suicide

[ElijahSK]

I commit suicide everday.

I let Adam take his rightful place on the cross,

We die daily

Tho this is not the answer you were looking for.

But there are alot of things that are not alright for Christians; suicidal thoughts are a biproduct of what we take in. So really what is on the other side of those thoughts. What is our brother or our sister eating daily. What are they not guarding thier hearts against. Gotta get it at the root

Just to support what the Bible says. There is no scriptual basis for dying daily. The verse often taken out of context to prove this point is most obviously talking about physical deaths. Paul was stoned, received 40-1 lashes some 6 or 8 times, suffered shipwreck 3 times, and the list goes on. Paul in the verse people quote to say I die daily was talking about being physically persecuted on a daily basis.

And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die.

No need to die daily when you died once for all. I won't hijack the topic anymore. Although to the topic I would say don't destroy the temple of God that is your body. God made us for so much more than suicide. If you believe all things work together for the good for you (a christian) it becomes hard to imagine it coming to that.

Edited March 17, 2006 by ElijahSK

[DaniJ87]

I commit suicide everday.

I let Adam take his rightful place on the cross,

We die daily

Tho this is not the answer you were looking for.

But there are alot of things that are not alright for Christians; suicidal thoughts are a biproduct of what we take in. So really what is on the other side of those thoughts. What is our brother or our sister eating daily. What are they not guarding thier hearts against. Gotta get it at the root

Just to support what the Bible says. There is no scriptual basis for dying daily. The verse often taken out of context to prove this point is most obviously talking about physical deaths. Paul was stoned, received 40-1 lashes some 6 or 8 times, suffered shipwreck 3 times, and the list goes on. Paul in the verse people quote to say I die daily was talking about being physically persecuted on a daily basis.

And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die.

No need to die daily when you died once for all. I won't hijack the topic anymore. Although to the topic I would say don't destroy the temple of God that is your body. God made us for so much more than suicide. If you believe all things work together for the good for you (a christian) it becomes hard to imagine it coming to that.

The verses about dying daily are about dying to your selfish and human desires. They go right along with "Deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me."...

They can also refer to withstanding tribulation and persecution. There is nothing unbiblical about this. The scriptural basis IS these verses- but it is not referring to physical death- death of selfishness- death of sinful wishes, and life of doing as Christ desires.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Nebula and All,

Looks like you got a good handle on this subject. Keep up the good work!

Good to see you all again.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[nebula]

Ruck - don't become a counselor. . . .

Think "Eliphaz."

[mike2]

I commit suicide everday.

I let Adam take his rightful place on the cross,

We die daily

Tho this is not the answer you were looking for.

But there are alot of things that are not alright for Christians; suicidal thoughts are a biproduct of what we take in. So really what is on the other side of those thoughts. What is our brother or our sister eating daily. What are they not guarding thier hearts against. Gotta get it at the root

Just to support what the Bible says. There is no scriptual basis for dying daily. The verse often taken out of context to prove this point is most obviously talking about physical deaths. Paul was stoned, received 40-1 lashes some 6 or 8 times, suffered shipwreck 3 times, and the list goes on. Paul in the verse people quote to say I die daily was talking about being physically persecuted on a daily basis.

And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die.

No need to die daily when you died once for all. I won't hijack the topic anymore. Although to the topic I would say don't destroy the temple of God that is your body. God made us for so much more than suicide. If you believe all things work together for the good for you (a christian) it becomes hard to imagine it coming to that.

The verses about dying daily are about dying to your selfish and human desires. They go right along with "Deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me."...

They can also refer to withstanding tribulation and persecution. There is nothing unbiblical about this. The scriptural basis IS these verses- but it is not referring to physical death- death of selfishness- death of sinful wishes, and life of doing as Christ desires.

These postings have given me a new insight

I dont think anyone spends their whole life tip toeing through the tulips and smelling the roses, even doing that your bound to step in some fertilizer or prick yourself on a thorn.

Having said that I think everyone at sometime or another suffers through depresion, and most often the cause of that deppresion is the worries of this world and how we arent seeing our life in the perfect way we think it should be.

If we see it as Danij87 reminds us as dieing to this world we can actually look at these happenings as a blessing, although at the time they definetly don't seem that way.

Man, if I think of all those times as "blessings" in my life, I might handle depression better

This thread has brought me to this conclusion, and has reinforced my belief that even in difficult times the Lord is somehow working in my life, not causing those things to happen, but being there for me in places such as this, or church, or friends, or His creation.....

