Wrath v Great Tribulation

[Diaste]

On 12/13/2024 at 9:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

from the 1260 middle of the week on, God's Wrath and the Greatest Ever Troubles are parallel events,

No. That's what you say. It's clear from the Olivet Discourse GT is before, a stand alone from God's wrath, comprised of the wrath of Satan, the return of Jesus. The return of Jesus is what commences the wrath per Rev 6:

 17For the great day of Theirc wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

This is after the cosmic signs of the sun, moon, and stars, which from the Olivet Discourse is only after GT. There is no way GT and God's wrath are parallel. GT and Satan's wrath are parallel, in fact they are one and the same. It's Satan's wrath driving the death and destruction of the persecution within GT.

But this notion you have of God's wrath being parallel to GT is contradictory to other scripture which states believers do not endure God's wrath. There are clearly believers in the GT, per Rev 7, "These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." And it therefore contradicts your own Pretrib position.

So one cannot, should not, conclude GT is the same as God's wrath. 

[Diaste]

On 12/13/2024 at 9:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

The point is the 1260 days CAN NOT be a part of the TIMELINE, its a Parenthetical Citation Chapter that happens at the exact same to as God's 1260 days of Wrath seen in Chapters 8, 9 and 16. Now, this passage actually proves the Pre Trib. Rapture, as I have pointed out many times and never get rebutted. 

You get rebutted all the time. You also ignore it every time.

On 12/13/2024 at 9:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

The WOMAN is Israel who repents (the 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9 or otherwise knows as the 5 million Jews who repent) and because the Dragon Satan, vis the Anti-Christ Army CAN NOT get at her, he gets angry and goes after The Remnant [Church] and we know this Remnant can not be Jewish by reading the texts don't we? 

Rev. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman(Israel), and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood(A.C. Army is not allowed to harm Israel, like in the Desert after Egypt God protects her) which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth(Angry) with the woman(Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her(Israel) seed (Jesus is THAT SEED, read Gal. 3:16 Paul says there is ONE SEED, Jesus), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ(Only, The Remnant Church have that TESTIMONY).

 

On 12/13/2024 at 9:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

So, this is so easy to add up, you think hey THS PROVES the Church is on earth, no it proves the Pre Trib. Rapture of the Church because it calls the Church here the Remnant and that totally escapes you. A Remnant definition = a Small part of a larger item or entity. 

You literally just posted the ones who face the wrath of the dragon are the ones who hold to the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. These are on earth and are facing the  worst persecution ever. You find it, read it, post it, then deny it. 

How interesting. 

On 12/13/2024 at 9:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

We can 100% prove this can not be a Jewish Remnant, the portion you quoted proves this.

Yeah? So what? I don't contend they are.

On 12/13/2024 at 9:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

 

So, Satan gets angry that he can not get at the Woman (Israel who repents and flees into the Petra/Bozrah region) so he TURNS to go AFTER her (Israel's) SEEDS Remnant and thus the Remnant who know Jesus hand have his testimony. but wait, it CAN NOT be the 2/3 Jews because the refuse to repent remember, and they will all die according to Zech. 13:8-9. so it can not be the 1/3 whom Satan can not get after, plus 1/3 is not a Remnant right? And the 2/3 can not have Jesus' Testimony, nor be of God, so this REMNANT can only be the Remnant Gentile Church on earth, a SMALL PART of the FULL Church, who are in Heaven Marrying the Lamb during the 70th week. Now, this all fits, 

And once again you contradict your own testimony of the pretrib fantasy. You say, Pretrib is the truth because believers do not endure the wrath of God, then you also place believers in what you claim is the wrath of God. 

Remember? You said God's wrath and GT are the same and run parallel. 

 

On 12/13/2024 at 9:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

So, you never put 2 + 2 together because you have preconceived ideas on the subject which will not allow you to see it, its called a REMNANT by John/God for a reason, because all gentiles who come unto Christ Jesus during the 70th week can only be a Remnant of the church, they can not be the church in full. 

Hung up and that remnant thing like it's the clue that crack the case wide open. The problem is you still have believers enduring the wrath of God. This contradicts the testimony of the Spirit, Jesus, Paul and God our Father. 

On 12/13/2024 at 9:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

On 12/13/2024 at 3:36 AM, Diaste said:

If Jesus wanted us to look to harvests then why didn't he mention it in the Olivet Discourse?

