Yes, Jesus meant TODAY in his message to the thief on the cross

[Locust]

9 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

I don't think that is correct. They believe he was killed on a torcher stake, one nail through both hands, but John 20:25 seems to dis prove that.

I want to disagree with the one nail through both hand . does it say the holes the nails made . that would be one nail in each hand 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, Locust said:

a cross would likely be far more  torturous as it would last for days not a few hours, .jesus had to be dead in hours . = pole no cross bar

Jesus was tortured before he was crucified and he received the lasses if you know that. 

And he was exausted when he was bail to the Cross and the Roman Coroner verified his death by spearhead him on his side and his blood had began to change to blood and water. You can see how many rumors to cause doubts. Why you have a list of all the rumors that cause doubts. 

Jesus was the Lamb of God and he had to die. The Atonements were made from the blood of the dead animal and never before. 

Why are you questioning the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross? Why? 

 

[Locust]

41 minutes ago, farouk said:

The JWs claim that the Lord Jesus was impaled, not crucified. The word cross does definitely occur in Philippians 2.

A interesting thing about what different Bible say ,different churches tend to writhe it to their own satisfaction . 

[farouk]

Just now, Locust said:

A interesting thing about what different Bible say ,different churches tend to writhe it to their own satisfaction . 

The JW New World is not properly a translation.

[Locust]

12 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus was tortured before he was crucified and he received the lasses if you know that. 

I found myself wondering if he was beetin more than the other two all because he would not cry out from the pain of the lasses . 

[Locust]

5 minutes ago, farouk said:

The JW New World is not properly a translation.

how many nails does that Bible say were used

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Locust said:

I found myself wondering if he was beetin more than the other two all because he would not cry out from the pain of the lasses . 

I believe this word here.

“Just as many were appalled at you, My people, So His appearance was marred beyond that of a man, And His form beyond the sons of mankind.”

(Isaiah 52:14 )

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

did I use the word  crucified ?

What would that change?

[WilliamL]

On 3/27/2025 at 2:45 PM, Michael37 said:

The belief that Jesus preached to the dead before His resurrection is not based on sound doctrine.

On the contrary, it is directly stated by Scripture:

1 Peter 4:6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Before Jesus made propitiation for mankind's sins by His death on Passover, all souls descended to Sheol. But at that time, Sheol was compartmented, with the righteous being separated from the unrighteous. Luke 16:22-23 Paradise/Abraham's bosom was in Sheol; therefore, the repentant thief descended there with Jesus.

Ephesians 4:9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?

Acts 2:31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption."

After Jesus ascended to heaven following His resurrection, thereby offering His blood in the heavenly Temple (Hebrews 9), Sheol was then emptied of the righteous, and the place of Paradise was transferred to heaven. That is why Paul

2 Cor 12:4 was caught up into Paradise...

[DeighAnn]

And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

How would that read with something other than a cross?



4716 staurós – the crosspiece of a Roman cross; the cross-beam (Latin, patibulum) placed at the top of the vertical member to form a capital "T." "This transverse beam was the one carried by the criminal" Matthew 10:38 from biblehub