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First and foremost, only the born again in Christ will inherit the kingdom of God. 

You either are, or you are not born again. There is no 'half-way there', no 'on the fence', no 'I think I am'.  If you are born again, you know you are born again. 

Jesus answered and said unto Nicodemus:  "Amen, amen, I say unto you, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."  (John 3:3).

We are born again when God the Holy Spirit moves in our spirit and brings our spirit into a right relationship with God, which is when we begin to be led by the Spirit and become children of God. (Romans 8:14).

As soon as we are born again we are in Christ, and Christ is in us, which means we are no longer carnally minded and walk after the flesh or mind the things of the flesh, but we walk after the Spirit and mind the things of the Spirit. (Romans 8:1).

Those that call themselves "Christians", yet continue to walk after the flesh and mind the things of the flesh, are still spiritually dead. (Romans 8:6). 

So-called "Christians" who walk after the flesh and mind the things of the flesh have a carnal mind, which is enmity against God. (Romans 8:7).  Those that are carnally minded are not regenerated by the Holy Spirit and don't have the indwelling Christ, and therefore cannot please God. (Romans 8:8). 

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ... and they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God":

Adultery 

Fornication 

Morally corrupt

Lasciviousness

Idolatry 

Witchcraft 

Hatred 

Variance

Emulations

Wrath

Strife

Seditious 

Heresies

Envyings

Murders 

Drunkenness 

Revealing (Galatians 5:19-21).

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither

Fornicatiors

Idolaters 

Adulterers

Effeminate

Abusers of themselves with mankind

Thieves 

Covetous 

Drunkards

Revilers 

Nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."  (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

If you are born again, then the next verse is a big relief:  "And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:11).

If you say you are, or think you are, born again and saved, yet you are carnally minded, walking after and minding the things of the flesh as opposed to the Spirit, you need to cry out to God to save you and regenerate your spirit.  Time is running out.  I pray you are saved. In Jesus's mighty holy holy holy and precious name. Amen amen. 🙏 

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5 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

First and foremost, only the born again in Christ will inherit the kingdom of God. 

You either are, or you are not born again. There is no 'half-way there', no 'on the fence', no 'I think I am'.  If you are born again, you know you are born again. 

Jesus answered and said unto Nicodemus:  "Amen, amen, I say unto you, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."  (John 3:3).

We are born again when God the Holy Spirit moves in our spirit and brings our spirit into a right relationship with God, which is when we begin to be led by the Spirit and become children of God. (Romans 8:14).

As soon as we are born again we are in Christ, and Christ is in us, which means we are no longer carnally minded and walk after the flesh or mind the things of the flesh, but we walk after the Spirit and mind the things of the Spirit. (Romans 8:1).

Those that call themselves "Christians", yet continue to walk after the flesh and mind the things of the flesh, are still spiritually dead. (Romans 8:6). 

So-called "Christians" who walk after the flesh and mind the things of the flesh have a carnal mind, which is enmity against God. (Romans 8:7).  Those that are carnally minded are not regenerated by the Holy Spirit and don't have the indwelling Christ, and therefore cannot please God. (Romans 8:8). 

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ... and they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God":

Adultery 

Fornication 

Morally corrupt

Lasciviousness

Idolatry 

Witchcraft 

Hatred 

Variance

Emulations

Wrath

Strife

Seditious 

Heresies

Envyings

Murders 

Drunkenness 

Revealing (Galatians 5:19-21).

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither

Fornicatiors

Idolaters 

Adulterers

Effeminate

Abusers of themselves with mankind

Thieves 

Covetous 

Drunkards

Revilers 

Nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."  (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

If you are born again, then the next verse is a big relief:  "And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:11).

If you say you are, or think you are, born again and saved, yet you are carnally minded, walking after and minding the things of the flesh as opposed to the Spirit, you need to cry out to God to save you and regenerate your spirit.  Time is running out.  I pray you are saved. In Jesus's mighty holy holy holy and precious name. Amen amen. 🙏 

There are a lot of counterfeit Christians out there. Either you follow Jesus Christ or you follow Satan. The luke warm Christian will not enter heaven.

