A touch of Mercy

[BornAgain490]

Lest we forget: Colombian President Petro is a leftist marxist, and the god of this world is the prince of the power of the air- Satan.  The schemes of the devil are in the ideology of Marx, and marxist left wing foreign governments like Colombia and China would like nothing more than to see the USA fail.  Their (marxist govt's) combine efforts and goal is to flood the USA with fentanyl heroin cocaine and worse to numb a complete generation or two in order to neatly slide into power amother marxist like Obama, except worse, much worse. 

[ayin jade]

I find it interesting  that you praise a leader who favors gay rights, hates israel, sees nothing wrong with the cocaine trade in his country, favors abortion rights, and condemned other countries for illegal immigration into his country.

 

[Patticats]

51 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Yes...yes and of course this is our "liberty" right? Do you realize who those he (DJT) seated between him and his cabinet at his inauguration are? If not consider this @Patticats…

CEO’s

Mark Zuckerberg…Meta Platforms…Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, Messenger, Meta Advertising

Jeff Bezos – Amazon, Washington Post, Audible, IMDb, MGM, Ring, Alexa, One Medical…to name a few of the most influential companies among many.

Sundar Pichai – Alphabet, Google, Gmail, YouTube, Android, DoubleClick, fitbit there are others

Elon Musk – SpaceX, X/twitter, Neuralink, OpenAI, Tesla, Paypal

Shou Zi Chew – TikTok

These are “globalists” Patticats…and they have an estimated personal worth of around $2 (T)rillion dollars…what’s more…look at the the “social/online/digital media” influence they have amassed.  They can and do literally “influence” the minds of billions of people every second of every day.

Consider that Facebook alone has an active user list of over 3 billion users per month…that’s greater than the population of China and India combined. These are the guys that DJT is working with…their visionary agenda is not “America” as you and so many others believe…concerning DJT. You are witnessing the emergence of an empire like no other before it…that is why it is so difficult for people to see it…it is a “Supernatural Global-Capitalist Empire”…Patticats.

Your thanksgiving will be coming to an end all too soon sister. America is no more “Great” with this administration that the one before it…and the one before that and so on. American Citizens are not fully appraised of the scourge has come upon us…most are distracted by the theatrics of the Donald…who is a sort of smoke screen for his friends the globalist billionaires...who are manipulating the mind of the masses...think "pandemic."

Tatwo...:)

Would you rather have Harris/Walz in leadership? I don't even want to think on that. Trump had those people there, yes but that doesn't mean he will do everything they say to him? He also had Franklin Graham. I'll be honest I have other friends that aren't Christians. Do I stop being a friend and try to reach them for Christ? We don't know anyone's heart why they do what they do. 

What we need to do is pray for President Trump. That is what we are instructed to do from the bible. Yes, I am proud he let's Christian's have a say in US unlike Harris who mocked them at her Rally. I don't think we will agree on this topic. We can pray for one another and President Trump and Vice President Vance. 

My problem is Biden did so many things that left me and others speechless. No one ever gave him such a hard time like they do Trump.  I do understand why!! :) TDS

[chirpy]

I would find it easier to feel sympathy for those coming to our country illegally if they displayed loyalty to the country they seek help from. 

Flying non-USA flags and yelling profanities against this country do not give me warm fuzzies.

Maybe if they held USA flags and shouted USA USA USA We want to stay... I might think they like this country rather than just want to occupy it.

[tatwo]

2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

It is also a s/Spiritual perspective as well:
We are Biblically required by God to support our government 

The only time we are permitted to not comply is when said law says to disobey God's Law....

Sure…you believe what most believe enoob…I personally do not trust that interpretation because it effectively misses the mark…generally due to interpretational error leading to unchallenged dogma.  

For example…the idea that all kings, princes, and governments are set up and "ordained by God” only requires we consider a couple of passages, one which was spoken to Hosea by God Almighty himself…emphasis mine

“Israel has rejected the good; The enemy will pursue him. They have set up kings, but not by Me; They have appointed princes, but I did not know it. With their silver and gold they have made idols for themselves, That they might be cut off.” Hosea 8:3-4 NASB

We can read similar in Psalms…

“Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?  (2)  The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,  (3)  "Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.” Psalms 2:1-3 NKJV

I see no Godly ordination in those examples…indeed the opposite. So maybe it would be prudent to go back over Romans chapter 13 chapter and dig into more…or not.

