First Hours After America's Downfall

[tatwo]

11 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Just about the only way someone would be able to pull it off is if someone in our own government sold us out, and someone pretty high up.

I do agree with you here Patriot21...with one exception...this has already been done. We are already seeing the effects of this "selling out" at work in our nation today.

We will see continual attempts by the incoming administration...specifically some the cabinet members...at a further erosion of rights, liberties, and our economy as this new administration takes it place.

There are many "lifers" in the U.S. Government that are constantly moved into different rolls to assure continuity and that the "unseen authorities" remain undetected by the typical American citizen...while keeping everything on course...some of these are "very" high up...all the way to the top...beyond the President...for example the Chairman of the Fed.

Additionally... if you or anyone were to look into the affiliations of some of the "key" cabinet members that have been selected...you would begin to see the dark underbelly of a very evil creature. 

Were you appraised to the massive governmental land grab happening in America today Patriot21?

Tatwo...:)

[Vine Abider]

30 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Sure, but to do that they'd have to get close enough. Not many countries have the capability to do that, and of those that do, the US keeps a very very sharp eye on, to the point even a halfway competent military general could stop such an attack easily. Just about the only way someone would be able to pull it off is if someone in our own government sold us out, and someone pretty high up.

Add into that, they'd have to have to be pretty suicidal. With our fleet of nuclear subs, any attack on us is sure to be met with immediate and lethal, response.

And let's not forget, to date the US is the only nation in the world that has actually used a nuclear weapon in combat. So we're the only ones that everyone can know for sure aren't bluffing.

It's like poking a sleeping grizzly. You can know for certain that it's going to come after you. And you'd better be big enough and strong enough to take it, or your going to be wiped out of existence. 

You got a smaller country like Iran, or even the Ukraine, it's like poking a badger. Sure it's gonna fight back, and it's likely to hurt but your probably going to survive, even come out on top. But it's usually not a good idea for the badger to poke the bear, and in the wild, they rarely do.

So even an old Scud has over a 150 mile range with over 30 miles altitude, but let's hope there are measures in place to prevent such things!   (And the promise of an instant 72 virgins would bring out numerous fanatics who would step up . . . )

[tatwo]

4 hours ago, Alive said:

Its my opinion and what I have said for years, is the one sin that is responsible…abortion. Abortion given the stamp of approval institutionally by government and by extension, the People.

It is quite literally, molech worship and enthusiastically celebrated in our streets.

In pointing out "molech worship"...I believe you have shown the worship of the dragon and his beast as the sin of America...abortion is one of the most abhorrent sacrifices in the worship of Satan. 

There are many...the abortion of her children is a legacy America will never outrun...the blood stain is permanently in her fabric...however...in terms of human sacrifice and suffering...many who know...testify that human trafficking is also a primary worship of the dragon in America as well...and it makes sense.

What we will increasingly experience as the days weeks and months wear on here in America...and this is due to the continued worship of the beast...will be sickness, unheard of treachery, famine that few have ever seen in America...a predatory debauchery that is hard to grasp for most and a poverty that is unfathomable to modern America.

In fact without revelation from the Lord it cannot be understood for what it is...and American's will either choose to roll along with it...or they will be forced into it without option.

Sounds horrible I realize that...however we must remember that the Kingdom of God is not of this world...it is a Kingdom unto itself with the almighty as its King. Its an invisible spiritual Kingdom that is also eternal in authority and power and will never be subservient to the dragon, his beast, the lawless one or his harlot.

The Kingdom of God's economy...is based in the love that our Father has for His son...in whom He is well pleased. Our identity is in our Father and our provision and protection is the same...we are His inheritance...and He is ours. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God...so this old bag of bones must surrender at some point anyways...

Having said that...judgment against America and world is another way of saying that Lord Yahshua is simply making way for the coming and fulfillment of His Kingdom on earth.

Tatwo...:)      

[Alive]

12 minutes ago, tatwo said:

In pointing out "molech worship"...I believe you have shown the worship of the dragon and his beast as the sin of America...abortion is one of the most abhorrent sacrifices in the worship of Satan. 

There are many...the abortion of her children is a legacy America will never outrun...the blood stain is permanently in her fabric...however...in terms of human sacrifice and suffering...many who know...testify that human trafficking is also a primary worship of the dragon in America as well...and it makes sense.

What we will increasingly experience as the days weeks and months wear on here in America...and this is due to the continued worship of the beast...will be sickness, unheard of treachery, famine that few have ever seen in America...a predatory debauchery that is hard to grasp for most and a poverty that is unfathomable to modern America.

In fact without revelation from the Lord it cannot be understood for what it is...and American's will either choose to roll along with it...or they will be forced into it without option.

