The 'sin of Adam' by which we are condemned is 'Unbelief.'

[farouk]

Hebrews 11's repeated phrase is: 'By faith...'

Its opposite is indeed unbelief.

[other one]

21 minutes ago, PATrobas said:

OK, this is just me speaking here but follow me through. I believe that Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed because they were covered with the shekina glory of God and their whole body glowed, just as Moses face did after being in the presence of God. This "glow" was the Righteousness of God. When they no longer believed God, they lost the righteousness/glory of God and "knew" they were naked. Thus, being "uncovered" they were 'afraid' and covered themselves with fig leaves and hid from God. God had to seek after them (they didn't seek Him) and He shed innocent blood to 'cover' them with a temporary foreshadow of the Righteousness of Christ.

There are consequences to sins. Loss of fellowship with God is the first.

I just can't go there.   Sounds like Gnostic thinking

[PATrobas]

4 hours ago, other one said:

They were not leading a sinless life, they just didn't understand it until they ate of the fruit..

Being naked before the fall was not a sin. Why would you think that? But if so, what was the evidence of Adam's unbelief if not the disobeying of the command not to eat? 

[Cntrysner]

Sin is to disobey God and without law there is no sin. Adam believed God and was not deceived thus sin passed through Adam.

[Anne2]

26 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

Sin is to disobey God and without law there is no sin. Adam believed God and was not deceived thus sin passed through Adam.

Scripture says sin was in the world, but it was not imputed. The imputation of sin began with the law. 

Rom 5:13  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

We die in Adam, even though we may not have sin like Adam.

14  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
 

This has a connection to this IMO. The common death/visitation of all men vs provoking the Lord...

Num 16:28  And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
29  If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me. {the common … : Heb. as every man dieth }
30  But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.

Men began to call upon the Lord:

Ge 4:26  And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

We see that God said:

Gen 6:3  And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
 

I think what we might see here is God being called upon for Justice as the Judge of all the Earth

Abraham concerning going to Sodom:

Ge 18:25  That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
 

God is going to Sodom to see IF the great (many) cry he heard was true.

Who was making this great cry? Not enough were left in the city?

I believe it was this...

Ge 4:10  And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Abel yet spoke after death

Heb 11:4   By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Heb 12:24  And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 

Edited February 22 by Anne2

[PATrobas]

2 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Sin is to disobey God and without law there is no sin. Adam believed God and was not deceived thus sin passed through Adam.

So are you saying that he believed what God said but chose not to obey? If so, it reminds me of Heb. 3:7 "Today, if you hear His voice, harden not your heart."

Also sounds like free will.

[Anne2]

36 minutes ago, PATrobas said:

So are you saying that he believed what God said but chose not to obey? If so, it reminds me of Heb. 3:7 "Today, if you hear His voice, harden not your heart."

Also sounds like free will.

26  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 9:9  Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
 

[Cntrysner]

Adam was a type of Christ, I believe Adam took Eve’s sin upon himself not wanting to be separated and deny His own body (Eve). God said, it is good for man to not be alone and the two shall become one flesh.
 

[Your closest friendnt]

13 hours ago, Anne2 said:

Scripture says sin was in the world, but it was not imputed. The imputation of sin began with the law. 

Rom 5:13  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

We die in Adam, even though we may not have sin like Adam.

14  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
 

This has a connection to this IMO. The common death/visitation of all men vs provoking the Lord...

Num 16:28  And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
29  If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me. {the common … : Heb. as every man dieth }
30  But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.

Men began to call upon the Lord:

Ge 4:26  And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

We see that God said:

Gen 6:3  And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
 

I think what we might see here is God being called upon for Justice as the Judge of all the Earth

Abraham concerning going to Sodom:

Ge 18:25  That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
 

God is going to Sodom to see IF the great (many) cry he heard was true.

Who was making this great cry? Not enough were left in the city?

I believe it was this...

Ge 4:10  And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Abel yet spoke after death

Heb 11:4   By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Heb 12:24  And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 

One relevant example is when Moses came down from the mountain with the Tablets "shall not worship any other Gods" and on seeing the Israelites worshiping the Idol Moses broke the Tablets with the command not to worship other Gods to stay the Judgement upon the Israelites. 

This was only for the Israelites and not the other Nations of the world.  

The worship of the Idols was not counted as a sin that carried the punishment written in the Law against the Idol worshiper but only after the law was given. 

Before they were in the Covenant of Cirumcision what came with that which I do not want to talk about it.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

9 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Adam was a type of Christ, I believe Adam took Eve’s sin upon himself not wanting to be separated and deny His own body (Eve). God said, it is good for man to not be alone and the two shall become one flesh.
 

 

9 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Adam was a type of Christ, I believe Adam took Eve’s sin upon himself not wanting to be separated and deny His own body (Eve). God said, it is good for man to not be alone and the two shall become one flesh.
 

Eve giving the fruit to Adam she knew that this was the only way to be together. And Adam had to be with her and this is what God hoped it will happened. 

For Eve to offer the Fruit to him it shows that Adam was perplex not wanting to disobeyed God and not wanting to be separated from Eve or wanted to be with Eve as it meant to be. 

Adam did not loose his righteousness but only his life. To physically die it meant that at death he would be seperated from God. 

We see that God continues to give them his fellowship to them while they were in his presence.

They were in His presence. Think what it means to be in his presence and it happened in such a way without any preparation. 

God accepted them as Righteous people. Not as sinners.