Would someone still be saved if they didnt believe this..?

[FriendofJonathan]

Christianity is a person - Jesus Christ. Believe on Him, which means all of Him: who He is and what He's done and all He's said. Since Jesus spoke about hell, and gave us a glimpse of what hell is like, believe Him.  

[FreeGrace]

17 hours ago, other one said:

But don't forget that James tells us basically if we have faith, we will have works.  Doesn't save you, but is a side effect.

To be technically accurate, James was encouraging believers to demonstrate their faith by their works, per v.18.  There are no texts that teach that works are a "side effect" of faith.  Even Eph 2:10 doesn't say "will" but rather "should/ought".  

If works always followed faith, then there would be no need for all the commands for holy living, and all the encouragement to "keep the faith".  

I gave an example of the evangelist who mentored Billy Graham who left the faith after leading thousands to Christ.  Please don't say he didn't have "real faith".

And Jesus noted that there are people who "believe for a while" but fall away from their faith in times of testing/temptation.  Luke 8:13

[other one]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

To be technically accurate, James was encouraging believers to demonstrate their faith by their works, per v.18.  There are no texts that teach that works are a "side effect" of faith.  Even Eph 2:10 doesn't say "will" but rather "should/ought".  

If works always followed faith, then there would be no need for all the commands for holy living, and all the encouragement to "keep the faith".  

I gave an example of the evangelist who mentored Billy Graham who left the faith after leading thousands to Christ.  Please don't say he didn't have "real faith".

And Jesus noted that there are people who "believe for a while" but fall away from their faith in times of testing/temptation.  Luke 8:13

We only have two basic commands.  Live by them or go to hell.  If you love the Lord, you will do what he has said. (Works)   If you love your neighbor as yourself, you will take care of him in real needs (Works).  If you spread the gospel (Works) as we are told, you are working.   Oddly enough if you are communal living and refuse to work, you don't eat.

You can play games with words and ideas, but if you have no works, you are not following Jesus's teachings and were lying when you declared him as your Lord.    That would qualify you for hellfire.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, other one said:

We only have two basic commands.  Live by them or go to hell.

No we don't.  Nowhere does the Bible teach works for salvation, which your comment says.  The ONLY WAY to have eternal life is through faith in Jesus Christ.  Trusting in His WORK on the cross on y0ur behalf.  There is nothing you can to receive eternal life other than trusting in His work.  Any and everything else is just a form of Pharisee salvation by works.

1 hour ago, other one said:

  If you love the Lord, you will do what he has said. (Works)   If you love your neighbor as yourself, you will take care of him in real needs (Works).  If you spread the gospel (Works) as we are told, you are working.   Oddly enough if you are communal living and refuse to work, you don't eat.

Can you provide any verses that support your claims here:  that doing any of these things will result in receiving eternal life?

1 hour ago, other one said:

You can play games with words and ideas, but if you have no works, you are not following Jesus's teachings and were lying when you declared him as your Lord.    That would qualify you for hellfire.

No, the Bible tells us plainly what qualifies people for hellfire here:

John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

The words "have not believed" in both verses means "have NEVER believed".  That is what qualifies people for condemnation and being cast into the LOF.

And Rev 20:14,15 confirms that.

James 2:14-26 has been rather poorly taught through the centuries.  Even Luther failed to understand James, which he called a "right strawy epistle".

biblehub.com quotes James 2:18 from 43 translations.  Of them, only 13 do not include quote marks.  Of the other 30, 6 translations have the end quote mark at the END of the verse, whereas all the other 26 only have the first part of the what James tells us what the "someone" said.  Here is the verse from the NASB:
But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”

The 26 translations that have the end quote mark after "I have works", make no sense.  It should be obvious that the "someone" SAYS the whole rest of the verse.  iow,  he may well say, "you have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works".

If this "someone" only says "you have faith and I have works", what follows doesn't make sense.  It only makes sense that he was challenging the one 'with faith' to show his faith without works, and he was clearly indicating that he himself HAD faith as well, not only works.

 

[other one]

This is going nowhere.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, other one said:

This is going nowhere.

It was going just great.  I provided interesting information, gathered from biblehub.com and explained why most of the translations put the end quote at the wrong spot, which made no sense.

If you or anyone else who reads this thread can show how it makes sense, rather than where the 6 translations did put it, which does make sense, please proceed.

It only goes nowhere when one quits posting.

[farouk]

On 2/17/2025 at 2:40 PM, Cyoder said:

 I think the core belief in Jesus is the key to salvation

The Person and Work of Christ, as revealed in Scripture is at the heart of the Gospel, which works itself out by way of learning by faith not to trust oneself but Him.

[farouk]

On 3/18/2025 at 1:46 PM, FreeGrace said:

It only goes nowhere when one quits posting.

One way of looking at it...........

[FreeGrace]

16 hours ago, farouk said:

 

FreeGrace said:

It only goes nowhere when one quits posting.

One way of looking at it...........

Seems to be all I see.  When those with opposing ideas about what the Bible teaches are shown verses that plainly refute their claims, they double down on their claims, and whatever verses they quote/cite don't even say what they say.

After pointing that out to them numerous times, they either just quit posting or get banned for getting all personal and such.  

Consider 2 Thess 2:3 - Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

The Greek word for 'rebellion' is the word that is transliterated as "apostasy".  Makes me wonder if this prophecy refers to now, where so many among evangelicals do not agree with each other and don't see their error when shown verses that plainly refute their claims.

In about 20 years of participating on Christian forums, I cannot recall a single p0ster who actually realized their error and admitted it on the forum.   Much less thanking the poster who gave them the verse that refuted their error.

So, one doesn't have to ask, "what is this world coming to?"  It seems quite clear that we are in the very end of the "last days".

Buckle up, folks.  Gonna be a rough ride.

[Wayne222]

On 2/17/2025 at 11:46 AM, Luther said:

I'm one of those Christians that does not believe in the traditional view of " hell", not out of emotion, but out of an intense scripture study. I believe that God is merciful to the unsaved as well. And also the Bible teaches that everything is made "new" , and that " the former things are passed away". That includes sin and it's penalty, no longer remembered. 

Well it's says all not found in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire which is the second death. Meaning they burn up and die a second time. Then they will be wondering spirits 2 Jude.