Sounds horrible I realize that...however we must remember that the Kingdom of God is not of this world...it is a Kingdom unto itself with the almighty as its King. Its an invisible spiritual Kingdom that is also eternal in authority and power and will never be subservient to the dragon, his beast, the lawless one or his harlot.

The Kingdom of God's economy...is based in the love that our Father has for His son...in whom He is well pleased. Our identity is in our Father and our provision and protection is the same...we are His inheritance...and He is ours. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God...so this old bag of bones must surrender at some point anyways...

Having said that...judgment against America and world is another way of saying that Lord Yahshua is simply making way for the coming and fulfillment of His Kingdom on earth.

Tatwo...:)      

I make no connection to what is happening in the USA and eschatology.

And I see no profit in comparing the news to my Bible. I have been seeing this for 50 years and all the prognosticating and imagining has reaped nothing of value--as I see it.

What I do see is the spirit of anti-christ at work as it always has.

I look for the Lord's Return and that is pretty much it.

[tatwo]

3 hours ago, Alive said:

I make no connection to what is happening in the USA and eschatology.

Ok…so were you called by God according to His ordained desire for you…at the specific time He chose…in the specific location He chose…USA I presume…and yet you don’t make a connection between where your Father put you as His child…the one He intends to mature and live through…and the nation He put you in…at the end of the age…or perhaps you don’t see these connections either?

3 hours ago, Alive said:

And I see no profit in comparing the news to my Bible. I have been seeing this for 50 years and all the prognosticating and imagining has reaped nothing of value--as I see it.

I do not compare the news to the Bible either…but rather…I am called to deconstruct the prophetic scriptures as they apply to the day in which I live…this with the help of the Holy Spirit as He reveals His will to me for our day and age…just like He has done for those He has “called” to this…in all the epochs of man in the past.

First He reveals His will to me for my work in His Kingdom here on earth. It is from that light upon the throne of God from where I dwell in Christ…which is illuminated by the “seven lamps of fire” also known as the “seven Spirits of God.”

Since creation rolls out according to His plan exactly…a plan He knew the end of…from before the beginning. He is a loving Father…I am His son…the Father loves the son and shows His him His plans for His him. He is teaching me how to understand and discern His will in the earth and He is showing me the schemes of the dragon as well.

So…Alive…after all these years I have learned at least to some degree…and growing...to discern the “good and evil” that is playing out in and around my life…in the two invisible spiritual realities running parallel my sojourn here on the earth for the time that I am here in this body of flesh.

I can clearly see the work of God…His Kingdom here on earth…and the enemy of God…the dragon and his cohorts…and this to an increasing level as I mature and move through time.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

3 hours ago, Alive said:

What I do see is the spirit of anti-christ at work as it always has.

Sure its characteristics are the same…but as the ages pass anti-christ’s impact or effect is growing. Its objective is global in scope…and it is moving more rapidly in that direction.

3 hours ago, Alive said:

I look for the Lord's Return and that is pretty much it.

Referencing the secret pre-tribulation rapture of the saints to heaven for a celebration while everything gets crazy down here on earth…right?

That may prove to be a very difficult journey friend…

May I ask you Alive…being His workmanship…created in Christ Yahshua for good works that God prepared beforehand for you to walk in…have you been reconciled to your eternal divine intention according to His will for you and are you accomplishing His works?

If so...perhaps you might share?

Tatwo...:)

Edited January 14 by tatwo

[The_Patriot21]

5 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

So even an old Scud has over a 150 mile range with over 30 miles altitude, but let's hope there are measures in place to prevent such things!   (And the promise of an instant 72 virgins would bring out numerous fanatics who would step up . . . )

Indeed....but when were talking oceans 150 miles isnt really that far away. Add into that, any shop large enough to handle a missile of that size would have to be heavily modified, making them easy to spot, and easy to torpedo by any of the many nuclear subs we have crisscrossing both oceans at any given day. I have a friend who was a navigator on one such sub for many years, according to him, it's very hard to get across the ocean on a ship of that magnitude without being spotted by at least one sub.

And they probably could modify it to escape detection, but most countries with the money and capabilities to do that, are likely to have access to far better missiles, and wouldn't need to snuggle it across the ocean.

And assuming they did....the minute they started to launch, America would know, and a lot of those submarines patrolling our costs have the ability to shoot down scud missiles, so it's iffy if they could succeed.

And...face it, most of your players that hate us like Iran and China aren't going to attack us directly, because it's mutually assured destruction. It's far more sound for them to attack us economically then via WMD.

And they're also smart enough not to hand a WMD to a smaller terrorist cell, as time has shown them to be.... unreliable at best and just as likely to use them on thr giver as not.