Revelation 3:14-16

 “And to the [a]angel of the church [b]of the Laodiceans write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither [c]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

 

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7 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

If you say you are, or think you are, born again and saved, yet you are carnally minded, walking after and minding the things of the flesh as opposed to the Spirit, you need to cry out to God to save you and regenerate your spirit.  Time is running out.  I pray you are saved. In Jesus's mighty holy holy holy and precious name. Amen amen. 🙏 

Agreed.  Its not what you think or who you say you are but who you actually are, you are known by your fruit.  There are many who think they are Christian but its not who they really are because they do not produce the true fruits of a repentant born again life.  Yes, they may go to a church but they do not produce the God kind of fruit associated with being born again, sadly many of them are pastors and elders in churches; blind leading the blind.  They profess to know him but in their actions deny him. These people have never fully repented and fully committed their all to God but fell back into their old sinful ways and have never experienced the true spiritual resurrection of being born again. 

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14 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

First and foremost, only the born again in Christ will inherit the kingdom of God. 

You either are, or you are not born again. There is no 'half-way there', no 'on the fence', no 'I think I am'.  If you are born again, you know you are born again. 

Jesus answered and said unto Nicodemus:  "Amen, amen, I say unto you, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."  (John 3:3).

We are born again when God the Holy Spirit moves in our spirit and brings our spirit into a right relationship with God, which is when we begin to be led by the Spirit and become children of God. (Romans 8:14).

As soon as we are born again we are in Christ, and Christ is in us, which means we are no longer carnally minded and walk after the flesh or mind the things of the flesh, but we walk after the Spirit and mind the things of the Spirit. (Romans 8:1).

Those that call themselves "Christians", yet continue to walk after the flesh and mind the things of the flesh, are still spiritually dead. (Romans 8:6). 

So-called "Christians" who walk after the flesh and mind the things of the flesh have a carnal mind, which is enmity against God. (Romans 8:7).  Those that are carnally minded are not regenerated by the Holy Spirit and don't have the indwelling Christ, and therefore cannot please God. (Romans 8:8). 

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ... and they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God":

Adultery 

Fornication 

Morally corrupt

Lasciviousness

Idolatry 

Witchcraft 

Hatred 

Variance

Emulations

Wrath

Strife

Seditious 

Heresies

Envyings

Murders 

Drunkenness 

Revealing (Galatians 5:19-21).

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither

Fornicatiors

Idolaters 

Adulterers

Effeminate

Abusers of themselves with mankind

Thieves 

Covetous 

Drunkards

Revilers 

Nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."  (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

If you are born again, then the next verse is a big relief:  "And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:11).

If you say you are, or think you are, born again and saved, yet you are carnally minded, walking after and minding the things of the flesh as opposed to the Spirit, you need to cry out to God to save you and regenerate your spirit.  Time is running out.  I pray you are saved. In Jesus's mighty holy holy holy and precious name. Amen amen. 🙏 

 

9 hours ago, missmuffet said:

There are a lot of counterfeit Christians out there. Either you follow Jesus Christ or you follow Satan. The luke warm Christian will not enter heaven.

Revelation 3:14-16

 “And to the [a]angel of the church [b]of the Laodiceans write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither [c]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

 

 

7 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Agreed.  Its not what you think or who you say you are but who you actually are, you are known by your fruit.  There are many who think they are Christian but its not who they really are because they do not produce the true fruits of a repentant born again life.  Yes, they may go to a church but they do not produce the God kind of fruit associated with being born again, sadly many of them are pastors and elders in churches; blind leading the blind.  They profess to know him but in their actions deny him. These people have never fully repented and fully committed their all to God but fell back into their old sinful ways and have never experienced the true spiritual resurrection of being born again. 

Hi my friends and brethren.

I would like to differ, and I will show it from scripture. But first I would like to agree that there are counterfeit Christians and also admit that some of them live good moral lives.

