Pretribulation rapture or Posttribulation rapture?

[LightningEast2West]

People, please. Is it pretribulation or posttribulation rapture?

I currently believe its posttribulation, but if I'm wrong please let me know with the back-up of Scripture.

Thanks

[LightningEast2West]

OK, never mind. I see this subject is pinned.

[Leonard]

Neither.

[Avodah]

I realize there is a lot of controversy about pre, mid, or post trib rapture, but really...does it matter, as long as we are ready?

[Anne]

If you are in doubt, prepare yourself for the worst case scenario.

Anne

[Floatingaxe]

People, please. Is it pretribulation or posttribulation rapture?

I currently believe its posttribulation, but if I'm wrong please let me know with the back-up of Scripture.

Thanks

I believe the ''day of the Lord'' will happen almost at the end of the 7 year tribulation, then wrath will come...Just as in the days of Sodom and Noah, Gods elect are moved out of harms way, then immediate destruction comes.

And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

Likewise also as it happened in the days of Lot; they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building; but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

In the same way it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

In that day, he who shall be on the housetop, and his goods in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise he who is in the field, let him not turn back for the things left behind. Remember Lot's wife.

(Luk 17:26-32 EMTV)

I believe Jesus will return and very shortly wrath will be poured out because in both of those cases the elect were removed and immediately destruction came.

The passage shows us that it will be the same when Christ returns, leaving me to believe that we will be here right up until just before God pours out His wrath.

The Day of the Lord is when He returns bodily to earth to reign, when He comes with the Trumpet call with the Church, His already-won Bride! That is not the Rapture event. The Rapture is not the return of Christ. The Rapture event is the removal of the Church to make way for the wrath to come.

[Akabu]

My belief in the Pre-Trib rapture is founded on several references in the bible. Of those, I find these three to be the most compelling.

1) Rev 3:10 "Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth."

If we are meant to go through half or all of the tribulation why would Jesus himself say the HE will keep us from the hour of testing?

2) 1st Thess. 1:10 "And to wait for His Son from Heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come."

Admittedly, this is a controversal passage. Some contend that it means that we are protected by Jesus from those who would harm or defame us to gain for themselves. However, I am of the opinion that throughout the Bible it is referenced to God to protect us from the attacks of satan and those who do his bidding ( Human and Fallen Angle ), but when it specifically says Jesus will protect us, and especially to DELIVER us, it is a reference to delivery from the tribulation.

3) 1st Thess 5:9 " For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ".

I would also like to point out Revelation 19:2

" Because His judgments are True and Righteous; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and He has avenged the blood of his bond-servants on her."

If God's judgments are "True and Righteous" how can God place the same judgments on those who follow Christ and accept His salvation, that he places on those who reject him. To do so would be neither True or Righteous.

On a final thought. Why would Jesus say I come to you as a thief in the night, and that Nobody knows the Day or the Hour when he will come? Since we can pinpoint the start of the Tribulation to the signing of the 7 year treaty with Isreal, we can therefore point out the mid-point of the tribulation as well as the end of the 7 years. With either of the mid or post trib theories we WILL know the day, if not the very hour. The ONLY way that mankind CANNOT know the day or hour is if the rapture is before the tribulation.

[Floatingaxe]

It's up for grabs as to one's interpretation, but when I read the scriptures, I am convinced that there is a Pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church.

Either way, we all will know in the end!

[other one]

My personal take on the subject is that we should define what the tribulation is. Some think it is the persecution that the anti-christ does believers, and some think it is the seals and vials and trumpets...... some think they are mixed and the same.......

Just a good starting place.

[Akabu]

The Tribulation is the 7 year period that takes place starting with the signing of the "Peace Treaty" with Isreal. This "treaty" will allow Isreal to rebuild the temple and start sacrifices to God again. This is the treaty that will be broken after 3 and 1/2 years, at which time the anti-christ will sit in the temple and declare himself as god thus putting an end to sacrifices.

The trib will include the time period of the 21 judgments from God: 7 Seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials or bowls.

The Tribulation does not start with the rapture. There is a time period between the rapture and the start of the tribulation, much like the short span of time between the final battle of armeggon ( actually Har Meggido or Mount Meggido) and the 1000 year reign of Christ.

Mind You: This is based on my Pre-Trib belief, my personal study of the Bible ( I dont think that my 1 year of actual hard study qualifies me as an expert, but I do listen to the experts ) and as with all things to everybody, my PERSONAL beliefs.

God's grace to all!