On 12/12/2024 at 7:06 AM, Revelation Man said:

I meant to say this does not only cover the 3.5 years of Wrath, but instead the full 7 years. The Olivet Discourse talks about Harvests, when Jesus returns in vs. 30 thats the 2nd coming harvest of the 144,000 or 5 million Jews plus the Remnant Church, plus the Wicked Grapes will be slain. The pre trib. rapture is seen in verses 36-51. 

No mention of harvest in the Olivet Discourse. Even if it can be construed the gathering is the harvest, I concur, Jesus never says to look to the harvests for insight to the end of the age, He says to look for all the things He just said, and none are ancient ways, rituals, traditions or shadows and types.

[Revelation Man]

13 hours ago, Diaste said:

That's because you don't pay attention to what Jesus is saying but rather fancy your self as the chief prophetic interpreter.

So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 

For at that time there will be great tribulation, unseen from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

You can't seem to grasp the above. After the A of D, then is the greatest tribulation ever known to man of God. It's a specific time of GT, never before and never again, sandwiched between the A of D and Jesus' arrival. 

It's not difficult, unless you don't listen.

No, that is not my point at all, which proves you lack discernment on things when placed in a contextual situation. I know that Matt. 24:15-21 refers to the Greatest Ever Troubles seen, but that does not mean that there can not but other Great Tribulation times in the world. The CONTEXT Jesus uses is what separates the two, he then goes on to say this great tribulation will be the GRESTEST EVER SEEN. So, is a 20 run win in baseball a large win? Yes, but what if you had 8 wins over 20 runs in history, but one game was a 35 run win, it would be the LARGEST EVER WIN but not the only LARGE WIN. Yu can have GREAT TRIBULATION without it being the GREATEST EVER TRIBULATION. So, is Jesus speaking about the "Wrath of God period in Matt. 24:15-21? Yes, because the context says so. In Rev. 7:9-16 is Jesus talking about Saints that got killed in the 70th week Greatest Ever Tribulation? No, just because it says they came out of Great Tribulation, that does not mean and because of context can not mean this, these are Pre Trib. Raptured Saints, you cant see it because it would make your whole take on this erroneous. 

As I have pointed out, no one goes to the wedding after the doors have been closed, so no one from the 70th week enters Heaven. This is PROVEN as I have shown you many many times, by reading Rev. 20:4. When are the 70th week Saints raised and judged brother? AFTER Jesus' return as Rev. 20:4 says, so those seen in Rev. 7:9-16 can only come out of the great tribulation of the Church Age which NO ONE SAYS is the Greatest Ever Tribulation, you and others try to mandate great can only be used one time by God, but great IS NOT Greatest Ever. Also, to put a bow on this, the Saints under the altar in Seal #5 (which is Jesus foretelling what they will think when they do die because the Wrath starts in Rev. 8, NOT in Rev. 6) are told THEY MUST WAIT for a little season (42 months) until.......UNTIL ALL OF THEIR BROTHERS HAVE BEEN KILLED in like manner as they have. What part of this can't people grasp? They will not be judged until the Little Horn/Anti-Christ/Beasts reign of terror is over, which parallels God's 42 months of Wrath. So, those seen in Rev. 7:9-16 can only be the Pre Trib. Raptured Church, and this can not be DEFEATED with you quibbling about a word called GREAT. When I see guys who do not know how to get to the bottom of a point its always because they start out with an already assumed agenda or POV, and they will not be moved off that point thus they have a blindside built it to their eschatological studies. 

Yes, 99.9 million people out of 100 million knows Matt. 24:15-21 is about the Greatest Ever Troubles, BUT..........that in no wise means every time we hear the words great tribulation it has to be referring to the time seen in Matt. 24:15-21. GREAT is not GREATEST EVER right? Add this to the facts that Jesus told those Martyrs they MUST WAIT until the Beasts rule is over before they get their vengeance and the fact that Rev. 20:4 proves the 70th week Martyrs never go to heaven, but are raised and judged after  the 2nd coming of Jesus.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

No. That's what you say. It's clear from the Olivet Discourse GT is before, a stand alone from God's wrath, comprised of the wrath of Satan, the return of Jesus. The return of Jesus is what commences the wrath per Rev 6:

 17For the great day of Theirc wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

Jesus returns in Rev. 16:19, once again you (and others) not understanding the simple timelines makes you look at lots of other things and try to add them in, but God gave us a jumbled book of Revelation on purpose, He makes us dig out His truths. You not putting 2 + 2 together, that Seals BIND SCROLLS, means you can not grasp the Wrath being spoken about in Seal #6 is a future tense (from that real point in time after the 70th week starts)vision, just like Seals 1-5 show a soon to come (again, at that time) Anti-Christ. Rev. 7 then shows Zech. 13:8-9, the 1/3 Jews repenting. So, sense you can not grasp the Seals have the Wrath SEALED up you miss it all, as I did for 30 years, but God only reveals His secret things when He so choses, as He told Daniel in Dan. 12. Why do you think Jesus used a metaphor of a Scroll that is WAX SEALED by 7 Wax Signet Seals? So if God left a letter with 7 Wax Signet Seals on it would you be able to read it after 6 seals were taken  off? NO !! Of course not. God make this simple, you guys overthink it.