But now that you got me thinking , those really bad times are when it seems like, me in THIS WORLD is no good......its because of the value I put on this world, and not attaining those values

Interesting

[darkest_red]

Buck - first of all

You bring up some good points. We Christians unfortunately have misconstrued ideas about mental disorders, like being a Christian makes you immune to them or something. so, I can understand why the sceptical question which started this thread.

I'm a Christian, I'm so happy!

I've got the joy, joy, joy, joy down in my heart...

And if you don't have this "joy" then there's something wrong with your spirituality.

You are correct that suicide is a selfish act. Unfortunately, someone lost in such heavy depression - what psychologists have called a major depressive episode - has rationalized that everyone else is better off without him/her. I know this because I've been through this several times. Many times the only thing that kept me from surrendering was not being able to see the Lord not being hurt by my committing such an act.

I didn't see killing myself as keeping me from Heaven. What I saw was Jesus meeting me, crying, saying, "Why did you have to do that?"

I don't know what your brother was dealing with or how deep his realtion with the Lord was or not, so I couldn't compare him to me to try to help you understand the cry of his heart that led him to that place. All I can do is try to help you understand what it's like to be under the bondage of a major depressive episode. Truly, it is a bondage, an oppression. Imagine being in a pea-soup fog, it's 35 degree F and a slight drizzle, an you don't have a coat on - and as far as you can tell it will never end. Imagine living this way day in and day out. No hope in sight.

Death becomes the only out.

That's why people surrender to it, why they take death upon themselves and embrace it that way.

They just want to end the pain.

Whether or not someone could have done anything to prevent him from taking his life is hard to say. The bottom line is his choice.

I was fortunate to have been raised under the belief in the spiritual gifts being applicable for today, because my salvation from MDE was people praying and prophesying over me and directly rebuking the darkness/evil spirits oppresing me. Without that, I don't think I would have made it, either.

I guess what I'm trying to convey is that you can't blame yourself for his choice. And I know you have a need to know "why," there really is no rational explanation, only an emotional one - a desparing hopelessness - and often deep anger that has no where to go but inward on oneself. (I know because I've been having to learn how to re-direct my anger, and it's been rough as all get out.)

The best you can do is to just cling to Jesus through the pain. When you think on your brother, picture yourself falling on Jesus with your pain and just cry on His shoulder. That really is the only way you will come to find and know peace through this situation - finding it in His arms.

Blessings!

I totally agree. My brother tried to commit suicide a few years ago. He walked in front of a HGV in the early hours of the morning. Luckily for us (and him), the lorry driver was paying attention and managed to swerve and avoid him.

My brother was (and still is) a Christian.

Mental illnesses can affect anyone, Christian or not. And yes, suicide is an unbelievably selfish act but someone committing suicide isn't going to be thinking about that at the time. That and the pain it will cause would be the last things on their mind. Suicide is for them just an escape and the only means of escape they can see.

[Openly Curious]

If only you knew what dying daily was. What do you think you do when you take up the cross? When u take up the cross u die daily. The cross is applied daily. Are u willing to allow what ever part of you/adam that is alive to die. This is a truth. Jesus cant reign in any part of us that is still alive with Adam. You may not think that you dont need to die daily, but God will show you other wise. Yes being cruicified with Christ is a reality, but HOW MUCH OF THE OLD MAN(You/Adam) IS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM? And how much of Christ is being lived out thru you? Die daily to Adam brother.

Just to support what the Bible says. There is no scriptual basis for dying daily.

The verse often taken out of context to prove this point is most obviously talking about physical deaths.

Paul in the verse people quote to say I die daily was talking about being physically persecuted on a daily basis

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not to discredit u are saying but please show me where you come to these conclusions.

Hello ruck1b,

One question probably a favorite of yours. How does this conversation edify the body? Seems controversial to me you know, like you've been asking in other threads.

OC

Edited March 18, 2006 by Openly Curious

[shanbopop]

Sampson who took his own life when he pushed down the pillars..i wonder..is he in Heaven?

[aimee99]

I got asked this question at a course we run at the church by a supposed non-believer

Is it ok for someone to be suicidal if they are a christian?

what do people think?

it is human to feel suicidal. Pain and wanting an escape when it feels like God is not listening is completely normal. Depression is normal.It happens. Suicidal thoughts can be unavoidable in the right situation like the death of a loved one, or loss of a job, or divorce.....It is faith (the power to keep praying and trusting God to come through) that keeps people from acting upon these feelings. Do You ask if feeling sad and lonely or hurt is wrong? It is just an exagerated state of sadness. Some people do not find the right path and cannot find the right help. Desperation leads to desperate thoughts. I have obviously had suicidal thoughts during the harder times in life. I Thank God for giving me his love and a reason to live.

[>> Hannah <<]

thank you aimee