Next, I would like to define the Kingdom. The Kingdom that our Lord Jesus spoke of is that Kingdom when God's people are ruling on earth and applying heavenly principles of God on earth. Jesus prayed, not to go to heaven, but that God's will would be done on earth. Rebirth is to get the nature and life of God into the spirit of man so that he (the man) will feel, think and at like God in his ruling.

I will differ with the three above saints with two examples from scripture.

Seeing as counterfeit Christians were used, I will use the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares from Matthew 13. If one reads carefully you will see that the Tares are dealt with first. They are known by their fruit, and their fruit is an issue of the seed they came form. During the growing season they look just like Wheat. Then, when they bear fruit it is a stiff upright, black, spiny and poisonous. There is no chance for mistakes. In Genesis 1:11-12 God has set a Law that any creature having its seed within itself will produce a crop of the same. Jesus explains that they are children of the wicked one and in verse 40 thy are gathered by angels and burned. That ends the Tares. As verse 41 begins there are no more Tares.

Then, with no Tares around, Christ turns to His KINGDOM. And in it are GOOD and BAD. In His Kingdom are things that OFFEND and that DO INIQUITY. They could not be IN His Kingdom unless they were born again. I propose that born again Christians can commit sin, and lots of it, ans serious sin.

This brings me to my second example. In 1st Corinthians 5 a "BOTHER" commits sin worthy of death. The purpose of death is so that his spirit might be saved. Every sin is dome outside the body, but sexual sins are done inside the body. That is, God dwells in the spirit of man (Jn.3:6, 4:24) and such a sin threatens His holiness. But the issue is that a man cannot be called a "brother" unless he has the same father. That is, the incestuous brother in 1st Corinthians 5 was BORN of the same FATHER. This makes him a brother in the Lord and a CHRISTIAN. He was committing a sin that not even the heathen committed.

In 1st Corinthians 10:1-11 the Holy Spirit says that we must learn form Israel. Israel is our Pattern. Israel wer saved from death by the Lamb. We are saved by the Lamb of God (Jn.1:29). We have, like Israel was, been baptized. We, like Israel ave set off on a journey for a kingdom. Israel's inheritance was the Good Land and our inheritance is the whole world (Rom.4:13). 2 out of 600,000 fighting men made it. The rest, including Moses, did not make it into the kingdom of Israel. They had the same father - Abraham. We have the same Father - Jehovah. Both were saved from the angel of death. Both are under the same Covenant (Gal.3:28-29). Both can sin and fail to enter their inheritance.

I propose that real, born again Christians can sin badly and be refused entry in the Kingdom when Christ returns and sets it up on earth.

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A thought provoking post, AdHoc. Perhaps certain sins clearly demonstrate the sinners lack of commitment to the Kingdom of God?

Rev.19:8, (ESV) 

8it was granted her to clothe herself
with fine linen, bright and pure”—

for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

Perhaps being naked is unacceptable?


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2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

 

 

Hi my friends and brethren.

I would like to differ, and I will show it from scripture. But first I would like to agree that there are counterfeit Christians and also admit that some of them live good moral lives.

Next, I would like to define the Kingdom. The Kingdom that our Lord Jesus spoke of is that Kingdom when God's people are ruling on earth and applying heavenly principles of God on earth. Jesus prayed, not to go to heaven, but that God's will would be done on earth. Rebirth is to get the nature and life of God into the spirit of man so that he (the man) will feel, think and at like God in his ruling.

I will differ with the three above saints with two examples from scripture.

Seeing as counterfeit Christians were used, I will use the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares from Matthew 13. If one reads carefully you will see that the Tares are dealt with first. They are known by their fruit, and their fruit is an issue of the seed they came form. During the growing season they look just like Wheat. Then, when they bear fruit it is a stiff upright, black, spiny and poisonous. There is no chance for mistakes. In Genesis 1:11-12 God has set a Law that any creature having its seed within itself will produce a crop of the same. Jesus explains that they are children of the wicked one and in verse 40 thy are gathered by angels and burned. That ends the Tares. As verse 41 begins there are no more Tares.