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

This is after the cosmic signs of the sun, moon, and stars, which from the Olivet Discourse is only after GT. There is no way GT and God's wrath are parallel. GT and Satan's wrath are parallel, in fact they are one and the same. It's Satan's wrath driving the death and destruction of the persecution within GT.

No, Seal # 6 is Jesus FORETELLING what comes after the 7th Seal is taken off !! That is why Seal #7 is over in Rev. 8., where God's Wrath starts. 

Seal #7 prophesies about these two verses that MATCH.

Rev. 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days [Starts] shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 

So, Rev. 8:12 and Matt. 24:29 are both about the Middle of the 70th week Asteroid Impact which brings FIRES that burns 1/3 of the worlds trees and thus the Suns light get BLOTTED OUT by 1/3 or the sun is dimmed because of all the smoke. Vs. 29 however happens 126o days before vs. 30, which is the 2nd coming. Rev. 8 starts the 1260 days of God's Wrath. Rev. 6's Sixth Seal is FORETELLING what is soon to come (at that time).

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

But this notion you have of God's wrath being parallel to GT is contradictory to other scripture which states believers do not endure God's wrath. There are clearly believers in the GT, per Rev 7, "These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." And it therefore contradicts your own Pretrib position.

So one cannot, should not, conclude GT is the same as God's wrath. 

The Church does not endure God's Wrath and hence we are not here during any of the 70th week because our time (Time of the Gentiles) has come full. But remember the 5 Virgin Brides? They will be LOCKED OUT, the doors will be shut, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So, clearly since the Church is raptured pre trib. then those who get saved during the 70th week will endure this time period like everyone else.

The 1/3 is in the New World. The Old World will not be a part of the First Four Trumps per se, but the smoke will still darken the sun and moon. The Old World is where the Beasts Kingdom is at, they will receive the TARGETED PLAGUES that kill those who have taken the Mark of the Beast.

God casts Satan down to earth in Rev. 8:13. If one is confused on the raptures timing, as you guys are, then you are then confused on all the east timing tells also.

 

[Revelation Man]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

You get rebutted all the time. You also ignore it every time.

On 12/13/2024 at 10:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

With zero facts, but the truth is the reason you all quit rebutting is I always bring the receipts. I show with scriptures why you are in error, and that can not be overcome, so you guys now mostly just play dodge ball. 

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

You literally just posted the ones who face the wrath of the dragon are the ones who hold to the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. These are on earth and are facing the  worst persecution ever. You find it, read it, post it, then deny it. 

How interesting. 

YESSSS Because they are the Gentiles that come to Christ Jesus after the Rapture, I can not figure out if people are actually that bad at seeing timelines or if their preconceived notions blind them unto these truths. So, who would you call those Christians who come to Jesus AFTER the Rapture, ASSUMING...........(For your sake only) the Church was Raptured Pte Trib. ? The REMNANT !! And that somehow confuses you? Those who miss the Wedding will be LOCKED OUTM and its a 7 day (7 year) event. Why do you think Jesus mentions only 5 of the Virgins make the Wedding? 

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yeah? So what? I don't contend they are.

On 12/13/2024 at 10:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

Well IT MATTERS.........Think it through why would the Gentile Christian Church on earth be called a REMNANT? Because a Pre Trib. Rapture has taken the Church to Heaven to marry the Lamb.

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

And once again you contradict your own testimony of the pretrib fantasy. You say, Pretrib is the truth because believers do not endure the wrath of God, then you also place believers in what you claim is the wrath of God. 

Remember? You said God's wrath and GT are the same and run parallel. 

No, that comes FROM YOU, I never stated, EVER STATED that those saved in the 70th week are not living during the Greatest Ever Troubles. I state what Jesus/Paul states, the Wrath of God is NOT  and WAS NOT ever INTENDED for the Church, but those who miss the Wedding call, the doors will be locked, and there will be Weeping and Gnashing of teeth. He's talking about the 5 Virgin Bride who miss the Pre Trib. Rapture my friend. You just ASSUMED that is what I thought, because you can not separate those Raptured Pre Trib. and those who come to Christ during the 70th week.