Tatwo...:)

[enoob57]

37 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Sure…you believe what most believe enoob…I personally do not trust that interpretation because it effectively misses the mark…generally due to interpretational error leading to unchallenged dogma.  

For example…the idea that all kings, princes, and governments are set up and "ordained by God” only requires we consider a couple of passages, one which was spoken to Hosea by God Almighty himself…emphasis mine

“Israel has rejected the good; The enemy will pursue him. They have set up kings, but not by Me; They have appointed princes, but I did not know it. With their silver and gold they have made idols for themselves, That they might be cut off.” Hosea 8:3-4 NASB

We can read similar in Psalms…

“Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?  (2)  The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,  (3)  "Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.” Psalms 2:1-3 NKJV

I see no Godly ordination in those examples…indeed the opposite. So maybe it would be prudent to go back over Romans chapter 13 chapter and dig into more…or not.

Tatwo...:)

Daniel clearly teaches us to obey and serve that which is over us... in fact it is quite clear to give honor and respect but when asked to do against what God asks of us we are to answer with honor to that authority and to say that we cannot because of God Who is over all says not to... The evil that might be in rule over us will answer for itself as we ourselves under such evil will answer for what we do... God has already told us our lives here will not be easy. I choose to follow the literal interpretation of God's Word!
 

[teddyv]

4 hours ago, ayin jade said:

I find it interesting  that you praise a leader who favors gay rights, hates israel, sees nothing wrong with the cocaine trade in his country, favors abortion rights, and condemned other countries for illegal immigration into his country.

 

I don't think the US is in position to make moral judgments of other world leaders.

[Vine Abider]

10 hours ago, Sparks said:

... do you mean perp walked like criminals?  Aren't they criminals? 

Thank God for Trump, who is doing something about the criminal invasion. 

It's hard to tell from actions like these of Trump, just what the motive behind the actions is.  (He is our leader, elected by the people, so I have to respect that as being from God.  And I don't disagree with a lot of what Trump is doing and glad someone is taking a real stand against the porous border situation we have - how things are done - in an exaggerated manner - oftentimes is to me the more offensive issue with him.)  Are his actions calculated to get people's attention and to make an example?  Maybe that has to be done.  Trump does understand capturing news cycles, and he also understands various negotiation ploys to get what he wants.  Is it just from a grandstanding ego or a bonafide/effective tactic?

So as to know what is actually in our president's heart . . . certainly above my pay grade.

[Sparks]

8 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Maybe that has to be done.  Trump does understand capturing news cycles, and he also understands various negotiation ploys to get what he wants.  Is it just from a grandstanding ego or a bonafide/effective tactic?

You really don't know what's going on with Trump's actions? 

[tatwo]

2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Daniel clearly teaches us to obey and serve that which is over us

I agree enoob...it's just a matter of defining "who" it is that is "over us."

The subject matter we were discussing was concerning your words...

“We are Biblically required by God to support our government

The only time we are permitted to not comply is when said law says to disobey God's Law...”

I merely pointed out that not all kings, princes, and governments are set up and "ordained by God”...and then gave you a couple of passages that actually said other wise...and then invited you to take another look at your belief.

2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

The evil that might be in rule over us will answer for itself as we ourselves under such evil will answer for what we do... God has already told us our lives here will not be easy. I choose to follow the literal interpretation of God's Word!

That's fine bro...as you wish...however I gave you "literal scripture"...perhaps you dismissed it?

When scripture speaks of obeying and submitting ourselves to those who have the "rule over us," [speaking of members of the Body of Christ] it is not talking about heathen governments, but those "rulers" within the Kingdom of God. Emphasis mine…

Notice carefully Hebrews 13:7 says…“Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct.”

Then we see in the same chapter a few versus later…17 “Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.”

Governments of men cannot govern or watch for anyone's souls, they can only govern outward acts at best, not the inward being. But true spiritual fathers do watch for our souls.

To read Romans 13 any other way is to do so at the expense of truth and is dangerous.

Tatwo...:)