Then, with no Tares around, Christ turns to His KINGDOM. And in it are GOOD and BAD. In His Kingdom are things that OFFEND and that DO INIQUITY. They could not be IN His Kingdom unless they were born again. I propose that born again Christians can commit sin, and lots of it, ans serious sin.

This brings me to my second example. In 1st Corinthians 5 a "BOTHER" commits sin worthy of death. The purpose of death is so that his spirit might be saved. Every sin is dome outside the body, but sexual sins are done inside the body. That is, God dwells in the spirit of man (Jn.3:6, 4:24) and such a sin threatens His holiness. But the issue is that a man cannot be called a "brother" unless he has the same father. That is, the incestuous brother in 1st Corinthians 5 was BORN of the same FATHER. This makes him a brother in the Lord and a CHRISTIAN. He was committing a sin that not even the heathen committed.

In 1st Corinthians 10:1-11 the Holy Spirit says that we must learn form Israel. Israel is our Pattern. Israel wer saved from death by the Lamb. We are saved by the Lamb of God (Jn.1:29). We have, like Israel was, been baptized. We, like Israel ave set off on a journey for a kingdom. Israel's inheritance was the Good Land and our inheritance is the whole world (Rom.4:13). 2 out of 600,000 fighting men made it. The rest, including Moses, did not make it into the kingdom of Israel. They had the same father - Abraham. We have the same Father - Jehovah. Both were saved from the angel of death. Both are under the same Covenant (Gal.3:28-29). Both can sin and fail to enter their inheritance.

I propose that real, born again Christians can sin badly and be refused entry in the Kingdom when Christ returns and sets it up on earth.

If I recall correctly, we both believe the prerequisite to enter the Kingdom age (millennium) is being born again (saved – a Christian). The tares and goats will be dealt with at the second Advent, the sheep and goat judgment, along with those who survived that took the M.O.B.

Your proposal confuses me on the status and whereabouts of those born-again Christians denied entry into the kingdom. Would you further elaborate on your thoughts on where they are and what they are doing?

I can see a complete loss of rewards, responsibility, and positional authority in the millennium. But not taken outside the geographical kingdom area to be disciplined, receive stripes, and be punished into maturity, as I recall from a previous discussion.

In the 2nd millennial generation, there will be those who inwardly will oppose Christ's rule and reign and not accept Him—those whom excessively sin will physically die as babies at 100 years old. Will faith and maturity be different for everyone as they are now?

Luke 12:47-48 And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

The above is exceptionally severe corporal punishment. There are not several classes of Christians; the issue is not Soteriology but faithfulness. The principle is that the more one knows, the greater his or her responsibility and accountability (Pharisees, Sadducees, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, etc.). I relate the above verses to the Pharisees, leaders, and those who know the truth and their Master's will and disobey.

I propose these stripes are part of the punishment and torment in Hell, I do believe. We Christians are subject to the Bema Seat, with receiving rewards, or lack thereof. Not sentenced to remedial training, corporal punishment, and a maturity camp submission.

Likewise, at the Resurrection / Rapture, when we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, I can see no distinction or selection of the mature enough or those who squandered away like the Prodigal Son. Will the same standard apply to OT saints at their Resurrection?

Engaging and enlightening discussion, Mr. AdHoc. 


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1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

I propose that born again Christians can commit sin, and lots of it, ans serious sin.

Thank you for your reply.  Kindly consider my response.

The truly born again retains his sin nature and may backslide and sin, but he will hate his sin, regret his sin, be remorseful of his sin, and will repent of his sin because he has the conviction and quickening of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

The carnal man, the man who might claim to be in Christ but continues to walk in the flesh minding the things of the flesh and minding nothing spiritual, will carry-on in sin with impunity because he has not been quickened by, nor does he have the conviction of, the indwelling Holy Spirit.

The OP addresses the carnal man who claims to be "Christian", yet shows absolutely no change in direction or devotion, but rather continues to be as he has always been: in his pursuit of hedonism. This is that which the OP addresses. 