The Wrath of God starts at the 1260, and that is when Satan is also cast to earth, see Rev. 8, it tells us that the Stars are cast to the ground, and a SHAKING has gone on in the Heavens, Satan is cast down, that why he chases the Woman/Israel for 1260 days in Revelation 12. At that very point either God allows the Anti-Christ to go forth conquering, or its Satan's strategy, after all I think Apophis will take out the New World and the United States, so thus the Anti-Christs plans are made easier.

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

Hung up and that remnant thing like it's the clue that crack the case wide open. The problem is you still have believers enduring the wrath of God. This contradicts the testimony of the Spirit, Jesus, Paul and God our Father. 

On 12/13/2024 at 10:24 AM, Revelation Man said:

It is no problem, that just a problem in your mind THIS IS WHY, Jesus tells the Church we MUST BE READY, anyone who comes unto Christ after the Rapture must endure until death. These SAME CLUES that shape your opinion is why your opinion is in error. 

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

No mention of harvest in the Olivet Discourse. Even if it can be construed the gathering is the harvest, I concur, Jesus never says to look to the harvests for insight to the end of the age, He says to look for all the things He just said, and none are ancient ways, rituals, traditions or shadows and types.

Sure it is, the Harvest is happening when Jesus returns, he returns in Matt. 24:30-31. He returns Pre Trib. in Matt. 24:36-51 for the Church. So, call it whatever you must brother, but Jesus taking his Church to heaven to wed us is a Harvesting of Souls.

[JoeCanada]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Church does not endure God's Wrath and hence we are not here during any of the 70th week because our time (Time of the Gentiles) has come full.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

the Harvest is happening when Jesus returns, he returns in Matt. 24:30-31. He returns Pre Trib. in Matt. 24:36-51 for the Church. So, call it whatever you must brother, but Jesus taking his Church to heaven to wed us is a Harvesting of Souls.

It has been pointed out that there are certain times when a harvest, ie reaping, can take place and a time when it cannot take place. 

It cannot take place during a Sabbath, or a Jubilee. 

In the OT, God lays out the structure of a week. 

Six days a man must work, sewing and reaping, but on the seventh day he must rest, for it is a Sabbath unto the Lord God.

So, there can be no reaping on a Sabbath  day.... or Sabbath year. 

Pretrib would like to alter that by claiming a harvest of souls prior to the 70th week. Well, that can't happen according to God's Law, because the year BEFORE the 70th week is a Sabbath year.

So, according to your interpretation, your view, in which you say " The Church does not endure God's Wrath and hence we are not here during any of the 70th week"  the pretrib would have to have a resurrection and rapture of souls a full year prior to the 70th week. Even if I did believe in a pretrib resurrection/rapture, I would have to argue that this harvest cannot happen as is believed by the pretribbers.

[Luther]

On 11/9/2024 at 10:31 AM, Diaste said:

A prophetic obfuscation exists in equating God's wrath with 'great tribulation, such as was not nor even will be'.

One doctrine claims the 'Tribulations Period' of 7 years is all God's wrath ergo, the rapture must occur before the beginning of the 70th Week.

When Jesus is telling us of this time He says, "all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory".

They weren't mourning before, while already being in the wrath of God? Maybe they didn't know they were experiencing the wrath of God. 

The 6th Seal shows us the wrath of God:

15Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

Is there any way to determine when this wrath would take place? Would this be the beginning of the 70th week? The Midpoint? The very end?

There is a way.

This is the opening of the 6th Seal:

And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind.

This is the Olivet Discourse:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Taking just the event and comparing [Rev 7 in black, Olivet Discourse in red]:

"the sun became black "

"The sun will be darkened,"

" the whole moon turned blood red"

"the moon will not give its light;"

"the stars of the sky fell to the earth"

"the stars will fall from the sky"

"every mountain and island was moved from its place."

"the powers of the heavens will be shaken"

And as Jesus says, this is after the A of D[midpoint of the week] and after the tribulation of those days; which is after the A of D. 

Therefore, God's wrath does not begin at the onset of the 70th week, but only sometime after the midpoint of the week.

 

The great tribulation is more spiritual in nature :

Matthew 24:11,21,24

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

[21]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

[24]For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The wrath of God is judgment day. The powers of the heavens will be shaken, Christ will come with fire , with fervent heat:

Isaiah 13:6-13

Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

[7]Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

[8]And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

[9]Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

[10]For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

[11]And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

[12]I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

[13]Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

We will be here until the end:

Matthew 24:13

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[JoeCanada]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Wrath of God starts at the 1260, and that is when Satan is also cast to earth

If a person looks at Rev 12: ...

