WATCH

[chirpy]

I think one clue will be when many who say they know the Lord, will give up and say...... oh... He has not yet come, I must have been following a false teaching as surly God would have come by now..... and they fall away.  

[The Light]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

I have been around a while and been studying Jesus return for over 40 years. 

Two things are for sure: There is no timeline for the start of the last week in relation to other world events, 

Is there a relation to the start of the week in relation to other scriptures?

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

and prophecy can only be known to come to pass in an absolute sense when that prophecy is coming to pass, or after it has come to pass. That means any and all claims about the start of the week are speculation.

Of course it's speculation. But is it better to sleep and wait until Jesus has returned or to examine the scriptures and watch as has been instructed.

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

We must listen, wait, and trust. That's our task in this proving ground, the battle in this arena.

Regarding end times, we are to watch.

Matthew 24

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Does a watchman keep silent until the event has passed? A watchman does not know if the armies on the other side of the hill are going to storm the castle but making others aware of such would seem wise.

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, The Light said:

Then why are we told to watch so that we can escape all these things that will come to pass and stand before the Son of man?

What are these signs?

It tells us to watch during the 7 year tribulation. If you know the book of Revelation that will give you the answer to both of your questions. There are no signs for the rapture of the Church and it is imminent. What is most important is that a person is ready and is a born again Christian and will go in the rapture of the Church.

 

[The Light]

45 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

It tells us to watch during the 7 year tribulation.

I am unaware of a 7 year tribulation. Do you have scriptural support for that? I know there is a 70th week of Daniel and I know that a covenant with many will be 7 years long, but I am unaware of a scripture that says there is a 7 year tribulation.

45 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

 

If you know the book of Revelation that will give you the answer to both of your questions. There are no signs for the rapture of the Church and it is imminent.

Are there scriptures we should pay attention to? Why are we told to watch is there is nothing to see?

45 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

 

What is most important is that a person is ready and is a born again Christian and will go in the rapture of the Church.

 

Ok. So no watching?

[WilliamL]

On 2/15/2025 at 12:34 PM, The Light said:

We are told to WATCH by the Lord. I have run across a three-part video, that I would imagine that many of you have seen. Scripture after scripture is claimed to indicate that Jesus returns in 2030. ...

So what should we see if the millennial kingdom is set up in 2030?

Big difference between the return of Jesus at the rapture,

and the setting up of His earthly kingdom, which comes later.

Personally, I do at this time think that 2030 or 2031 is a good possibility for the time of the rapture. But (contrary to missmuffet), there are prophecies yet to be fulfilled before that time, which will be evident for those having eyes to see.

[The Light]

34 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Big difference between the return of Jesus at the rapture,

and the setting up of His earthly kingdom, which comes later.

No doubt.

34 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Personally, I do at this time think that 2030 or 2031 is a good possibility for the time of the rapture. But (contrary to missmuffet), there are prophecies yet to be fulfilled before that time, which will be evident for those having eyes to see.

If I might inquire, what prophecies are yet to be fulfilled before the rapture? 

[abcdef]

11 hours ago, chirpy said:

I think one clue will be when many who say they know the Lord, will give up and say...... oh... He has not yet come, I must have been following a false teaching as surly God would have come by now..... and they fall away.  

Yes, in my opinion, that is what will happen to many when Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies. 

It is a result of the 6th trumpet being blown, but for some reason, people don't see what is a sign that is right in front of them.

The answer is that the 7th trumpet will blow after Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days after.

They will send gits to each other and celebrate that Israel is dead and Jerusalem has fallen, exactly like Rev 11 says.

3 1/2 days later the resurrection\rapture (resur/rapt) will happen. Those who are dead will rise from the grave and we will be caught up.

The scroll is sweet, Jerusalem is restored. The scroll is bitter, restored Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

It has been said that, "The bitterest truth is better than the sweetest lie." 

Jesus is coming for the gospel kingdom, but Jerusalem will fall first.

[Diaste]

On 2/16/2025 at 8:00 AM, The Light said:

Is there a relation to the start of the week in relation to other scriptures?

As far as I can tell there is no definitive starting gun in scripture. Will we be able to discern where we are in time in relation to the final 7 years? Yes, I'm convinced we will. 

On 2/16/2025 at 8:00 AM, The Light said:

Of course it's speculation. But is it better to sleep and wait until Jesus has returned or to examine the scriptures and watch as has been instructed.

We are to watch. But there is a difference between watching for what we are told to watch for, and trying to see something that isn't there. 

I think it well established the A of D is the middle of the week. This is a definitive event with a clear timestamp. The start of the week event and what happens before the A of D is murky. 

As far as I can tell no event is labeled as the start point of the final week. So what would we watch for?

 

On 2/16/2025 at 8:00 AM, The Light said:

Regarding end times, we are to watch.

Matthew 24

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Does a watchman keep silent until the event has passed? A watchman does not know if the armies on the other side of the hill are going to storm the castle but making others aware of such would seem wise.

I think the context of the above tells us what to watch for. "Watching" is in the context of the coming of Jesus. 

"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come. 

 44For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect."

Watch and be ready for the coming of the Lord; not, watch and be ready for the start of the last week. 

[The Light]

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

As far as I can tell there is no definitive starting gun in scripture. Will we be able to discern where we are in time in relation to the final 7 years? Yes, I'm convinced we will. 

When the covenant with many is made, that will be the beginning of the final 7 years. However, it might not be until the prince that shall come confirms this covenant that those still here realize what is going on.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

We are to watch. But there is a difference between watching for what we are told to watch for, and trying to see something that isn't there. 

Many aren't watching because they do not realize that the Lord is coming in an hour that they think not. We need to apply all relevant scripture to our watching.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

I think it well established the A of D is the middle of the week. This is a definitive event with a clear timestamp. The start of the week event and what happens before the A of D is murky. 

I agree. And yet before the AOD there are wars and rumors of wars, nation rising against nation, famines, pestilences and earthquakes.

Before the AOD occurs, the Church will already be raptured which will give rise to all the above events. The great tribulation is about the Jews.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

As far as I can tell no event is labeled as the start point of the final week. So what would we watch for?

We are looking for a covenant with many to be made. That may have already happened. I don't know if we know for sure unless the prince that shall come confirms it. 

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

 

I think the context of the above tells us what to watch for. "Watching" is in the context of the coming of Jesus. 

"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come. 

 44For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect."

Watch and be ready for the coming of the Lord; not, watch and be ready for the start of the last week. 

Revelation 3

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Edited February 19 by The Light

[Diaste]

On 2/18/2025 at 9:20 PM, The Light said:

Before the AOD occurs, the Church will already be raptured which will give rise to all the above events. The great tribulation is about the Jews.

Before A of D but after the beginning of the Final Week?