[tatwo]

4 hours ago, Alive said:

I make no connection to what is happening in the USA and eschatology.

Ok…so were you called by God according to His ordained desire for you…at the specific time He chose…in the specific location He chose…USA I presume…and yet you don’t make a connection between where your Father put you as His child…the one He intends to mature and live through…and the nation He put you in…at the end of the age…or perhaps you don’t see these connections either?

4 hours ago, Alive said:

And I see no profit in comparing the news to my Bible. I have been seeing this for 50 years and all the prognosticating and imagining has reaped nothing of value--as I see it.

I do not compare the news to the Bible either…but rather…I am called to deconstruct the prophetic scriptures as they apply to the day in which I live…this with the help of the Holy Spirit as He reveals His will to me for our day and age…just like He has done for those He has “called” to this…in all the epochs of man in the past.

First He reveals His will to me for my work in His Kingdom here on earth. It is from that light upon the throne of God from where I dwell in Christ…which is illuminated by the “seven lamps of fire” also known as the “seven Spirits of God.”

Since creation rolls out according to His plan exactly…a plan He knew the end of…from before the beginning. He is a loving Father…I am His son…the Father loves the son and shows His him His plans for His him. He is teaching me how to understand and discern His will in the earth and He is showing me the schemes of the dragon as well.

So…Alive…after all these years I have learned at least to some degree…and growing...to discern the “good and evil” that is playing out in and around my life…in the two invisible spiritual realities running parallel my sojourn here on the earth for the time that I am here in this body of flesh.

I can clearly see the work of God…His Kingdom here on earth…and the enemy of God…the dragon and his cohorts…and this to an increasing level as I mature and move through time.

Tatwo...:)

[WilliamL]

On 1/14/2025 at 5:18 PM, The_Patriot21 said:

any shop large enough to handle a missile of that size ["an old Scud] would have to be heavily modified, making them easy to spot

" Just About Every Nation Has Secret Missile Platforms Hidden in Shipping Containers "

https://sofrep.com/news/just-about-every-nation-has-secret-missile-platforms-hidden-in-shipping-containers/

[Luther]

On 1/13/2025 at 7:48 PM, tatwo said:

You’re living in it…if…you have “eyes to see and ears to hear”…America’s downfall is currently well under way. Let me ask you @GodIsLife…did/do you expect it to happen suddenly in just one day?

Are you thinking that all the sudden the “enemy” broadcasts that he is here and taking over? Remember that he and his kosmos are an “invisible spirit/kingdom” who pulls off “invisible schemes”…which…mere humans and carnal immature institutional Christians cannot see.

In your list of 5 items…the first three are well under way and there are more that you did not list. I am not sure I agree with numbers 4 & 5 really…though there is some plausibility there.

In terms of your comments on Iran…there is something there…however the “nuclear” option you mention is not likely to be the beginning of Americas downfall…as I stated…that is already well under way…perhaps you and others have not realized this yet?

For example if anyone actually looked into the "next administrations cabinet"…it is loaded with members of the “global-capitalist empire”…which is the first "global empire" in the history of empires…it will dominate the entire planet. There has never been anything like it in history…so folks do not see it so forget about knowing how to identify it at this point. I will say this…”Mr. Neuralink” is…at this point a “major player.”

There is so much more to all of this but these forums generally flow along best with arguments over the same old “pet” theologies from hundreds of years ago…like the Lord Yahshua somehow quit talking to His family…His house…His people...His Body...His Bride...back then.

Additionally there are those who have been called to “police” what is said…so that something we don’t already believe...is scrutinized and often can’t be brought forth because we already know everything and so there is nothing new.

I understand that "they" are only trying to protect those who have been graced with life eternal...because...we need that.

Tatwo...:)

You said: "For example if anyone actually looked into the "next administrations cabinet"…it is loaded with members of the “global-capitalist empire”…which is the first "global empire" in the history of empires…it will dominate the entire planet. There has never been anything like it in history…so folks do not see it so forget about knowing how to identify it at this point. I will say this…”Mr. Neuralink” is…at this point a “major player.”

Yes ...I know. They are the new world order. And many of them that are propped in front of us only work for the "family" behind the scenes that usually change their last names and stay relatively quiet in the media. But for as much as they have destroyed and controlled this world, they can NEVER break the bond of a true Christian with His Lord. That's why they will try in the end to get rid of us once and for all, as symbolized by the " two witnesses"

The Noahide laws....right around the corner. Notice several states, South Dakota and Florida passing legislation to make it a crime to criticize them. And then you have TikTok, nothing more than a free speech platform being banned. Yeah, because " they " can't control the content.