:8 and Ezekiel 38:16 are the terms "the latter years" and "the latter days".   Similar to what the angel of Daniel 10:14 said concerning what would happen to Daniel's people in the latter days - in the narrative the angel spoke about in Daniel 11 and Daniel 12.

 

 

[The Light]

On 10/31/2024 at 5:22 AM, Diaste said:

Abraham believed in Jesus, met Him on the plains of Mamre. Paul said being in Christ is the faith of Abraham. The Church of Jesus Christ began there, when Abraham believed God. The church didn't start with Paul, or Jesus, or in the 1st century, or at Pentecost, it began with Abraham.

Wow. You don't think Jesus built the Church? This verse shows that Jesus WLL BUILD THE CHURCH. It did not begin with Abraham like you claim.

Matthew 16

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 

 

On 10/31/2024 at 5:22 AM, Diaste said:

Yes, until the adoption of the Gentiles into the family of God in the faith of Abraham, in Christ, is complete to God the Father's satisfaction. 

Abraham over Jesus? We must have different Bibles.

On 10/31/2024 at 5:22 AM, Diaste said:

Since there will be no rapture of the church pretrib, the point is moot.

The fact you are not watching as instructed will not keep the rapture of the Church from happening before the Great Tribulation.

On 10/31/2024 at 5:22 AM, Diaste said:

Rev 7 reveals who is taken, those who came out from within GT. That's one harvest with firstfruits.

The great multitude comes from gathering from heaven and earth at the 6th seal

Mark 13

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Those that come out of Great Tribulation are gathered from the earth.

On 10/31/2024 at 5:22 AM, Diaste said:

That is not who scripture presents the gathering. 

To your understanding.

On 10/31/2024 at 5:22 AM, Diaste said:

Nope. Only a few from the city that flee to the great valley opened up when Jesus alights on the Mount of Olives.

I use KJV. It says that the woman, Israel, will be in her place of protection for a time, times and half a time. They don't flee when Jesus comes. They run to greet Him.

On 10/31/2024 at 5:22 AM, Diaste said:

The 1st fruits are just the initial gathering of the main harvest. The best, or ripest, or special circumstance are gathered for unique purpose or attribute. Doesn't have to be separated by time or events. 

The first fruits are the first fruits of the harvest. There is more than one harvest according to the feasts of God.

On 10/31/2024 at 5:22 AM, Diaste said:

When we harvested the first of the small grains were always stored for planting the next year, we didn't glean the seed then wait for months to harvest, we just took the first fruit for special purpose and kept right on gathering the rest of the harvest. Thus it will be. 

The Word shows that the 144,000 are redeemed from the earth before the harvest. This harvest is the fruit harvest.

[The Light]

19 minutes ago, douggg said:

In Ezekiel 39:9 there are seven years that follow the Gog/Magog event.

Yes, they are burning the weapons of the war. Wood.

Ezekiel 39

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

19 minutes ago, douggg said:

Differently, in the Revelation 20 involvement of the Gog and Magog nations, it is followed  immediately by the Great White Throne Judgment.

Regarding the issue of unwalled villages and  dwelling in safety, I do understand your point.

imo, I think when compared to the time of Holocaust in WWII, that preceded the mass return of Jews back to the land of Israel, to form the nation of Israel again, they are living in relative safety.

In Ezekiel 39:8 and Ezekiel 38:16 are the terms "the latter years" and "the latter days".   Similar to what the angel of Daniel 10:14 said concerning what would happen to Daniel's people in the latter days - in the narrative the angel spoke about in Daniel 11 and Daniel 12.

 

 

Don't you think that after the 1000 years would be latter years and latter days?

 

[douggg]

32 minutes ago, The Light said:

Yes, they are burning the weapons of the war. Wood.

imo, the diesel fuel in the vehicles.

33 minutes ago, The Light said:

Don't you think that after the 1000 years would be latter years and latter days?

From the content of Daniel 11:36-Daniel 12:13 , which includes the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12,  I don't think after the 1000 years meets the description of how latter years and latter days is used in Ezekiel 38.

Also in Ezekiel 39:17-20, after the 7 years, is a feast by the birds and beasts that matches the description in Revelation 19:17-18 at Jesus's Second Coming.

In Ezekiel 39:21-29, is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth.

In Ezekiel 39:28, is the gathering of the remaining Jews from the nations, the gathering of Matthew 24:31 and Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

 

[douggg]

Here is a table I made of all the end times timeframes given in the bible.     The 7 years and the 7 months found in Ezekiel 39 that follow the Gog/Magog event are shown on the table.

 

 

[Marilyn C]

9 hours ago, The Light said:

Hi Marilyn,

I'm not seeing where the day of the Lord begins when the 70th week begins. The one -year Day of the Lord does occur during the 7Oth week, but it does not begin when the 70th week begins. The Day of the Lord is the 7th seal wrath of God.

`Day,` Heb. `yowm - a season, (period of time) & a specific day. 

GK. `hemera` - a period of time and a specific day.

The prophet Hoel tells us that the Day of the Lord (period of time) starts when the northern Federation comes down to Israel. (Joel 2: 1 & 2 & 20)

Peter tells us that the Day of the Lord (period of time) finishes when the heavens get burnt up. That includes the 70th week, the trib, and the millennium. 

The Day of the Lord, specific day is the 7th seal, the wrath of God, as you said.

[Marilyn C]

9 hours ago, The Light said:

Hi Doug. The Word of God says that Gog Magog is at the end of the 1000 years. Do you think Israel is an unwalled village? Do you think Israel is quiet and at peace?

They will not be quiet and at peace until the Jesus returns.

Good detail there The Light, Now there are 2 Gog Magog wars. They are from the most northern country.

The Golan Heights is UNWALLED, and that is where the Russian Federation will attack.

The Heb. word for `safely` is `betach,` - meaning confident, assurance. 

Israel is confident today for it has successfully thwarted its enemies from all sides. 

[SACREDWARRIOR]

21 hours ago, The Light said:

Daniel 9

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Can you tell me when the Jews destroyed the city of Jerusalem? 

well first of all THE JEWS DIDN'T destroy the the city the ROMANS DID under TITUS... the event took place around 70 AD...two completely separate events...unrelated to each other...

 

[The Light]

3 hours ago, SACREDWARRIOR said:

well first of all THE JEWS DIDN'T destroy the the city the ROMANS DID under TITUS... the event took place around 70 AD...two completely separate events...unrelated to each other...

Wait a minute. You said:

"IF YOU READ CAREFULLY, the "HE" IS JESUS AND THE TEMPLE DESOLATION (making it null and void) WAS THE RENDING OF THE CURTAIN SEPARATING THE HOLY OF HOLIES!!!"

Are you saying that Jesus caused the Temple to be desolate?

Now you want to claim that it is the Romans.

Maybe, I'm not following you. Can you clarify your position so I can use the proper scripture to disprove what you have said?

[The Light]

15 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Good detail there The Light, Now there are 2 Gog Magog wars. They are from the most northern country.

 

How do you know there are two Gog Magog wars?

Today's King of the North that does as he pleases does not appear to be Russia.