"And there was war in heaven ... and the great dragon was thrown down to the earth...

"Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing  that he has only a short time"

It says that Satan has great wrath. 

It is Satan who persecutes the woman......  in his great wrath.

It is Satan, who in his great wrath, persecutes and makes war with the saints and overcomes them.

When God's wrath begins, Satan's wrath will be greatly diminished. Satan's  wrath consists of torture, terror, beheadings, persecution, rape, pillaging.... and the like.

God's Wrath consists of supernatural plagues ...

It begins with fire and brimstone ... "But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men" ...  2 Pet 3:17

And ends with the greatest earthquake ever, flattening all the high places, the mountains were not found, and the islands fled away ...  and the greatest hailstorm ever, with 100 pound hailstones pulverizing whatever remains.... Rev 16:17

Isaiah tells us that ....  GOD ALONE WILL BE EXALTED IN THAT DAY ...

It is HIS day,  The DAY OF THE LORD ... God will not share it with a creature 

"Step aside worm .... it is  MY DAY ... I ALONE WILL BE GLORIFIED"

Isa 2:11 ... "The proud look of man will be abased
And the loftiness of man will be humbled,
And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day."

Isa 2:17 ... "The pride of man will be humbled
And the loftiness of men will be abased;
And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day"

Isa 5:16... "But the LORD of hosts will be exalted in judgment,
And the holy God will show Himself holy in righteousness."

 

[Revelation Man]

30 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Pretrib would like to alter that by claiming a harvest of souls prior to the 70th week. Well, that can't happen according to God's Law, because the year BEFORE the 70th week is a Sabbath year.

He's all mixed up again. (Country Hit Song )

1.) You would have to know the 70th weeks start date to know this

2.) Jesus/God made the Laws of Moses for Israel, the Church is under Grace, not any Law. God doesn't need the Law mankind did or should I say Israel did, it was used to teach them why they were not doing God's full will basically. 

As per the design by God of the 7 Feast Cycles, I buy that because I can see Jesus has already fulfilled the Spring Feasts, we are now in the Summer Harvest saving and harvesting souls for God and Jesus is the head & we are the body. The Fall Feast comes  in the Feast of Trumps BEFORE Israel repents or atones (Feast of Atonement) and thus Israel must repent before God's Wrath falls. 

39 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

So, according to your interpretation, your view, in which you say " The Church does not endure God's Wrath and hence we are not here during any of the 70th week"  the pretrib would have to have a resurrection and rapture of souls a full year prior to the 70th week. Even if I did believe in a pretrib resurrection/rapture, I would have to argue that this harvest cannot happen as is believed by the pretribbers.

The 70th week needs no such thing. Also, God and Jesus along with His church is bound by no laws of Moses. The Feast of Trumps will see the Rapture, before the 7oth week starts. 

[JoeCanada]

7 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

48 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Pretrib would like to alter that by claiming a harvest of souls prior to the 70th week. Well, that can't happen according to God's Law, because the year BEFORE the 70th week is a Sabbath year.

He's all mixed up again. (Country Hit Song )

1.) You would have to know the 70th weeks start date to know this

2.) Jesus/God made the Laws of Moses for Israel, the Church is under Grace, not any Law. God doesn't need the Law mankind did or should I say Israel did, it was used to teach them why they were not doing God's full will basically. 

As per the design by God of the 7 Feast Cycles, I buy that because I can see Jesus has already fulfilled the Spring Feasts, we are now in the Summer Harvest saving and harvesting souls for God and Jesus is the head & we are the body. The Fall Feast comes  in the Feast of Trumps BEFORE Israel repents or atones (Feast of Atonement) and thus Israel must repent before God's Wrath falls. 

48 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

So, according to your interpretation, your view, in which you say " The Church does not endure God's Wrath and hence we are not here during any of the 70th week"  the pretrib would have to have a resurrection and rapture of souls a full year prior to the 70th week. Even if I did believe in a pretrib resurrection/rapture, I would have to argue that this harvest cannot happen as is believed by the pretribbers.

The 70th week needs no such thing. Also, God and Jesus along with His church is bound by no laws of Moses. The Feast of Trumps will see the Rapture, before the 7oth week starts. 

Okay then .... now I clearly know where you stand.

According to you, God CAN break His own Laws ... Laws that He established for all time.

Pick and choose according to what you want/need to make a story valid. Works every time!