 

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Next, I would like to define the Kingdom. The Kingdom that our Lord Jesus spoke of is that Kingdom when God's people are ruling on earth and applying heavenly principles of God on earth.

Yes. God is already ruling and reigning on earth in and through the saints.  The "real born again Christian" knows his King, and the King knows him because the King indwells him via the Holy Spirit.

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

I propose that real, born again Christians can sin badly and be refused entry in the Kingdom when Christ returns and sets it up on earth.

Brother, "real, born again Christians" can and do sin, but we are "established ... in Christ" by God (2 Cor. 1:21), "who has also sealed us, and given us the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts" (2 Cor. 1:22), so that we are now "sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritence until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:13-14). 

"Real, born again Christians" are "sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ."  Jude :1

Therefore, as our Lord Jesus has assured by promise to all that are born again in Him, He says, "I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.  My Father which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.  I and My Father are one."  (John 10:28-30).

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

The rest, including Moses, did not make it into the kingdom of Israel.

Moses did not enter the promised land (Deuter. 32:48-52), but Moses surely is in the Kingdom. (Matthew 17; Mark 9; Hebrews 11).  

 

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2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

If I recall correctly, we both believe the prerequisite to enter the Kingdom age (millennium) is being born again (saved – a Christian). The tares and goats will be dealt with at the second Advent, the sheep and goat judgment, along with those who survived that took the M.O.B.

Your proposal confuses me on the status and whereabouts of those born-again Christians denied entry into the kingdom. Would you further elaborate on your thoughts on where they are and what they are doing?

I can see a complete loss of rewards, responsibility, and positional authority in the millennium. But not taken outside the geographical kingdom area to be disciplined, receive stripes, and be punished into maturity, as I recall from a previous discussion.

In the 2nd millennial generation, there will be those who inwardly will oppose Christ's rule and reign and not accept Him—those whom excessively sin will physically die as babies at 100 years old. Will faith and maturity be different for everyone as they are now?

Luke 12:47-48 And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

The above is exceptionally severe corporal punishment. There are not several classes of Christians; the issue is not Soteriology but faithfulness. The principle is that the more one knows, the greater his or her responsibility and accountability (Pharisees, Sadducees, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, etc.). I relate the above verses to the Pharisees, leaders, and those who know the truth and their Master's will and disobey.

I propose these stripes are part of the punishment and torment in Hell, I do believe. We Christians are subject to the Bema Seat, with receiving rewards, or lack thereof. Not sentenced to remedial training, corporal punishment, and a maturity camp submission.

Likewise, at the Resurrection / Rapture, when we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, I can see no distinction or selection of the mature enough or those who squandered away like the Prodigal Son. Will the same standard apply to OT saints at their Resurrection?

Engaging and enlightening discussion, Mr. AdHoc. 

First, let me echo your last statement. It is a pleasure to swap ideas with you is both a gentleman and one who does not hold back a point of view. Refreshing.

Equally refreshing is your choice of Luke 12:47-48. Respectfully, I wish to show you points you might want o reconsider.

1. "THAT servant .... HIS Lord's will" cannot refer to a Pharisee and/or leader of the time.  They ruled - not served, and were leaders who gave orders, not received them. They occupied "Moses' Seat and the Lord bade His disciples to DO what they said. Nicodemus, chief of Pharisees never claimed Jesus as "HIS Lord". The Greek for "servant" is "duolos" denoting a "bond-servant" with no rights and the lowest on the servitude chain. That they knew Who Jesus was is not due to servitude, but the signs He did (Jn.3:2)

2. It is fully in keeping with God's track-record that He chastises grievously. Israel felt it with thousands of violent deaths for their iniquities. Since 2,700 years the Jews are dispersed and hounded. The tide of world opinion is washing against them this very moment. Great was the Father's affliction of His own Son Jesus for the sins of the world. And Ananias and Saphira, Alexander, the incestuous brother of 1st Corinthians 5 and the numbers who took the Lord's Table and died testify to a God Who makes learning lessons very clear.

