The 'sin of Adam' by which we are condemned is 'Unbelief.'

[Anne2]

9 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

One relevant example is when Moses came down from the mountain with the Tablets "shall not worship any other Gods" and on seeing the Israelites worshiping the Idol Moses broke the Tablets with the command not to worship other Gods to stay the Judgement upon the Israelites. 

This was only for the Israelites and not the other Nations of the world.  

The worship of the Idols was not counted as a sin that carried the punishment written in the Law against the Idol worshiper but only after the law was given. 

Before they were in the Covenant of Cirumcision what came with that which I do not want to talk about it.

 

God brought Israel out of Egypt for judgement on the nations as well. 

Lev 18:27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

Num 7:1  When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2  And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
 

De 9:4  Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.

****Judgement on nations and people foretold to Abraham.

Ge 15:14  And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
 

Gen 15:16  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
 

Edited February 23 by Anne2

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

God brought Israel out of Egypt for judgement on the nations as well. 

Lev 18:27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

Num 7:1  When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2  And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
 

De 9:4  Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.

****Judgement on nations and people foretold to Abraham.

Ge 15:14  And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
 

Gen 15:16  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
 

It was the Gods of Egypt versus the Lord God Almighty. 

This was important for the Israelites to get to know their God. And not to desire the God's of their neighbors. 

But they still did and it will be a good study to look into that and why the Israelites were going going after the Gods of their neighbors. 

The Judgment began with the Israelites. 

Not when they were in Egypt but when they were given the Holy land of God as their inheritance. 

What we read about those Nations it was said about them who lived in the Holy land of God and not about the Nations of the world. 

About Egypt it was said because the did not want to let them go as the Lord asked Pharaoh to do. 

The people did not have an army to fight for their exit from Egypt. This was between the Lord and Pharaoh. The Lord said to Pharaoh let my people go.

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

It was the Gods of Egypt versus the Lord God Almighty. 

This was important for the Israelites to get to know their God. And not to desire the God's of their neighbors. 

But they still did and it will be a good study to look into that and why the Israelites were going going after the Gods of their neighbors. 

The Judgment began with the Israelites. 

Not when they were in Egypt but when they were given the Holy land of God as their inheritance. 

What we read about those Nations it was said about them who lived in the Holy land of God and not about the Nations of the world. 

About Egypt it was said because the did not want to let them go as the Lord asked Pharaoh to do. 

The people did not have an army to fight for their exit from Egypt. This was between the Lord and Pharaoh. The Lord said to Pharaoh let my people go.

****It was the for ordained Judgement of God on the nations as well.  As... The judge of ALL THE EARTH....

Ge 18:25  That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

**** The God of heaven And God of the earth....

Ge 24:3  And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

**** The God of the WHOLE EARTH

Isa 54:5  For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

**** There is NONE ELSE

De 4:39  Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

1Ki 8:60  That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

Rom 3:29  Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30  Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
 

Edited February 23 by Anne2

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, Anne2 said:

****It was the for ordained Judgement of God on the nations as well.  As... The judge of ALL THE EARTH....

Ge 18:25  That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

**** The God of heaven And God of the earth....

Ge 24:3  And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

**** The God of the WHOLE EARTH

Isa 54:5  For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

**** There is NONE ELSE

De 4:39  Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

1Ki 8:60  That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

Rom 3:29  Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30  Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
 

Isaiah 54:5  in the first part he describes what was that time when he lived about eight hundred years before Jesus was born and died on the Cross. And he spoken that to the Israelites and which was truth at that time and it had been truth since the Sinai Covenant. And it was said till the Sinai Covenant with the Law and the Priesthood and the Temple were in place for the forgiveness of the sins of the Israelites and for their sanctification. 

And not for all of them but only for those only who participate in their religious celebrations according to their eligibility in the book of Leviticus. 

Which became just history at the time Jesus Christ died on the Cross and not the truth there after.

And in the last centence is the prophetic about something that it was not yet but it will be some day.

the prophet said that some day shall he be called. It had not happened yet but it will happen some day. 

Isa 54:5  For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

 

Edited February 23 by Your closest friendnt

[Anne2]

Ro 5:13  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Ro 3:19  Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Paul said all the things the Law said including the Atonement for the forgiveness of sins it was good for the Israelites only as long as the Law was in force.

I never said otherwise.

I don't know what you are arguing against.

[Your closest friendnt]

9 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I never said otherwise.

I don't know what you are arguing against.

A lot of people disagree and they quote Paul. It seems that I show agreement and not a disagreement. 

[kwikphilly]

On 2/22/2025 at 10:13 AM, Cntrysner said:

Sin is to disobey God and without law there is no sin. Adam believed God and was not deceived thus sin passed through Adam.

Amen

It's about disobedience- a willful,intentional choice to disobey which is serving another,isn't it?

The Law came first,until they ae of the tree of knowledge between good & evil there was but one thing God Commanded of them-" Don't eat of that tree"- they didn't even know a thing about nakedness because they knew nothing of evil - Perfect Paradise in Relationship with God the Father

Temptation came along,twisting God's very Word and Adam chose to disobey.....but in eating the fruit his eyes were opened and he saw he was naked

Man cannot serve another god- Disobedience was Adam's sin

[other one]

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

Amen

It's about disobedience- a willful,intentional choice to disobey which is serving another,isn't it?

The Law came first,until they ae of the tree of knowledge between good & evil there was but one thing God Commanded of them-" Don't eat of that tree"- they didn't even know a thing about nakedness because they knew nothing of evil - Perfect Paradise in Relationship with God the Father

Temptation came along,twisting God's very Word and Adam chose to disobey.....but in eating the fruit his eyes were opened and he saw he was naked

Man cannot serve another god- Disobedience was Adam's sin

A lot of bad things have happened throughout history when good men listened to their wives.    But then again, what would have happened if they had not eaten of the tree.   With my imagination, that's a rabbit hole one can get lost in with no exit.

[kwikphilly]

20 minutes ago, other one said:

A lot of bad things have happened throughout history when good men listened to their wives.    But then again, what would have happened if they had not eaten of the tree.   With my imagination, that's a rabbit hole one can get lost in with no exit.

I do know what you mean..... we'd just be making up fairy tales,lol