3.Equally clear is the fact that God is a "restoring God". Israel's sad history is to be swallowed up in blessing for ever. He runs out to meet and embrace a wayward son who is covered in pig excreta  - with no thought of the son losing his sonship or position in the household.

Next, I do declare that the Lord very much shows "distinction of maturity" at the judgment Seat. (i) Our Lord Jesus is First Fruits and must show Himself in heaven to the Father as such (as the Wave Offering) in John 21:17. (ii) In Luke 21:35-36 those found to have "attained" stand before the Son of man and avoid the Tribulation predicted. Only those found worthy! (iii) In Revelation 14 the Firstfruits of men stand in the same place as the 24 Elders. They are "redeemed from among men" and redeemed from the earth. The implication is that the rest weren't. (iv) The firstfruits go into the Farmer's HOUSE. The general harvest into his BARN. But perhaps the greatest proof is the contrast between those who "stand" before a throne (NOT Bema) in Revelation Chapter 7. They have passed through the Great Tribulation in tears. The reason is given. Their garments needed to be washed. Not so those of Chapter 14. And what think ye, esteemed brother, is the reason for MULTIPLE harvests in Revelation 14?

Moses was eventually in the kingdom. But he must first lose his inheritance - the Good Land. Timed chastisement for an eternal position. We are dealing with a God Who slew 24,000 of His People - 23,000 being on the first day. I think we may well expect those who are not faithful to suffer for their gross infidelity.

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23 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I think we may well expect those who are not faithful to suffer for their gross infidelity.

As in the unfaithful servant in Matthew 25 - there definitely is accountability!  However, least we think too extreme of Him that He expects a lot, the ones that pleased Him in that same parable were "faithful in a few things."  So the bar is not set unreasonably high by any means.  Those who are simply faithful with a just few things He has given them, will be rewarded.  

The unfaithful servant erred in that he was afraid and hid his master's talent.  Much like how Adam & Eve were afraid and hid - it's what sin in the flesh does.  Yet Jesus says, "My yoke is easy and my burden is light."  Our loving and merciful God goes to the extremes for His children, and does His best to catch them doing things right, that is, being faithful and trusting in Him.  This is exhibited in Hebrews 11.  I consider this chapter to be like "snapshots of faith" that catch His children doing things right.  Was the bar set unreasonably high in this chapter in order for various ones to be mentioned?  I don't think so, as about everyone mentioned there blew it big time on at least one occasion (and most several).  Yet there's the snapshot in Hebrews 11, of them being faithful in a few things!

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3 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

The OP addresses the carnal man who claims to be "Christian", yet shows absolutely no change in direction or devotion, but rather continues to be as he has always been: in his pursuit of hedonism. This is that which the OP addresses. 

Brother, I salute you. You are fully correct. The OP was about those who call themselves Christians but who are not born again. I addressed a wider picture which was not truly an accurate response.

But, my fault aside, you did enter, with good arguments, the dispute as to whether a born again Christian can wallow in sin until he dies. I would be thankful if you would let me answer that. If you choose not to, I understand.

David is held high as both man and king. Jeremiah 30 predicts the recovery and restoration of Israel with Jerusalem. In verse 9 the prophet predicts that David will be king and second in command to Jesus. So David will be a king in the Kingdom. That means tha David is born again. His faith in God is undisputed. His faith in Jesus is undisputed when we read the Psalms. Yet this man did the following - all planned.
1. He coveted his neighbor's wife
2. He committed adultery with his neighbor's wife
3. He used his kingly position to betray a faithful general
4. He used his kingly position to murder his friend and fellow soldier
5. He used his kingly position to draw other men into conspiracy to commit murder
6. He multiplied wives to himself
6. His opinion was that such a man should die

Now, we all have our opinions as to the severity of David's lust, desire, cunning, disloyalty, treatment of a fellow soldier, his abuse of royal powers and how many Laws he broke - not counting his character as a back-stabber. Based on your posting, would you say that such a man is born again?

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